The push is on of the Omicron or Omnicon virus.

ChristopherCross · December 17, 2021

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

I got Moderna, actually.

Of course you did.

Faramir · December 17, 2021

The population will never get exhausted by this. They are well trained seals who jump at every sneeze or fallen mask. Seriously. I have allergies and you should see the look I get if I sneeze. In 50 years we will still be on this COVID 19 fetish.

myata · December 17, 2021

So according to Canada's Chief PHO Omicron is a "looming crisis". There are two new variants of flu every year and common cold (yes, a coronavirus too), continuously. For years, decades and very likely, centuries. Can you see where this is going?

Accountability Now · December 17, 2021

5 hours ago, Boges said:

You have to dig deeper into this site.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread

Vaccination you can view the stats per 100,000 and see that the unvaxxed arc is well above the the vaxxed and partially vaxxed arc. Unsurprisingly, cases for the 60-79 age group are almost exclusively from unvaxxed individuals.

I had seen this part and like I said, I don't know if this data is up to date or not. I think why it may be off is they use a 7 day average where as I am looking at individual days. Up until recently, these charts made sense as vaccinated people were making up 20-30% of the cases although they make up 80% of the population. In the recent days they are making up 60-65% of the cases. As I said earlier, the thing to watch is the change in percentage of cases. It was 60, then 65 and now today its 68.

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Of the new infections reported Friday, the Ministry of Health says 874 are in people who are either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated. About 2,120 cases were logged in people who received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine while the vaccination status of an additional 130 people is unknown.

About 18 per cent of the Ontario population is unvaccinated and they made up 25 per cent of all cases, while 68 per cent of Friday’s cases involved vaccinated people and they make up 77 per cent of the province’s population.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-reports-significant-jump-in-covid-19-infections-with-more-than-3-000-new-cases-1.5711426

Those arcs that you are referring to should be getting closer and will ultimately match when 77% of the cases are vaccinated. When that happens you can legitimately say the vaccine is doing nothing to stop infection although it may still stop severe infection.

5 hours ago, Boges said:

Though maybe not 2/3 (that was a weak estimate by me, my apologies). Cases under 20 are double any other age group.

According to your snapshot, yes but today's data is already showing that the 20-29 year olds are increasing as your statement about being double no longer applies. Of course these fluctuations happen when you break out smaller demographics which is why we might want to look at larger groups. For all resolved cases, the age groups 0-59 made up 84% of the cases. The new active cases have that group at 89% based on todays link. This increase that more younger people have caught Covid as of recent but is the 5% uptick that relevant? Maybe. Wait and see what hospitalizations look like in 3 weeks to know for sure.

Have you seen what percentage of cases in Ontario are Omicron. I thought I had seen something about 20% but that doesn't make sense. I was looking this morning but couldn't find anything.

taxme · December 17, 2021

On 12/15/2021 at 2:02 PM, Faramir said:

Yes the media is full of it as usual as this variant frankly is a nothing burger. But it won't end. Now the Feds are talking about vaccinations for under 12. They are not done with us yet. I bet we are going to be jabbed again and again for the next decades and the foreseeable future.

But why do the peasants keep falling for this lie and covid hoax? Globull news were showing many people in some covid lineup waiting to get their booster jab. What is wrong with these morons anyway? If one is not forced to do it then why do it? These people must always be living in a state of fear and panic every day alright. All that will set them off is for their fake and phony politicians to feed them lies and bull shit and they will do as they are told.

I can tell you right now that what is next on the agenda is that if anyone wants to be able to go to a sports event, a concert, a casino, travel, eat in a restaurant or go to a movie with their kids, they will have to have that booster jab to be able to do so. If they do not take the booster jab than they will be forced to stay at home and wait to die. There will be no fun allowed for them.

As you said this covid game is never going to end. No doubt there will be another scariant covid virus waiting in the wings to come out and attack us and will kill us all if we the peasants do not take the fourth booster jab. As I always keep saying here, Canadians are becoming more and more stupid and stunned by the day. They have become an obedient and dumb downed bunch of buffoons. For them to question or challenge anything is a no-no for them.

I just saw on Globull news this morning that come Dec. 21st the 72 hour grace period of freedom that was given to us about a month ago where we the peasants were finally allowed to cross the American and Canadian land border without needing to take a fake and phony PCR test upon our return back into Canada is now gone. I had a feeling that Castro Trudeau was looking for an opportunity to cancel that bit of freedom that was given to us.

