Islamophobia in Canada

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

They would be anything that doesn't fall under the category of bad bits.  Is it really your contention that there are no Muslims, anywhere in the world, doing anything other than evil today? 

I think for me the issue is:  What is considered a "moderate" Muslim?

Advocates of Islam insist that Muslims can hold extreme views but AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ACT ON THOSE VIEWS, they are considered "moderate".  Those same advocates insist that Christians who hold extreme views but DO NOT ACT ON THEM, these ones are considered extremists.

I think we all agree that the ones who ACTUALLY DO the stonings, beheadings, burnings, killings are extremists.  But what about all the ones who stand around watching, cheering, bringing the family along to see, taking pictures of such things?  I consider those people extremist, too. But advocates of Islam do not consider these ones extremist in any way, shape or form.  They insist they leave these views at the airport when they get here. I consider a man who insists that his wife never leave the house, and if she has to, requires her to cover up and not look at anyone....I think that's an extremist.  Others here disagree.

It just seems to me that a "moderate" Muslim has to mean more than just "He didn't kill anyone today."

To me, walking around with this type of hatred - against women, gays, Western society - is like walking around with a loaded gun....at some point you're going to point it at someone you feel is deserving and open fire.  This is not the same as when people get stressed or are rushing and occasionally lose patience with others.

[scribblet]

As Tarek Fatah‏ just said: 

 The blood of  Manchester's children is on the hands of men in the West who refuse to name Islamism as a problem, let alone fight the cancer.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

I think for me the issue is:  What is considered a "moderate" Muslim?

Advocates of Islam insist that Muslims can hold extreme views but AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ACT ON THOSE VIEWS, they are considered "moderate".  Those same advocates insist that Christians who hold extreme views but DO NOT ACT ON THEM, these ones are considered extremists.

I think we all agree that the ones who ACTUALLY DO the stonings, beheadings, burnings, killings are extremists.  But what about all the ones who stand around watching, cheering, bringing the family along to see, taking pictures of such things?  I consider those people extremist, too. But advocates of Islam do not consider these ones extremist in any way, shape or form.  They insist they leave these views at the airport when they get here. I consider a man who insists that his wife never leave the house, and if she has to, requires her to cover up and not look at anyone....I think that's an extremist.  Others here disagree.

It just seems to me that a "moderate" Muslim has to mean more than just "He didn't kill anyone today."

To me, walking around with this type of hatred - against women, gays, Western society - is like walking around with a loaded gun....at some point you're going to point it at someone you feel is deserving and open fire.  This is not the same as when people get stressed or are rushing and occasionally lose patience with others.

One's views are one's own.  Keeping one's wife house bound is not a view, but action as a result of a view.  A moderate in anything is only really defined as not extremist.  The word itself is good for an argument, but nothing more.  We all "know" what we are talking about when we argue such on here.  In the real world, a person's actions will define them, as always.  Inaction is perfectly acceptable too.

[Guest]

Just now, scribblet said:

As Tarek Fatah‏ just said: 

 The blood of  Manchester's children is on the hands of men in the West who refuse to name Islamism as a problem, let alone fight the cancer.

Smart fellow, that Tarek.  Why give those men (and women) more sandbags to build into their barricade?

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, scribblet said:

As Tarek Fatah‏ just said: 

 The blood of  Manchester's children is on the hands of men in the West who refuse to name Islamism as a problem, let alone fight the cancer.

Cannot say anything negative about Islam. That would be considered a racist thing to do so. The word racism is just thrown around to get people who do wish to criticize Islam to get them to shut the hell up. And like the cowards that they are, they do. The fake and phony far left liberal media uses it all the time to frighten people off. Personally, I wear that word with pride because I know by doing so it pizzes those left wing dying far left liberals and the liberal media off. Even our Canadian politically correct politicians like to use it against anyone who dares to say anything critical about Islam. Maybe the reason for this is that they all have converted to Islam? Hey, you never know.

Islam is a cancer, and if allowed to spread it will end up giving everyone Islamic cancer. That won't be very good for women and gays. Lucky for me I am neither one of them. Whew.  To be forced to wear a burka on a hot summers day or get thrown off roof tops does not sound like a great deal for those people. Maybe those supporters of that pathetic ancient backwards 10th century religion will smarten up before it is too late for them. Once one jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge, well it is pretty much too late then. 

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Argus said:

No, he is not.

