Trucker's Convoy

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

I know 10 people getting a positive in the past 2 months. None of them has any symptom except a running nose and a rash in the throat.

It is a literal cold.

Maybe. Hospitalizations are still at record levels.

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Maybe. Hospitalizations are still at record levels.

We literally still have staff who are going to isolate themselves for 2 weeks because of a positive test with no symptom. Of course capacity will be limited when you have these kinds of procedures put in place.

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our ICU’s aren’t even 75% full in Ontario.

You would be happier if they were 100% full? What about all the health care workers who off because of this? Who is looking after them?

[Aristides]

Just now, QuebecOverCanada said:

We literally still have staff who are going to isolate themselves for 2 weeks because of a positive test with no symptom. Of course capacity will be limited when you have these kinds of procedures put in place.

 

What do you want to do, give hospital patients who are already seriously ill Covid courtesy of the people who are looking after them?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

No. You're right, let's shut down everything. Every winter there's the coof. Shut down everything, every year, because the same people are always going to be vulnerable.

The problem here is that we really don't know what you mean by shut everything down.

You can't go out without being arrested where you live? And how come you're able to badmouth the government without being shot?

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

The problem here is that we really don't know what you mean by shut everything down.

You can't go out without being arrested where you live? And how come you're able to badmouth the government without being shot?

For your last point, I would point out that in Russia, there are youtubers who are very critical of Vladimir Putin and are on Youtube;

By shutting down everything, I mean: gyms, restaurants, cinema, schools, workplaces and even a curfew.

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

What do you want to do, give hospital patients who are already seriously ill Covid courtesy of the people who are looking after them?

Where did I speak about ill staff?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

For your last point, I would point out that in Russia, there are youtubers who are very critical of Vladimir Putin and are on Youtube;

So take a cue and get a grip. You're in Canada not Russia or China or Germany in the early 40's.

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By shutting down everything, I mean: gyms, restaurants, cinema, schools, workplaces and even a curfew.

This is not everything so I say again, get a grip.

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Where did I speak about ill staff?

Do you read your own stuff?

[QuebecOverCanada]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So take a cue and get a grip. You're in Canada not Russia or China or Germany in the early 40's.

Your point was loss of rights, or dictatorships meant people would get shot for wrongspeak.

It isn't the truth, that's all. You brought that up, I just bring up an uncomfortable truth to you, that a dictatorship has many faces and ways to exist. I'm not comparing myself to a Jew in nazi Germany. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Do you read your own stuff?

Are you thick? I read you, you say that COVID positive staff would infect other patients. Asymptomatic staff which I was referring to, don't transmit COVID to a level even close to someone ill and thus symptomatic of COVID. 

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

So hospitals serve their primary function. But it doesn't change the fact Omicron is just a literal cold for almost everyone except a tiny minority of obese people and older folks with underlying issues.

That's a myth.  Some commentators have misled people like you.   

"FEELING THE PAIN 

The worrying side effect Omicron patients must watch out for even after recovering from Covid

12:53 ET, Jan 13 2022

Updated: 13:22 ET, Jan 13 2022

DOCTORS are warning about a worrying side effect that Omicron patients should watch out for – even after they've recovered from Covid.

Since being first detected in late November 2021, the Omicron variant has caused a surge in Covid cases across the nation, forcing state officials to reimplement mask mandate rules and stress testing.

1

Some recovering Omicron patients are suffering from body pain and lack of energy

Yet, doctors and researchers have claimed that Omicron symptoms are mild and less severe than the Delta strain – despite being among the most highly contagious variants.

Data revealed the risk of hospitalization is 50 to 70 percent lower than with Delta.

However, many recovered patients are complaining about body pain and lack of energy.

In an interview with Livemint, Dr Harish Chafle, a senior consultant at Global Hospital, explained the back-breaking pain caused while recovering from Omicron.

"It is a possibility that due to inflammatory mediators, this variant is causing more myalgia than any other variant post-recovery," the outlet reported.

Myalgia, according to John Hopkins Medicine, describes a range of muscle pains, with symptoms that include muscle cramps and joint pain.

A second reason for sudden post-Covid back pain may be Omicron's effect on the musculoskeletal system, which the variant attacks more than any other variant, per the outlet.

There are several other long-term Omicron symptoms that can last for months – and here is how you can relieve them.