As you can see, I am really getting sick and tired of all of this covid hoax bull chit. Wake the hell up people for gawds sake. You will never get your freedoms and rights back if you keep going along with this globalist communist covid game. ?

myata · December 17, 2021

Can they "defeat" flu or common cold? There you go. Only takes one look around and one short active moment in the brain.

Boges · December 17, 2021

5 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

Have you seen what percentage of cases in Ontario are Omicron. I thought I had seen something about 20% but that doesn't make sense. I was looking this morning but couldn't find anything.

The media is saying 50%.

By Christmas, Omicron will have completely supplanted Delta.

I am really irritated by the narrative that this spike in cases will automatically lead to an overwhelming of the Healthcare system. If the vast majority of cases are vaccinated people under 40 then we shouldn't see a spike unless Omicron is appreciably more severe than Delta in terms of severe illness.

Do you really have to be an MD to understand this?

taxme · December 17, 2021

On 12/15/2021 at 2:43 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The game is control over people’s behaviour. Every time we seem to be on the way out there will be new variants, the need for new boosters, restrictions on movement and travel, masking mandates, etc. Full vaccination isn’t enough for our totalitarian governments. Our Christmas is getting sabotaged again. Trudeau proclaimed exactly the same bullshit this time last year when we were all unvaccinated. What was the point of vaccination? It’s like it never even happened, even though vaccination has proven 70% effective against Omicron and the Omicron symptoms are milder. What a complete sham. “Just a few more months…”. Are people really that gullible?

From Global News on Trudeau’s comments today: The comments mirrored remarks he offered almost exactly one year ago, telling Canadians they needed to hang on for “a few more months.”

https://apple.news/ACYztWaMoTCeLOm0_8-w7Dg

We were told that all we needed was two weeks to flatten the covid curve. Now we are going on approx. 515 days and that covid curve has not been flattened yet. This must be one hell of a long and winding covid curve, eh?

This scamdemic will go on and on forever because there are way too many Canadian gullible buffoons out there who apparently do want to keep this scamdemic going. Many are already lining up for their booster jab, and they will lineup for the next booster jab when it comes along. There is no way we can end this scamdemic with all of those gullible buffoons around.

Castro Trudeau is laughing and is showing total contempt every day for these gullible buffoons, and they will still never get it. We are losing all of our rights and freedoms every day because of those stupid gullible fools. Let the scamdemic continue on forever. ?

taxme · December 17, 2021

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

The media is saying 50%.

By Christmas, Omicron will have completely supplanted Delta.

I am really irritated by the narrative that this spike in cases will automatically lead to an overwhelming of the Healthcare system. If the vast majority of cases are vaccinated people under 40 then we shouldn't see a spike unless Omicron is appreciably more severe than Delta in terms of severe illness.

Do you really have to be an MD to understand this?

By Christmas we should have all been dead by now from all of these scary and dangerous scariant covid viruses. Even the vaccinated are not safe from catching the convid virus.

Anyone want to make a bet as to when the next scariant covid virus will come around? I say about four months? What say you? ?

Accountability Now · December 17, 2021

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

The media is saying 50%.

By Christmas, Omicron will have completely supplanted Delta.

If this number is true than that means 1600 cases are Delta now. That would be double the wave you had in September but with vaccines that waned a few months more. Curious to see if that will be a factor in hospitalizations. Also curious to see if there is a difference between who gets what variant (ie unvaxxed are more prone to get Delta and vaxxed are more prone for Omicron). Truthfully though, I think the true Omicron percentage is more like 80%. The rapid rise in Quebec and Ontario suggest it but I'm just spitballing.

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

I am really irritated by the narrative that this spike in cases will automatically lead to an overwhelming of the Healthcare system. If the vast majority of cases are vaccinated people under 40 then we shouldn't see a spike unless Omicron is appreciably more severe than Delta in terms of severe illness.

Do you really have to be an MD to understand this?

Agreed but the only caveat is that they know the vaccines wane over 5-6 months. That time frame is creeping up for a bunch of Ontarians so they need to drive the fear home in order for them to get their booster.

taxme · December 17, 2021

On 12/16/2021 at 1:06 AM, betsy said:

BOOSTER SHOTS will become mandatory! I see the writing on the wall.

