myata Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: What I've said before... this is the result of hiring rich people's kids into cushy hospital administrator positions. Nice, life-long jobs starting at $100k/ year for junior position. But wouldn't that describe the idea and a blueprint of the country's public service in general? And if it does, even approximately, where's the news? Why would it try doing anything differently? Why anyone would, under an eternal shower (of taxpayer's $$$) that never ceases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, myata said: where's the news? Why would it try doing anything differently? How can it when the news, like you, is not in-camera where the action is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 More gaslighting from the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 We can be past the point of no return with a runaway bureaucracy. It cannot be reformed, the costs will increase possibly/likely at accelerating rate, and the results, return to the society, minimal to none. Not a great confluence. And there are no political or social means and instruments to deal with this problem. Every good run comes to an end, some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, myata said: We can be past the point of no return with a runaway bureaucracy. It cannot be reformed, the costs will increase possibly/likely at accelerating rate, and the results, return to the society, minimal to none. Not a great confluence. And there are no political or social means and instruments to deal with this problem. Every good run comes to an end, some time. Take a closer look at the possibilities from outlawing in-camera lobbying of public officials on public business before hanging yourself in despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 1/22/2022 at 8:37 AM, myata said: Where is this going? What is the exit plan? In the third year, can we know "out of the abundance of caution and for as long as necessary"? What kind of a sane society does not think about where it's heading? Something has changed about us and in us, and we didn't care to notice. Can it be reversed, would you know? Covid 19 has changed us all for the worse. We are starting to see the results of what the globalist big pharma elite are doing to us. They are turning the world inside out and upside down. this is all just one big pharma globalist conspiracy and hoax but yet many will laugh at the thought that this is part of a major world wide conspiracy. In order to now try and get our lives back to the old normal days is that we must start to get rid of this medical covid tyranny medical madness or else things will only get worse. Our politicians will see and make sure that things get worse. The UK and Ireland have now got rid of all of their covid vaccine mandates. The people are free to once again be able to go into some business establishment without having to wear a clown mask, and there will be no more need to have to show a vaccine passport to be able to go eat in a restaurant. Only we the peasants can end this covid tyranny. Well? Refuse the boost. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, myata said: And that is, sadly, not even a remote surprise. Without checks and controls, a bureaucracy running free and wild will be spending all, as much as it can get hands on, on itself producing as little in real results as it can possibly get away with. Just watch it. Winge, winge. Americans spend twice as much per capita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) I’m not sure the Roman provinces (former British colonies) will be afforded the same rights as the Roman citizens (Brits) and the US states that are resisting mandates and restrictions. Canada is probably a test case for the Global Reset. Our federal government defers to the PHAC, which Dr. Tam has clearly stated is directed by the WHO. Post national Canada is run by the WHO, which is heavily influenced by China. Canada is transforming democracy into digital dictatorship. Basically Trudeau, Duclos, and Dr. Tam are the de facto triumvirate that tells Canadians what criteria will be added to their digital citizenship (vaccine passport) and how much freedom of movement, business activity, and congregation will be permitted to the vaccinated at any given time. If you want to know Canada’s future under the current government structure, listen to the WHO and President Xi. Biden is asleep at the wheel, so half the US is already following the same script as Canada. There are only different political parties in Canada by name right now. Canada’s sovereignty is in serious danger. The Brits finally caught on. The Queen should dissolve our Parliament. Edited January 23, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 5 hours ago, OftenWrong said: As my wife points out, well at least in jail they get their meals, free health care gym and internet. Even a university education... Which begs the question why are not all homeless committing the types of crimes that will put them behind bars for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, cougar said: Which begs the question why are not all homeless committing the types of crimes that will put them behind bars for a long time. We don't put people behind bars for a long time. We don't like to put them behind bars at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, Aristides said: We don't put people behind bars for a long time. We don't like to put them behind bars at all. 25 years for murder, without parole. Not that I want to see all homeless become killers, but in some cases prison will improve their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 23, 2022 Report Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Winge, winge. Americans spend twice as much per capita. Or put it this way, you spend half as much, still a lot (see posts in this topic), still pay absurd salaries to CEO, PHO and such no questions asked and will spend the rest of your age in lockdowns, masks, and possibly and realistically, mandatory ongoing mRNA-boosting no matter and regardless of what the reality is. Sounds like a great deal, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, myata said: Or put it this way, you spend half as much, still a lot (see posts in this topic), still pay absurd salaries to CEO, PHO and such no questions asked and will spend the rest of your age in lockdowns, masks, and possibly and realistically, mandatory ongoing mRNA-boosting no matter and regardless of what the reality is. Sounds like a great deal, yes? Still on that same mantra I see. Like CEO's and PHO's work for nothing in other jurisdictions. They may be well paid but their salaries are a minuscule fraction of the total we spend on health care. Even if they each make a million a year, combined they would make 1/11,000th of the total health care budget in BC. Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, cougar said: 25 years for murder, without parole. Not that I want to see all homeless become killers, but in some cases prison will improve their lives. That's the only time you will see a maximum sentence in Canada and only because it is the only sentence available. Most murder charges are second degree because the burden of proof is so high with first degree. The sentence is still life but judges have a lot of flexibility when it comes to parole eligibility. Maximum sentences are a joke in Canada, they never happen except for murder. Apparently there is no way you can commit any crime in such a heinous manner that it warrants the maximum sentence for that crime. Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 54 minutes ago, Aristides said: Like CEO's and PHO's work for nothing in other jurisdictions. Have you forgot or just so? Some of us are paid for the work done, the result. And others, as it seems, for permanently, decades on "crumbling", "collapsing", "severely underesourced", "undestuffed", "overloaded" etc you name it, result. Is there a connection between the pay and the result, should there be, what do you think? Why don't we imagine a world where there isn't any? Oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, myata said: Have you forgot or just so? Some of us are paid for the work done, the result. And others, as it seems, for permanently, decades on "crumbling", "collapsing", "severely underesourced", "undestuffed", "overloaded" etc you name it, result. Is there a connection between the pay and the result, should there be, what do you think? Why don't we imagine a world where there isn't any? Oh wait... Bla, Bla, Bla. So this is really a matter of ideology with you, not reality. I get it, anyone who makes more than you is over paid, even if you have no clue what their actual job entails and are completely unqualified to do it. Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, myata said: Have you forgot or just so? Some of us are paid for the work done, the result. And others, as it seems, for permanently, decades on "crumbling", "collapsing", "severely underesourced", "undestuffed", "overloaded" etc you name it, result. Is there a connection between the pay and the result, should there be, what do you think? Why don't we imagine a world where there isn't any? Oh wait... How do you think their salaries compare to private sector CEO"s and COO's of companies with 22 billion dollar operating budgets? Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: How do you think their salaries compare to private sector CEO"s Yeah thought so. The default solution, throw at it more buck and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Aristides said: How do you think their salaries compare to private sector CEO"s and COO's of companies with 22 billion dollar operating budgets? What happens to them in those companies when they mess up? Immediate goners. If they don't make the grade, they're out. Next. In other words, there's a performance expectation in industry to make that kind of money. It does not compare at all to the situation in hospitals. Thus I postulate; once again your comparison is highly simplistic. Drawing false equivalency. IE bullshit, as you like to say. A liberal malaise for which there is no "treatment". Anyway sorry moderator. Back to trucks, et al. Edited January 24, 2022 by OftenWrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Called the "Freedom Convoy", hundreds of truckers have left BC. They will pick up many more from each province, as they come across! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/freedom-rally-bc-jan-23-1.6324942 I know some good lads in town here, some of whom grew up to be truckers, I know they'll be filling 'er up for a spin up 416, send a message to them folks on the Hill. Hell, maybe I'm a renta truck, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) No, it's real because you have to compete with private industry for talent. You just think you are entitled to the same for less. You are getting it for less because high level government jobs don't pay anywhere near what the private sector gets to oversee similar sized operations. The largest health region in BC is Fraser Health with 1.8 million people. The CEO makes a total compensation of 400K a year to oversee a health care region with a budget of over 4.6 billion a year. Cheap if you compare it with the private sector. He isn't even in the top ten of BC government official salaries. Edited January 24, 2022 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 hours ago, eyeball said: How can it when the news, like you, is not in-camera where the action is? Never mind the bollocks, man, what are you going on about with this all the time? Look, this here is about trucks. Trucks are for land lubbers, so of course you have no idea. ... Here's a good one. Trucks are already amassing in small towns around here in Eastern ON and heading for the highway, just like I knew they would!Link The web site is hacked, here's what I coped. A small convoy of a dozen passenger vehicles supporting protests by some Canadian truckers of pandemic regulations left 10 Acre Truck Stop and slowly rolled through Belleville's major streets on Sunday. The vehicles decorated in Canadian flags and signs left the truck stop on Wallbridge-Loyalist Road followed by a Belleville Police vehicle. They headed south to Dundas and Pinnacle Streets. It moved up North Front Street and to Bell Blvd before heading back to the truck stop. The convoy was in support of the Freedom Convoy 2022 that will see thousands of truck drivers and citizens leave British Columbia and Prince Edward Island for Parliament Hill Sunday. Many more truck drivers and civilians are expected to join the convoy at various access points across the country, including Highway 401 at Glen Miller in Trenton around 3 p.m. on Thursday afternoon. The convoy is expected in Ottawa on Friday. A dozen trucks from just the Belleville area is a lot of trucks. It's like, all of them! Go Truckers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 90% of truckers are vaccinated. The protests against mandates and the health guidelines makes no sense. Takes very little effort for one to get vaccinated. Why would truck drivers, who have reputations for being real men, be scared of a little vaccine shot? Mind boggling. They must have seen this requirement coming for some time and did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 59 minutes ago, blackbird said: 90% of truckers are vaccinated. The protests against mandates and the health guidelines makes no sense. Takes very little effort for one to get vaccinated. Why would truck drivers, who have reputations for being real men, be scared of a little vaccine shot? Mind boggling. They must have seen this requirement coming for some time and did nothing. The protest isn’t about the vaccine itself. It’s about mandated vaccination. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, West said: Because it's nobody's business if you took the vax besides yourself and your doctor. Informed consent is the backbone of our society Actually it is. Your vaccination status has nothing to do with your personal health. I suppose you don't think people who are HIV or HEP C positive should have to tell sexual partners either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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