Thanks.  I was getting swamped there, for a minute...

[taxme]

25 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I think for me the issue is:  What is considered a "moderate" Muslim?

Advocates of Islam insist that Muslims can hold extreme views but AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ACT ON THOSE VIEWS, they are considered "moderate".  Those same advocates insist that Christians who hold extreme views but DO NOT ACT ON THEM, these ones are considered extremists.

I think we all agree that the ones who ACTUALLY DO the stonings, beheadings, burnings, killings are extremists.  But what about all the ones who stand around watching, cheering, bringing the family along to see, taking pictures of such things?  I consider those people extremist, too. But advocates of Islam do not consider these ones extremist in any way, shape or form.  They insist they leave these views at the airport when they get here. I consider a man who insists that his wife never leave the house, and if she has to, requires her to cover up and not look at anyone....I think that's an extremist.  Others here disagree.

It just seems to me that a "moderate" Muslim has to mean more than just "He didn't kill anyone today."

To me, walking around with this type of hatred - against women, gays, Western society - is like walking around with a loaded gun....at some point you're going to point it at someone you feel is deserving and open fire.  This is not the same as when people get stressed or are rushing and occasionally lose patience with others.

The crazy thing about it all is that here in Canada our screw ball politically correct politicians can't see this danger that is coming our way. These muslims WILL never assimilate, and they will demand that their religion be exempted from all our Canadian laws and rules if it conflicts with their beliefs. They will not tolerate our way of doing things if they don't like them. What is also interesting is that why do they immigrate to a non-muslim country if they do not want to observe the rules and laws of that country? Their hatred towards others who do not kiss the butt of Islam is quite evident. It is interesting how just about all of our politicians appear to want more muslims to come to Canada, and not less.

The destruction of the western race and culture by our PC pro-multicultural politicians is right on track, and it looks like it won't be coming off the tracks for a long time yet unless we taxpaying infidels do something about it very soon. 

[taxme]

28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Smart fellow, that Tarek.  Why give those men (and women) more sandbags to build into their barricade?

Tarek is right. Our stunned politicians appear to want to do just that. Give those muslim women and men all the sand bags that they will require to build those barricades too help keep us infidels out from flooding their religion with some Christian common sense and logic. A huge feat in itself for us infidels.  

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

Tarek is right. Our stunned politicians appear to want to do just that. Give those muslim women and men all the sand bags that they will require to build those barricades too help keep us infidels out from flooding their religion with some Christian common sense and logic. A huge feat in itself for us infidels.  

Ah yes, Christians.  Your God is not great either.

The sandbags are for Liberals, not Muslims.  Muslims don't need sandbags.

Edited May 23, 2017 by bcsapper

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

The sandbags are for Liberals, not Muslims.  Muslims don't need sandbags.

 

There's a well known, culturally insensitive slur just waiting for that line.

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Ah yes, Christians.  Your God is not great either.

The sandbags are for Liberals, not Muslims.  Muslims don't need sandbags.

Is there a God? Good question.

Well, at least Christians don't throw gays off building roof tops for being gay or stone women to death for being raped like that 10th century Islamic religion does. I prefer to live in a Christian country rather than an Islamic one. I like to party and gamble and have fun, and not have to get on my knees five times a day to pray to some non-existent God called Allah like they do. Muslims appear to be a very boring lot. 

I think that anyone who cares about their country, and what is happening against it these days should be building up bunkers with sandbags to keep out those on the far left wing liberal spectrum out. It is a struggle for patriotic conservatives in trying to keep muslims and liberals from continuing on their road to the destruction of a once great WASP Canadian nation. When Canada was living under true WASP conservatism we did not have all this nonsense of forced bilingualism, forced multiculturalism, forced metric, forced gay life style, and forced third world immigrant invasion that the lefty liberals have forced on this country for the past several decades. They have made Canada un-great now. 

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

Is there a God? Good question.

Well, at least Christians don't throw gays off building roof tops for being gay or stone women to death for being raped like that 10th century Islamic religion does. I prefer to live in a Christian country rather than an Islamic one. I like to party and gamble and have fun, and not have to get on my knees five times a day to pray to some non-existent God called Allah like they do. Muslims appear to be a very boring lot. 

