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It DOES mean that you cannot prove (nor disprove) any claims about whether a fetus is 'moral' or 'immoral' to abort. If merely asserting one's opinion matters, then why do we not just leave it up to a Hitler-esk leader to dictate their opinion to us and have us all compelled to nod to him arbitrarily? Why not accept whatever status quo is being asserted anywhere? Your faith in yourself ignrores and disrespects the faith of those opting for abortion as though your own opinion should matter over theirs, let alone my own faith in myself who disagrees with you. I argue with logical appeal; you argue with emotional appeal. Given the 'Left' is already demonstrating doubt by the same standards by the caricatured representative extremes for their EMOTIONS getting in the way, should you not prefer to keep things LOGICAL instead? Government is nothing more than a collective 'moral' legislator that PEOPLE, not gods, create to negotiate and set tentative laws that appeal to the most people. Because everyone has distinct backgrounds religiously, you cannot assume they share the same 'morals'. But even where they exist, religion itself is not proven any less a form of PRIVATE 'government' of one they particularly just gamble is 'good' for creating the label of this being as that which defines 'good' as an arbitrary dictator. [The word 'god' is a biased preference based on the same root as 'good'. It ignores though that evil has to also be a construct owned by this being or it BEGS the question. If God is 'good' just because it declares itself such, it begs why any 'evil' exists at all. "Eve", the root of the term, "evil" [Eve-al(l)] initially meant all that followed God, but Eve was also created by it. So who created 'evil'? If women did (as some propose of Eve as a particular historical figure), didn't God create Eve? Because of the contradictions, religions cannot be trusted as a root of morals but a reflection of what SOME subset of people belief. The creation of the religious Gods themselves are human creations relative to me as an athiest. So why would or should I accept having faith in particular claims that some person decrees is real when I too can just as easily assert that I am your God, and your lack of respect of me is not 'good' because I am the one defining what 'good' (and thus who 'God' is by proxy) means? [Note that God should be an atheist like me if it has no appeal to base its evaluation further than declaring it is so.] ...And I then created this post and at the end of it I saw that it was all 'good'; So it came to be that as the Aten fell to Adam, by Atum the perfect Sol(id) is to be returned to Eden the very next day, (for)Eve(r). And so now I will rest as I grant my Godness to Eve(eryting) fore Eve(ryone) and to carry forth my wishes for Eve(r). And thus, I am the creator of all that is Eve-El(ohim) too! Maybe I'm just too "Nile(istic)" about it all, but Nut(hing) exists above except (H)Eve(n) and (G)Od(den) before it.

It's strange that when it comes to a woman's right to have an abortion she should be allowed to have an abortion without question. Let the government mind it's own bloody ruthless business. After all, haven't we been told enough times by the leftist liberal democrats that it is a woman's body and it should be her choice to decide as to whatever she wants to do with her own body and to protect it for herself. No outside influence there allowed. But yet, when it came to the Covid vaccinations, a woman did not have any rights anymore. Many woman were forced to take the Covid jab or else. Suddenly, it's not her body or choice anymore. Either she takes the Covid vaccine jab or else a woman can have her rights and freedoms taken away from her by the government. All of a sudden a woman has no right over her own body and has no choice but to take the jab or else a woman becomes a non-citizen with no rights and freedoms. Where are those leftist liberal democrats now on this one? Suddenly, we cannot find any of those lefty liberals. They all went into hiding. Where is Maxine Waters? But this is what liberalism is all about? Hypocrisy and bullshit. Liberalism believes that a woman should only have the rights that the liberals want her to have. She should have the right to an abortion but she should not be allowed to deny taking any Covid vaccine jabs. Liberalism is truly a sick and pathetic disease. ?