Dam right, Betsy. Anyone with an ounce of brains should know that booster jabs WILL become mandatory here in Canada land in the next few months. I just cannot wait for the next scariant covid virus to come around. I am peeing in my pants waiting for it. Chuckle-chuckle.

Want to bet that it will be worse than this Omni"con" virus and I believe that it should be coming around on or about springtime. That one should be the big daddy of them all and more booster jabs will be required(forced). I think that the powers to be will be calling it the plague covid virus. Hey, we never know, eh?

I am pretty sure that every day the likes of Castro Trudeau, and all of those useless bought off premiers of Canada politicians are surely showing plenty of contempt for they the peasants, and they must be laughing like hell all the way to the bank at they the peasants, as the peasants all start to run around in a state of fear and panic of not wanting to miss out on getting their booster jabs. I say refuse the booster. Works for me. ?

betsy · December 17, 2021

I don't get why - if the omicron is supposed to pose this kind of risk (which politicians are all so afraid of) - why did they allow sports games to go on?

That isn't consistent to the scary messaging we're being bombarded with.

Edited December 17, 2021 by betsy

myata · December 17, 2021

No exit plan anywhere in sight. Two years with a new variant every 4-6 month? Five? How many? Don't look at it as the past or present, it's the future. Why wouldn't it be?

Sweden never had a lockdown. Thanks to it, and few like it we know that this possibility exits too. No it's not "all what's necessary for as long as necessary" war epidemics horror measures act. Only a conscious and intelligent choice.

taxme · December 17, 2021

11 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

If this number is true than that means 1600 cases are Delta now. That would be double the wave you had in September but with vaccines that waned a few months more. Curious to see if that will be a factor in hospitalizations. Also curious to see if there is a difference between who gets what variant (ie unvaxxed are more prone to get Delta and vaxxed are more prone for Omicron). Truthfully though, I think the true Omicron percentage is more like 80%. The rapid rise in Quebec and Ontario suggest it but I'm just spitballing.

Agreed but the only caveat is that they know the vaccines wane over 5-6 months. That time frame is creeping up for a bunch of Ontarians so they need to drive the fear home in order for them to get their booster.

Man, do you ever appear to be living in a constant state of fear and panic over nothing at all. Do you still wear a face diaper mask when you are on the computer? Had your booster jab yet? Just asking. ?

taxme · December 17, 2021

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't get why - if the omicron is supposed to pose this kind of risk (which politicians are all so afraid of) - why did they allow sports games to go on?

That isn't consistent to the scary messaging we're being bombarded with.

Anyone can go eat at a fast food restaurant like McDumps w/o the need to be vaccinated. But one cannot go into a real restaurant w/o being fully vaccinated. One needs a vaccine passport to do so.

One cannot go to a sports event, casino, concert unless they are fully vaccinated because they may get or spread the covid virus. One needs a vaccine passport to be able to do so. But yet anyone can walk into a Walmart or Costco(where there are crowds galore)or the many other business outlets out there w/o being fully vaccinated.

Is there something wrong with this picture that I am not getting here? It certainly looks to me that something is wrong here. I wonder what old Mikey has to say about this? ?

Yzermandius19 · December 17, 2021

1 hour ago, Boges said:

The media is saying 50%.

By Christmas, Omicron will have completely supplanted Delta.

I am really irritated by the narrative that this spike in cases will automatically lead to an overwhelming of the Healthcare system. If the vast majority of cases are vaccinated people under 40 then we shouldn't see a spike unless Omicron is appreciably more severe than Delta in terms of severe illness.

Do you really have to be an MD to understand this?

so you have finally caught on to the media's covid fearmongering without any scientific basis?

welcome to the party

better late than never

they were doing it long before Omicron

nice of you to finally notice

Edited December 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

WestCanMan · December 17, 2021

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(CNN)President Joe Biden on Thursday warned people who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are looking at a very bleak and dangerous winter if they do not get their shots soon.

"I want to send a direct message to the American people: Due to the steps we've taken Omicron has not yet spread as fast as it would have otherwise done," Biden said in remarks at the White House following his Covid-19 briefing Thursday.

"But it's here now and it's spreading and it's gonna increase. ... We are looking at a winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated -- for themselves, their families and the hospitals they'll soon overwhelm. But there's good news: If you're vaccinated and you have your booster shot, you're protected from severe illness and death," the President added.