LONG-TERM OMICRON SYMPTOMS

People recovering from Omicron can experience the following:

Muscle weakness and stiff joints

Extreme fatigue and feeling low on energy

Reduced mobility

Breathlessness

Phlegm build-up

Weaker physical fitness

Loss of appetite and weight loss

Lack of sense of smell or taste

Stomach problems and this includes heartburn, diarrhoea and vomiting

Difficulties swallowing

On the other hand, some people experience a mental and emotional toll from Covid. These include:

Sleep issues – and can affect people who have been in hospital, where it can be difficult to sleep on Covid wards

Mental fog such as being forgetful and not thinking clearly

Sudden changes in your mood

Depression or anxiety

Nightmares or flashbacks

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

Confusion or delirium

But there are ways to relieve symptoms like a build-up of phlegm, and that's through deep breathing.

This technique expands your lungs and helps clear the phlegm.

To do this, make sure you're comfortable and that your chest and shoulders are relaxed, and do the following:

Sit or lie in a comfortable position

Place one hand on your tummy below your ribs and the other on your chest

Take a deep breath through your nose while letting your tummy push your hand out. The hand on your tummy should move more than the hand on your chest

Breathe out through pursed lips like you're trying to whistle. Feel the hand on your belly go in and use it to push all the air out

Repeat this three to five times while taking your time with each breath

If you're still struggling to cope, please contact your doctor or visit your local hospital for help.

The worrying side effect Omicron patients must watch out for even after recovering from Covid (the-sun.com)

Edited January 22, 2022 by blackbird

[taxme]

2 hours ago, myata said:

Where is this going? What is the exit plan? In the third year, can we know "out of the abundance of caution and for as long as necessary"? What kind of a sane society does not think about where it's heading?

Something has changed about us and in us, and we didn't care to notice. Can it be reversed, would you know?

There is an exit plan from all of this covid nonsense. Follow the lead of Britain and Ireland whom have both now pretty much eliminated all of their covid medical tyranny madness. Castro Trudeau will never get it because he is just plain too stupid. How this Castro buffoon got this far in life is truly amazing. Lucky for that idiot his old man had money and influence. Otherwise he would probably be flipping hamburgers at some hamburger joint. ?

[QuebecOverCanada]

So all my friends, colleagues and even supervisors are all pretending to be alright after a day of a running nose?

[QuebecOverCanada]

A literal cold according to experts in BC

'We cannot eliminate all risk': B.C. starting to manage COVID-19 more like common cold, officials say

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/we-cannot-eliminate-all-risk-b-c-starting-to-manage-covid-19-more-like-common-cold-officials-say-1.5749895

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Are you thick? I read you, you say that COVID positive staff would infect other patients. Asymptomatic staff which I was referring to, don't transmit COVID to a level even close to someone ill and thus symptomatic of COVID. 

It's common knowledge this virus can be spread asymptomatically. If you had to show symptoms to be infectious this thing wouldn't be going through the population the way it is. What exactly do you think a positive test means? Would you take the chance of giving  Covid to a close relative that you loved who is already seriously ill just because you tested positive with no symptoms? Would they want you anywhere near them? 

[QuebecOverCanada]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's common knowledge this virus can be spread asymptomatically. 

Not much. It is better to have asymptomatic COVID staff than understaff that is tired.

[Aristides]

12 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Not much. It is better to have asymptomatic COVID staff than understaff that is tired.

You haven’t answered my question.

[eyeball]

52 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Your point was loss of rights, or dictatorships meant people would get shot for wrongspeak.

It isn't the truth, that's all. You brought that up, I just bring up an uncomfortable truth to you, that a dictatorship has many faces and ways to exist. I'm not comparing myself to a Jew in nazi Germany. .

All too often the face on the dictatorship card in play through much of this forum is Stalin's Mao's or Hitler's. My apologies if you don't play that game.  All the same the list of things you gave is not everything and it suggests you have pretty thin sensitive skin when it comes to your freedoms.

[Winston]

22 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Not much. It is better to have asymptomatic COVID staff than understaff that is tired.

Since 80% of the ICU is covid patients, would it be okay to have asymptomatic staff, care for symptomatic covid patients? 

Fundamentally they have the same issue, but are in a different health state. This could even be applied to the unvaccinated staff.

Also staff that are covid clear care for patients who are covid clear. 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

 

What do you want to do, give hospital patients who are already seriously ill Covid courtesy of the people who are looking after them?

What difference does it make if staff with Covid treat patients with Covid?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

That's a myth.  Some commentators have misled people like you.   

"FEELING THE PAIN 

The worrying side effect Omicron patients must watch out for even after recovering from Covid

12:53 ET, Jan 13 2022

Updated: 13:22 ET, Jan 13 2022

DOCTORS are warning about a worrying side effect that Omicron patients should watch out for – even after they've recovered from Covid.