Whats insane in the US is they have laws to protect sea turtle eggs but nothing to protect human life at conception. The pro death liberal cult is something

At least you’re finally admitting that Republicans are trying to make America similar to Muslim countries. That’s something we’ve been saying about them for a couple of decades now. Abortion is a medical procedure and it is regulated the same way as any other medical procedure. What’s “allowed” is what is determined by medical regulations…NOT CRIMINAL LAW. For example there aren’t criminal laws that explicitly prevent a doctor from amputating your hand to treat a paper cut. That doesn’t mean it’s allowed or that it happens or that silly women will seek it out unless conservative men threaten them with imprisonment. Get it? In Canada we have no criminal laws against abortion but late abortions are extremely, extremely, extremely rare and for very very very extreme and rare reasons that require extensive documentation…not because criminal law requires it but because medical standards do. One of the things that makes conservatives so fascist is their need to criminalize everything they don’t like. In their fascist eyes, the only way to regulate something that needs regulating is to make it punishable by death or imprisonment.

for me, that's Dutch Reagan we were in this kind of malaise in 1980 Reagan put Paul Volcker in charge, took the hit to beat inflation then he stood up to the Soviets and brought them to heel then it was morning in America

Well I've found this thread hugely entertaining, but Yzermandius is quite dead on. The issue of abortion is not a federal issue but a state issue. That's all the SCOTUS ruled. So you Libbies howling about this as some sort of tragedy, are ignorant of the US Constitution and complete hypocrites.

there is no better constitution and it won't be aborted Americans will however abort your opinion on the matter woop woop

The Supreme Court violated actual constitutionally protected rights, namely the state's ability to set their own laws in exchange for a made up right to an abortion

6-3 SCOTUS it's a states issue now the Republicans aren't trying to force their abortion rules preferences on Blue States it's the Democrats who are trying to force their abortion rules preferences on Red States though the left are now whining that they can't force their bullshit on Red States anymore the right are not doing the same to Blue States these are the facts and they do not support any attempts to create a false equivalency nor do they support attempts to portray the Republicans as the bad actors of the bunch on this

What's with this tongue-bathing of everything Yankee you fucking traitors? Shove the Battle Hymn up your ass this ain't no Republic. There's a spot for you in the Tower of London. And let's not forget: they couldn't even pass the Equal Rights Amendment back in the 1970s. In 2016 they were so against the idea of a women President they elected and actual c*nt instead.

I think it's way more accurate to say that in fact the Democrat party has drastically moved farther left in just the last couple of years. Far away from their roots. Calling them socialist is not much of a stretch either. You shouldn't mention slavery without admitting which party was the anti slavery party either, just for the sake of accuracy. Roe v Wade has been around a long time but it should be pointed out that Democrats were not satisfied with that, they wanted to pretty much remove any existing limits to abortion but they failed. Democrat Bill Legalizing Abortion Through All Nine Months, For Virtually Any Reason, Fails In Senate | The Daily Wire It was also pointed out that they could have achieved this during either Clinton's or Obama's first terms , but they did not act. Everyone on the government side should act like adults and strongly come out and condemn violence which we know is going to come. They haven't done it before so I'm not optimistic.

NATO stirred the pot decades ago when it refused admission for Russia and encouraged former Soviet republics and satellites to join the western alliance at a time when the Cold War appeared to end and the opportunity for warm relations with Russia finally arose. Most Crimeans want to stay in Russia. It was originally part of Russia. Russia wanted the Donbas region to be independent because of the mixed groups (Russian and Ukrainian) and old Russian territory claims. Ukraine supported this plan in the Turkey summit with Russia until they realized that the US, Canada, and other countries would fund a proxy war. Now there’s no political resolution and endless suffering and war in Ukraine. How many more billions are Canadians willing to pay for Freeland’s war? We need a concrete timeline for a political solution.

It's in the news everyday that our healthcare system is struggling. Long wait times due to short staffs - and now, our government is actually inviting US abortion seekers to come to Canada! To jump the line? Everything we see on the news is bad news as far as Canada is concerned. It's unbelievable how fast this country is going down the drain!

the Padre of the 48th Highlanders was Captain The Reverend Dwight Nelson he was the coolest most bad ass Minister an infantryman could wish for he was an ex-Biker who found God, Saul becomes Paul on the road to Damascus he was so approachable, always in amongst the troops, he was a fighting Padre he didn't thump the Bible, he slipped it in subtly, while he checked on you in the trenches yet when it came time to stand to for battle, he would invoke the fearsome Scots Protestant Lord he's the first one to crack my barrier of disbelief, my first Pastor

