Potential for Poilievre to lose even more - another floor crosser crosses the floor

[eyeball]

The end is nearing closer.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/another-conservative-mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals/

[Politics1990]

sadly he will pass his  thing in jan the main con supporterslove him

[taxme]

45 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The end is nearing closer.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/another-conservative-mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals/

Another WEF pro Zionist globalist communist traitor to Canada. This floor crossing nonsense needs to end. This traitor was elected to represent the people in his community. The conservative party is full of lieberals wearing conservative clothing. This is why Canada should not exist any longer. Canada is full of lieberal globalists traitor communists who despise Canada. I can only hope that one day soon Alberta separates from communist Canada. Canada has become nothing more but a woke, broke and soon to be bankrupt 3rd world multicultural hell hole of a communist country. 

Prove me wrong, if you can? I will bet that no one here can, even you eyeball? If you can, go make your day!! 

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Canada has become nothing more but a woke, broke and soon to be bankrupt 3rd world multicultural hell hole of a communist country. 

Don't sugar-coat it Taxme, tell us how you really feel. 😉

It may be time to renew my membership for the coming CPC leadership race to replace Mr. Poilievre. I feel sorry for the guy but he is the author of his own destruction. He just refuses to listen to advice.

Edited December 12, 2025 by Queenmandy85

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Prove me wrong, if you can?

Well, we elect Members of Parliament to act in the best interests of the constituency, not a political party. This is taken more in the breech than in the observance, so when an MP does act in what they deem to be in the interests of their constituents, the partisans get their panties in a twist.

[ironstone]

20 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Don't sugar-coat it Taxme, tell us how you really feel. 😉

It may be time to renew my membership for the coming CPC leadership race to replace Mr. Poilievre. I feel sorry for the guy but he is the author of his own destruction. He just refuses to listen to advice.

What advice in particular? Should he be more of a red tory? Then the Conservatives become virtually indistinguishable from the Liberals.

He is always being called confrontational and divisive, but it's literally his job to hold the government to account. He's been very vocal in criticizing the Carney government for their poor record because they do in fact, have a poor record.

The leftists will laugh and cheer about this latest defection while Canada continues to be mired in mediocrity.

Carney is laughing too while he openly pursues his Brookfield agenda.

 

[Queenmandy85]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Should he be more of a red tory?

That is where the votes are. 

[ironstone]

14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is where the votes are. 

This is a conundrum for the Conservatives. I personally think their current policies would be better for Canada overall, as in more pipelines, much lower immigration, tougher sentencing for criminals, reduce wasteful foreign aid etc. I thought Erin O'Toole was more of a red-tory and he never gained any traction. Why vote for red tories instead of Liberals if the policies are basically the same.

I do concede that the federal Liberals are virtually unbeatable. They've had more than their fair share of political scandals and a pretty poor record since 2015. And yet, it doesn't seem to matter to most Canadians who are more consumed by their hatred of Donald Trump and PP's personality than they are about the actual state of the country.

Edited December 12, 2025 by ironstone

[TreeBeard]

48 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Should he be more of a red tory?

Only if he wants to be elected PM.  
 

 

32 minutes ago, ironstone said:

much lower immigration

This is demonstrably not better for the economy.  

[TreeBeard]

51 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I thought Erin O'Toole was more of a red-tory and he never gained any traction.

That is due to his own party.  

Edited December 12, 2025 by TreeBeard

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

This is demonstrably not better for the economy.  

Yes and it shows , i mean look at our health care, education system, policing , homes prices, almost every other department in the federal government....all over whelmed....SO yes bringing in more immigration is better for the economy HOW you figured that is questionable.........Carneys new housing plan will build 26000 new homes, (in 5 Years) but immigrations levels will be 5 million plus...That math has got to be good for the economy....I can't wait to see this country in 5 years...it's going to be an economical wonder.... 

[SpankyMcFarland]

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

This is a conundrum for the Conservatives. I personally think their current policies would be better for Canada overall, as in more pipelines, much lower immigration, tougher sentencing for criminals, reduce wasteful foreign aid etc. I thought Erin O'Toole was more of a red-tory and he never gained any traction. Why vote for red tories instead of Liberals if the policies are basically the same.

That may be true on a particular policy right now but the spectrum of possible policies between the two parties is quite different. 