I think that anyone who cares about their country, and what is happening against it these days should be building up bunkers with sandbags to keep out those on the far left wing liberal spectrum out. It is a struggle for patriotic conservatives in trying to keep muslims and liberals from continuing on their road to the destruction of a once great WASP Canadian nation. When Canada was living under true WASP conservatism we did not have all this nonsense of forced bilingualism, forced multiculturalism, forced metric, forced gay life style, and forced third world immigrant invasion that the lefty liberals have forced on this country for the past several decades. They have made Canada un-great now. 

 

I'm glad you don't throw gays of roofs.  Who is forcing you into a gay lifestyle?  We could have a word with them.

Metric?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

The crazy thing about it all is that here in Canada our screw ball politically correct politicians can't see this danger that is coming our way. These muslims WILL never assimilate, and they will demand that their religion be exempted from all our Canadian laws and rules if it conflicts with their beliefs. They will not tolerate our way of doing things if they don't like them. What is also interesting is that why do they immigrate to a non-muslim country if they do not want to observe the rules and laws of that country? Their hatred towards others who do not kiss the butt of Islam is quite evident. It is interesting how just about all of our politicians appear to want more muslims to come to Canada, and not less.

The destruction of the western race and culture by our PC pro-multicultural politicians is right on track, and it looks like it won't be coming off the tracks for a long time yet unless we taxpaying infidels do something about it very soon. 

Our politicians are scared to death by the PC crowd and leftists are ready to call anyone who disagrees with diversity and multi-culturalism racists.   Any politician who opens his mouth against the Liberal agenda will be blackballed as racist.  Look what happened to the senator who very mildly said everything done in residential schools wasn't bad.  She was condemned and kicked out of the committee and dealt with swiftly.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Look what happened to the senator who very mildly said everything done in residential schools wasn't bad.  She was condemned and kicked out of the committee and dealt with swiftly.

I suspect if you knew much of anything about residential schools you'd see why.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

They claim so. You do realize you're just harping on the acceptable casualties argument, yourself...I hope.

Even if only 1%-2% of Muslims....as a figure...are murderous...the cult should be given a pass. The majority aren't murderous after-all. We just have no way of telling which "moderate" will stop being "moderate" and splatter your kid across a stadium. But that's not their fault....of course not.

OTOH the West is not due a pass because we know full well which governments are going to turn Muslim kids into paste - we keep voting for them.  

[taxme]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Our politicians are scared to death by the PC crowd and leftists are ready to call anyone who disagrees with diversity and multi-culturalism racists.   Any politician who opens his mouth against the Liberal agenda will be blackballed as racist.  Look what happened to the senator who very mildly said everything done in residential schools wasn't bad.  She was condemned and kicked out of the committee and dealt with swiftly.

That is why we need a PM like Trump to come forward and tell these far left liberal loonies to go take a flying leap off some bridge somewhere, and take their PC and racism bs along with them on the jump. That person would get the ear of many people who are Canadian patriots and who are fast getting fed up with trudeau and his far left liberal antics.

It is quite amazing as to why people will allow themselves to be basically told to shut up and do as they are told without a whimper. Most Canadians have become wimps and cowards and are too afraid to say anything for fear that it may get them into trouble with the intolerant and bigoted left wing media and leftist politicians. Until that changes Canadians will still be treated as slaves by their elected phony puppet politicians. Our politicians support PC. By having PC in force they can shut down anyone that they do not agree with by just calling them racists, and it will shut them down. 

 

[DogOnPorch]

The Muslim community in Manchester is very worried...not about the dead or the extremist murderous thugs they breed...but rather, about backlash.

They are the victims. Not the dead kids.

[DogOnPorch]

9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Thanks.  I was getting swamped there, for a minute...

 

Now, now...you wanted that hat.

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The Muslim community in Manchester is very worried...not about the dead or the extremist murderous thugs they breed...but rather, about backlash.

They are the victims. Not the dead kids.

"Not the dead kids"? Are you kidding me? Those kids were the victims, not the muslims. Typical liberal thinking alright. Don't blame the muslims, blame old whitey. 

I am certainly not worried about what may happen to the muslims in Manchester one bit. It is the people who were involved in the bombing that I am more concerned about. What did they do to deserve being bombed when all they were doing is minding their own business and trying to enjoy some party event. The supposedly good muslims tolerate those radical muslims by not attacking and going after many of those Imams that preach violence and hatred towards innocent people. Those Imams appear to tell those fools that will listen to them to go out today and bomb some number of people in the name of Allah. The muslim community should be very worried about the backlash that may happen. They have brought it upon themselves, and they only have themselves to blame. They should start acting like the British do in Britain and stop trying to be different. Assimilate. 