Since being first detected in late November 2021, the Omicron variant has caused a surge in Covid cases across the nation, forcing state officials to reimplement mask mandate rules and stress testing.

1

Some recovering Omicron patients are suffering from body pain and lack of energy

Yet, doctors and researchers have claimed that Omicron symptoms are mild and less severe than the Delta strain – despite being among the most highly contagious variants.

Data revealed the risk of hospitalization is 50 to 70 percent lower than with Delta.

However, many recovered patients are complaining about body pain and lack of energy.

In an interview with Livemint, Dr Harish Chafle, a senior consultant at Global Hospital, explained the back-breaking pain caused while recovering from Omicron.

"It is a possibility that due to inflammatory mediators, this variant is causing more myalgia than any other variant post-recovery," the outlet reported.

Myalgia, according to John Hopkins Medicine, describes a range of muscle pains, with symptoms that include muscle cramps and joint pain.

A second reason for sudden post-Covid back pain may be Omicron's effect on the musculoskeletal system, which the variant attacks more than any other variant, per the outlet.

There are several other long-term Omicron symptoms that can last for months – and here is how you can relieve them.

LONG-TERM OMICRON SYMPTOMS

People recovering from Omicron can experience the following:

Muscle weakness and stiff joints

Extreme fatigue and feeling low on energy

Reduced mobility

Breathlessness

Phlegm build-up

Weaker physical fitness

Loss of appetite and weight loss

Lack of sense of smell or taste

Stomach problems and this includes heartburn, diarrhoea and vomiting

Difficulties swallowing

On the other hand, some people experience a mental and emotional toll from Covid. These include:

Sleep issues – and can affect people who have been in hospital, where it can be difficult to sleep on Covid wards

Mental fog such as being forgetful and not thinking clearly

Sudden changes in your mood

Depression or anxiety

Nightmares or flashbacks

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

Confusion or delirium

But there are ways to relieve symptoms like a build-up of phlegm, and that's through deep breathing.

This technique expands your lungs and helps clear the phlegm.

To do this, make sure you're comfortable and that your chest and shoulders are relaxed, and do the following:

Sit or lie in a comfortable position

Place one hand on your tummy below your ribs and the other on your chest

Take a deep breath through your nose while letting your tummy push your hand out. The hand on your tummy should move more than the hand on your chest

Breathe out through pursed lips like you're trying to whistle. Feel the hand on your belly go in and use it to push all the air out

Repeat this three to five times while taking your time with each breath

If you're still struggling to cope, please contact your doctor or visit your local hospital for help.

The worrying side effect Omicron patients must watch out for even after recovering from Covid (the-sun.com)

There are some really good treatments for people suffering from acute hypochondria.  

[QuebecOverCanada]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There are some really good treatments for people suffering from acute hypochondria.  

Health experts in BC say they will consider COVID and especially Omicron as a cold.

Only the obese and the very old are at risk. Restricting everyone is dumb.

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Every vehicle manufacturer in the world has had to cut back production because of supply issues. Chips are required for just about everything in today's vehicles. Engines, transmissions, AWD, traction control, braking systems, power steering don't work without them, never mind all the gee wiz tech they are putting in them today to help drive the car or take your attention away from driving it. I doubt pissing you off is more important to them than making money. The whole world is having supply chain problems. It isn't just the delivery of finished goods, manufacturers can't get the materials they need to make stuff.  As far as drivers go, what exactly can Trudeau do other than give US drivers an exemption? That doesn't do anything to help Canadian drivers who need to cross the border.

Milk is produced locally, shortages have nothing to do with borders.

Yes everyone is effected, but what action are we as a nation doing about it. The US is having a chip manufacture plant built in the US, did we jump on that train, nope...Instead we offer Canadians more CERB, for some reason, i mean Justin has already said everyone put out of work is now back, unemployment has dropped greatly... and yet if everyone is back to work who are we paying CERB to,

Even the large manufacturer are having labor shortages, what program is there to put these people back to work. Top it all off the price of fuel is sky rocketed driving the price of everything out of control, of course climate change taxes or other federal taxes has nothing to do with that. so no relief in that direction either...as for the drivers, has the government even offed incentives to get vaccinated, nothing except mandate things that so far are not working...

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

We just need three times the number of hospitals is all. Problem solved. Let 'er rip.

Or we could start by providing enough housing for the elderly who need LTC. That would take pressure off hospitals that are being used to house the overflow. Up to 25% of beds are being used for seniors.

But nahh. Lets keep making sad excuses why we cannot do things.

Like sorry, we dont have the money. (burp)