I 'liked' but question the apparent link. It doesn't appear to be a legit youTube link but a redirect. Can you post the original link so that me or others can verify securely? (It will open a window here if it is legit).

to be clear, the court has not said that abortion is illegal all the court has rejected, is that a right to an abortion is actually in the constitution that doesn't mean abortion couldn't be a right all the court has said on that, is that you would have to pass a constitutional amendment to make it so but since no such amendment has ever been passed, the mechanism in America is to send it back to the states states can pass their own laws either way then you decide which state you want to live in accordingly this is how America is designed to work

Is NATO really more powerful since its expansion to include the Baltic states? I think NATO is spreading out its forces thinner and angering what the west perceives as war-mongering Russia by expanding eastwards. Yes, Britain is powerful militarily, but history teaches us the more you spread out, the less powerful you are. If one is pro-Russia and not pro-west, then one has even more reason to believe NATO is a provocateur as it swallows former Soviet and Soviet satellite states. From either viewpoint, NATO expansion eastward is more likely a step towards war, not peace.

And trust a Prog to slip into slurs when his argument gets obliterated. What's left seems to be what you think about me and what I belief and how you believe it's connected to every wrong you believe can find in any sect or exception to the rule. In case you're interested you're wrong about all of it. And I say that as a first source to what I believe.

ever heard of adoption? you are invoking a false dichotomy to sell your bullshit

Lol...so as soon as someone shows pictures of the proud Neo-Nazis in Ukraine...you want them investigated by the mods. Hilarious. Not that I don't now think this fine asshole is a common troll, but your reaction to object to images that really...really trash a lot of your argument, is comical.

For you? Big fat one with spikes.

There is more. From science: Anesthetics work by blocking memory access that prevents you from associating your stored experiences. This is also why we do not remember great details and I do not know ONE who could claim to remember 'feeling' much when they were still unborn fetuses, although traces of this may exist trivially. So before we are two, our systems are LEARNING to both 'evalutate' something environmentally as being pain/pleasure as well as those thought processes that derive interpretation of what is or is not good/bad. While two year olds certainly 'feel' sensations, before that, a gradual process of LEARNING what to assign to feelings has to be developed BY the environement. A baby has to LEARN to sense what is pain and it requires windows of develoment that arbitrarily assign what is in the present post birth environement. A baby doesn't initally cry, for instance, because it is sad or in pain or some other discomfort but is a genetic set of reactions that WE as parents put 'value' into. For instance, the first cry may be the reaction needed to clear the amniotic fluid out of the lungs. The baby only learns the association of crying as 'discomfort' when its environment teaches them how to assign the event as something by reactive parent's. They also need time for their brain to assign which spaces the baby should hold the memories that are also needed as mentioned above is needed for sensation. Many animals, like cats, do not have memory placed aside for sight and so can become blind AFTER they are born if the window of development lacks information during that period. The same goes for baby development long AFTER they are born and why we do not remember details of those periods. Babies do not have 'preferences'. Think for instance about how odd that many presume about their premature child's power to know whether they prefer homosexual behaviours or not. I'm on the side that says they LACK such assignments early on and so would, if any feelings existed at all, lack a desire for sexual favor nor disfavor. You likely do not remember how you learned to walk. This is because the brain of a child is undefined by having strong variable connections that lack strict pathways. So the baby needs time to PRUNE the hardwired excess of neural connections to DEFINE the shortcuts that our emotional sense of comforts and values. So such children may lack complete assignments of sensation not being able to differentiate between what would eventually be defining of one's sense of pain or pleasure. Babies have genetic defaults that permit them to go into a protection mode when harmed by overwhelming signals. Even a two year old may survive certain events that would doom more mature ones. This explains why for instance children can survive a drowning by being revived: their system is predefined like many other animals in the wild to NOT interpret the shock of traumatic sensations to the same degree we have when older. They are also more 'plastic' and this flexibility is also due to the excessive connections. These rational non-religious arguments demonstate at least a potential justification based upon evolutionary logic that far superceeds any opinion based upon some mystical religioius interpretation. While it is not to be favored is an excuse to not use other birth control preventions at all, and may permit the pychological supports one may include in one's familiar religions, But the overconcern about a fetus by you guys is fucking SUSPECT when you believe in other odd beliefs that suggest you are only preferring OTHER children not to be aborted for some ulterior interests and NOT the child's welfare. The 'liberals' have far more compassion universally IN ACTION than the subjective IN-GROUP mindset of the conservatives who believe in intrinsic rights to 'family' autonomy exclusive of other's right to overrule. Your side supports exploiting any advantages that empowers you economically also. Thus, you prove suspect when pretending an odd sudden compassion for the unborn of OTHERS outside your own family.(?) An unborn child is certainly less significant than one who is born and an older person who has been here longer also has more 'value' for demonstrating maturity. So why would you guys favor destroying the lives of adults unless you have some sick fetish about dumb pre-intellectualized beings that babies represent in the same way one favors irrationally a puppy versus a full grown dog who has 'earned' the experience that gives them their personality. If you have preference for immaturity over a being that is not even fully developed until it is already born and still requires years just to begin to speak, what higher virtue can we expect of your opinion about mature things?