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

"Not the dead kids"? Are you kidding me? Those kids were the victims, not the muslims. Typical liberal thinking alright. Don't blame the muslims, blame old whitey. 

I am certainly not worried about what may happen to the muslims in Manchester one bit. It is the people who were involved in the bombing that I am more concerned about. What did they do to deserve being bombed when all they were doing is minding their own business and trying to enjoy some party event. The supposedly good muslims tolerate those radical muslims by not attacking and going after many of those Imams that preach violence and hatred towards innocent people. Those Imams appear to tell those fools that will listen to them to go out today and bomb some number of people in the name of Allah. The muslim community should be very worried about the backlash that may happen. They have brought it upon themselves, and they only have themselves to blame. They should start acting like the British do in Britain and stop trying to be different. Assimilate. 

That's the theme: poor Islam...hijacked yet again. Wait for the usual "he was never at the mosque" and the bevy of other Islamic excuses.

[taxme]

14 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

That's the theme: poor Islam...hijacked yet again. Wait for the usual "he was never at the mosque" and the bevy of other Islamic excuses.

Ya, and we now have approx. 30,000 more of them poor me Muslims here in Canada now thanks to our pro- Muslim fearless dear leader. And of course many of them will be crying racism whenever someone dares to question or criticize their religion of so-called peace. And of course our politically correct Islamist loving politicians will be there to defend their honor, dam the consequences. 

[Goh Shenas]

14 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Thanks.  I was getting swamped there, for a minute...

Well you play the devil's advocate calling me a blinkered liberal for having no mercy for Muslims. Moderates or extremists.

Enough is enough! This filthy religion practised by the likes of Mufti who wanted to kill all jews.

These tree hugging liberal lefties advocating mercy for moderate muslims are worse than muslims. Mass deportation of all muslims to their country where they can happily kill eachother to enjoy 72 virgins. 

[-TSS-]

It would so much more honest by politicians after attacks like the one in Manchester instead of repeating the tired old platitudes like "we must be strong, dont give in to fear blaablaablaa" that this is just the way it is going to be in a multicultural society and in the future it is more likely to get worse than better. Get used to it or move into a forest.

[Argus]

Taking this back to the point of this topic: Islamophobia, The term was invented by a left wing British trust in 1991, but like all invented terms there is no official definition.

Oxford press describe it as "unfounded hostility towards Muslims, and therefore fear or dislike of all or most Muslims."

Dictionary.com has it as  "hatred or fear of Muslims or of their politics or culture"

Google has it as "dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force."

I think most take it be mean simply disliking Muslims, or being prejudiced against Muslims, and that is the way it is used, as a pejorative term, by social justice warriors of the type we see around here. Or as Sam Harris defines it : “Islamophobia. A word created by fascists, & used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”

In fact, how can you have a phobia which is not unreasoning? The implication, therefore, is that Islamophobia is like anything else, say claustrophobia, an unreasoning emotional thing. It's used in tandem with words like prejudice and racism, which is pretty odd when you consider that a phobia is generally considered to be irrational.

Yet when you include the belief that Islamophobia includes fear of Muslims "especially as a political force" or fear of Muslims "or their politics or culture" then Islamophobia doesn't fit as a phobia, for all secular western people would normally feel extreme disapproval for Muslim culture and political views. Even the SJW set would be extraordinarily hostile to those views were they not coming from brown people.

Meanwhile, Manchester demonstrate that fear of Muslim political and cultural views, and of Islam and it's ability to influence the gullible, stupid and heartless to murder, is hardly irrational or unfounded or even unreasonable.

[kactus]

What happened in Manchester is quite tragic and demonstrates an issue with home grown terrorism. 

I think there is an issue the way media reports to a certain extent for publicising details of these terrorists thereby glorifying their actions and recruiting more volunteers. Instead of mentioning their names media should focus on the deluded and deranged individual who committed these atrocities...

Mentioning his name will only give the likes of him more popularity sadly with more extremists joining forces.

There is a degree of islamophobia in the West because of the events unfolding. Media has its own share of blame in the way it reports. Blaming me all Muslims for the actions of these individuals will only inflame hatred and achieve animosity towards muslims which is the objective of extremists on both sides.

Edited May 24, 2017 by kactus