A winter of severe illness and death.... brought to us by the vaccinated people who are allowed to fly.... Weird, hey?

Does Biden know something about omicron that has been kept secret from us? Why have been led to believe that it is a milder version?

Yzermandius19 · December 17, 2021

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

A winter of severe illness and death.... brought to us by the vaccinated people who are allowed to fly.... Weird, hey?

Does Biden know something about omicron that has been kept secret from us? Why have been led to believe that it is a milder version?

no need to shut down air travel

that doesn't stop covid from spreading anymore than lockdowns, mask mandates or vax mandates do

aside from being outdoors, being in a commercial airliner is as safe from covid transmission as you can get while still being indoors

HEPA filters ftw

this information has been available for well over a year

and still people keep bitching about air travel as if it is a primary transmission vector

when the exact opposite is the case

time to update the thinking on that

it ain't March 2020 anymore

there is no reasonable excuse to react like it is with nonsensical travel bans

Edited December 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

myata · December 17, 2021

Why isn't anyone talking about an exit plan here? Just out of curiosity, is it really such a rocket science general relativity question?

Two years, and how many more, years, variants boosters, "let's defeat it forever" slogans? Just curious.

Exspert heads in the tv blabbing about a myriad and one thing the thought just never happened, honestly not to worry.

Health exsperts squarely on the next "looming threat" (sic) never a minute for another (independent) thought.

Are you still marching ahead, or already in circles? And how would you know?

OftenWrong · December 17, 2021

8 hours ago, Boges said:

I got Moderna, actually.

Didnt you tell us you had AZ?

Then had to mix with another, after AZ was discontinued. That was right after they insisted, repeatedly, AZ is alright.

I

Goddess · December 17, 2021

1 hour ago, myata said:

Why isn't anyone talking about an exit plan here?

Pay attention. There is no exit plan.

Israel is going into 4th boosters, even though:

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Speaking to Channel 13 News, Dr. Kobi Haviv warned that the effectiveness of the vaccines are waning. He added that 95 percent of hospitalized Israelis with the most severe symptoms are vaccinated.

Haviv also pointed out that 85 to 90 percent of Israelis hospitalized due to COVID-19 were vaccinated.

“I understand that most of the patients are vaccinated, even ‘severe’ patients,” he told the news channel.

According to Haviv, the breakthrough infections set up a scenario where booster shots would become necessary.

Fauci is already talking about boosters every 6 months:

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Top U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci is proposing to inject every eligible American with Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine boosters every six months. He shared this idea during a recent interview with the ABC program “This Week.”

“We would hope – and this is something we are looking at very carefully – that the third [mRNA vaccine] shot … not only will boost you way up, but increases the durability so that you will not necessarily need it every six months or a year,” he said.

“We’re hoping it pushes out more. If it doesn’t and the data show we do need it more often, then we’ll do it.”

myata · December 18, 2021

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

insisted, repeatedly, AZ is alright.

Do they have a clue what they are insisting on? Or should we expect that tomorrow's clue be the same as yesterday'? I read a book where they had a new clue every morning and now why does it look like the fiction is right in the window?

Zeitgeist · December 18, 2021

Yup viral spread and new variants are the omnipresent threat that make you a social pariah for daring to live a healthy life seeing friends and family, travelling, etc. Every few months line up for your booster that provides pretty good protection until the next variant…. The pandemic won’t end because government leads the way. It will end when a small minority of brave souls decide to accept the risks and live lives of their choosing. They may face derision and even fines, job loss, or imprisonment, but it will be worth it to them. They’ll be the trailblazers that others gradually copy and follow.

Edited December 18, 2021 by Zeitgeist

Accountability Now · December 18, 2021

5 hours ago, taxme said:

Man, do you ever appear to be living in a constant state of fear and panic over nothing at all. Do you still wear a face diaper mask when you are on the computer? Had your booster jab yet? Just asking. ?

You’re not really aware of who you’re talking to. Are you? Booster jab? I haven’t even had the first jab.

Maybe read a little before you do your gaslighting

OftenWrong · December 18, 2021

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

A winter of severe illness and death.... brought to us by the vaccinated people who are allowed to fly.... Weird, hey?

Does Biden know something about omicron that has been kept secret from us? Why have been led to believe that it is a milder version?

Just an insane old man running around telling everybody "It's going to be a dark, dark winter..." He said the same thing in 2020.