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief the brothers to the left & right of you last of the Hanoverians warrior poets

You are so confused and full of BS that it would serve us best to just ignore you.

I only have my Canadian identity tracing back to my ancestor Jacob Smith at Halifax harbour in 1757 press ganged into the Royal Navy to fight the Seven Years War, founding the British Empire a Scots German Empire to find a Northwest Passage to the Far East more British than the British themselves, in the face of the American revolution then my great grandfather, a 72nd Seaforth Highlander of Canada a nation forged in fire on the Western Front in the Great War, from Second Ypres to Mons and then there is me, an Orangeman of Upper Canada, 48th Highlander & RCR Victoria Queen & Empress, Mother Canada faithful unto Judgment Day at the going down of the sun and in the morning, every day is remembrance day behold, the Vimy Cross, the story of my people

Ben Shapiro with another great takedown. It's short and to the point.

if the referendums are real why did the only happen once Russia invaded and not before? because Russia needed to them to be rigged to convince people like you that the people approved of it

Sad day when propaganda stats like that 68% nonsense get thrown around, as if they weren’t made up out of thin air to enrage the brick throwers. A solid majority of Americans wanted Roe struck down. That’s one of the reasons the Supremes did it.

Canada should double down their support for Ukraine. Ukrainian are defending Canada freedom and democracy with their lives, so why should Canada not help them? Canadian are coward bitches who should be in Ukraine fighting for Freedom and democracy, but all they do is just send arms. Without Ukrainian courage, the Russian will be in Canada in 48hours and here is what they will do: Shit inside every bottle of maple syrup as you drink your morning coffee ejaculate in your coffee and force you to drink it as you drink Russian semen, Chinese will come and put a finger up your rectum as you enjoy the Chinese finger up your rectum, they will put a pumpkin up there Is that what you want, is that what you want?

Beave...are you ever gonna grow up? The right for the American public to bear arms is right in their constitution. That constitution happens to be the base of their legal system. In order to change that, they'd have to re-write their constitution. Something they are not willing to do. Nobody wants to rule over women. The same constitution does not assign abortion to the federal government. Thus, by express language in said constitution, the states take ownership of abortion rights. It's as simple as that. Now...in states like South Dakota, the state legislature openly ran on a promise to the people of South Dakota, to end legalized abortion in their state, should Roe V Wade be overturned. They won and I'd be willing to bet a lot of women in South Dakota voted for these people. Finally...grow up Sally. Nobody I've seen posting here is a "Putin-lover". We/They are Truth-lovers. The truth is not always a fuzzy new stuffy to cuddle. Often it's like hugging razor wire. But truth is truth. You should try to deal with that Sally.

Their stupid fucked up constitution is what really needs to be aborted.

I don't want to take away choices that's all you it's a states issue I am against the federalization of the issue

and now the SCOTUS corrected one of their worst mistakes Donald Trump comes through in the clutch 6-3 SCOTUS woop woop

Actually it's because no where near the number of vaccinated people required to attain herd immunity has been reached as it was in the case of polio. Apparently that's because there's so many more stupid people these days. No cure for that of course and preventative measures scarcely make a bit of difference.

He's more of a rule by decree type dictator.. actually allowing the people to govern themselves isn't an acceptable view

I have nothing but contempt for men who think it is their god given right to rule women.

Yes Trudeau loves abortion at the same time he's flooding the country with immigrants because our population isn't growing fast enough. From cultures that predominantly oppose abortion no less.

that was long ago Canada is an international laughing stock now, if it is even taken notice of

I do loves me some DeSantis but Trump has delivered I was skeptical at first, I didn't endorse him at first but he's won me over on the merits no Republican President has achieved as much on the big issues, since Teddy Roosevelt Trump is the Bull Moose, the TR of our generation

It’s been interesting to watch the US leap into the 19th century They can no longer claim moral authority over anyone.

They'll certainly have both good reason and now, hopefully, areas with actual borders to facilitate Balkanization peacefully.

President Putin's objective was not just Crimea and the Donbas. Like Stalin, he wanted to take all of Ukraine. For Russia to invade the Ukraine is the same as if the USA invaded Canada. Ukrainians still remember the terrible crimes the Russians committed against the Ukraine, particularly the famine in the 1930's and is being repated now. You are calling for appeasement. That is a policy that will encourage Putin to invade NATO countries and that will cause a nuclear war.

Justin Trudeau as seen through the eyes of a Czech writer. Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in a Prague newspaper. Prague newspaper quote. "The danger to Canada is not Justin Trudeau, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him as Prime Minister. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Trudeau government than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man as their leader. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Justin Trudeau, who is a mere symptom of what ails Canada. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. Canada can survive Trudeau, who is after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive the multitude of fools who made him their Prime Minister."

Glad they aren't our schools. Your poor kids.

What's "obvious" is the Libbie desperation to destroy the oil and gas industries BEFORE a reasonable substitute can be implemented. That is STUPID!

You mean everyone in the whole world, right? Obviously since Canada would hardly put a dent in it. EV’s may not belch CO2, but the puke toxic metals. .... You want to reduce yer greenhouse gas emission? Never mind cars. Think cow farts, my friends. https://www.google.com/search?q=cows+methane+global+warming You beefeaters create a whole lotta bad gas. Ironically you could use cow farts to power combustion-engine vehicles. In doing so, convert the methane to less potent CO2 with a lower global warming potential, plus energy. It’s a good thing.

If you don't like someone's opinion, just move on.

This issue is festering, and people would rather screech about the Jan 6 non-insurrection, or some other nonsense about Trump. Nicaragua has announced that they are allowing the Russian military into their country for “humanitarian” missions, etc. Is there anyone left on the left in this forum who can think critically? This places the Russian military 1600 miles from the US border.

We are from a nation that has invented the phone, penicillin, and the Canadian arm, we invented tactics for a war that are still being used today after more than 100 years, and many more. And Carbon taxes are the best we could come up with...and if that is not lacking in imagination, then the government promises to give you back more than you put into it...And here is the rub, gas prices are higher now than at any time in history, or carbon prices could account for... and we are still driving like the taxes did not make a difference. Sorry Queen your explanation of voluntary taxes had my coffee come out of my nose... deep down they are all voluntary are they not don't like your income tax bracket stop making so much, don't like GST stop buying stuff, don't like taxes on your tires stop buying tires... Here is an alternative, lets invest in a new source of energy, new batteries for cars, nuclear power, let's do something, anything except tax the shit out of me, and then pretend to give it all back, and not do a damn thing about climate change. a lot of people drive a great distance to and from work every day, buying fossil fuels is not a choice right now, I live in the country, and in the winter due to the amount of snowfall i need a 4x4 truck, to get to work, or use a holiday, I only get 20 holidays a year, and last year we had 30 snow days...If I don't get to work I don't get paid...I know tough shit, your problem...We just spent 450 billion dollars on a pandemic in one year, why can't we spend the same amount and fix climate change... ya I know crazy shit right...Just turn the oven on now and get it over with.

Stop calling people murderers and maybe they will take you seriously. Meanwhile, go fuck yourself.