 

11 hours ago, ironstone said:

I do concede that the federal Liberals are virtually unbeatable. They've had more than their fair share of political scandals and a pretty poor record since 2015. And yet, it doesn't seem to matter to most Canadians who aremore consumed by their hatred of Donald Trump and PP's personality than they are about the actual state of the country.

At the moment things are looking good for them. However, we live in very uncertain times. 

Trump is a strategic threat to our country. Hostility to him is entirely reasonable for Canadians. In fact I’m suspicious of any Canadian who still sings his praises. And his record of corruption already makes anything in Canada look trivial by comparison.

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Bad news for Poilievre, to state the obvious. He seems unable to adapt to the new conditions that have followed the arrival of asteroid Trump. 

Edited December 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[herbie]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Another WEF pro Zionist globalist communist traitor

Woof woof. 

[Moonlight Graham]

If the Liberals attain a majority then Carney needs to call another election ASAP.  If these crossing MP's had any ethics they would sit as independents if they didn't like their party.  They're directly stifling the will of the people.

PP needs to resign as leader.  He's a Republican in disguise and needs to go away.   His party is busy obstructing the House of Commons and Parliamentary committees like the GOP does in the US.  This needs to stop.  And he's a complete fool if he thinks Canadians are ever going to vote for this.

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Don't sugar-coat it Taxme, tell us how you really feel. 😉

It may be time to renew my membership for the coming CPC leadership race to replace Mr. Poilievre. I feel sorry for the guy but he is the author of his own destruction. He just refuses to listen to advice.

Or good sense.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Well, we elect Members of Parliament to act in the best interests of the constituency, not a political party. This is taken more in the breech than in the observance, so when an MP does act in what they deem to be in the interests of their constituents, the partisans get their panties in a twist.

This definitely doesn't describe our system LOL.  And I think most politicians act in their own best interests over the interests of their constituents or the country.

Edited December 12, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[John Stone]

.............. political hacks are generally opportunists ........moral character wrt supporting  Constituents vs. Party  is generally tempered against their popularity. 

That said, I'd say that IMO the Canucks are nowhere near as Partisan ........... separatist vote notwithstanding. 

Edited December 12, 2025 by John Stone

[Mandopete]

Who is the next one to cross ?

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If the Liberals attain a majority then Carney needs to call another election ASAP.  If these crossing MP's had any ethics they would sit as independents if they didn't like their party.  They're directly stifling the will of the people.

This is our system of government. We elect MPs, not parties. How they organize is their business. 

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

This is our system of government. We elect MPs, not parties. How they organize is their business. 

Yeah the idea that floor crossing is somehow anti democratic demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of our system of government.

That being said, I do think that floor crossing can sometimes be questionable and opportunistic.  The devil is in the details, to which we are often not privy.  A floor crossing in a swing riding where both parties are competitive feels a lot different than floor crossing in an entrenched riding where the candidate would never have won against the previous riding  party.  

Edited December 12, 2025 by Moonbox

[SpankyMcFarland]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Yeah the idea that floor crossing is somehow anti democratic demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of our system of government.

That being said, I do think that floor crossing can sometimes be questionable and opportunistic.  The devil is in the details, to which we are often not privy.  A floor crossing in a swing riding where both parties are competitive feels a lot different than floor crossing in an entrenched riding where the candidate would never have won against the previous riding.  

I would prefer to see it on a specific major issue, perhaps one of conscience. Of course, there are big public smiles for a floor crosser from the team getting bigger but the trustworthiness of such a person would have to be questioned. 

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, ironstone said:

This is a conundrum for the Conservatives. I personally think their current policies would be better for Canada overall, as in more pipelines, much lower immigration, tougher sentencing for criminals, reduce wasteful foreign aid etc. I thought Erin O'Toole was more of a red-tory and he never gained any traction. Why vote for red tories instead of Liberals if the policies are basically the same.

I do concede that the federal Liberals are virtually unbeatable. They've had more than their fair share of political scandals and a pretty poor record since 2015. And yet, it doesn't seem to matter to most Canadians who aremore consumed by their hatred of Donald Trump and PP's personality than they are about the actual state of the country.

I think the conservatives have good ideas but, as you imply, they have real difficulty getting them across. PP has become nothing more than a complaining laughing stock. I truly believe a new leader will be able to what the conservatives to the promised land (to be the government).

The polls suggest many, if not most Canadians prefer the conservative party over the liberals, it is also clear that more then half the Canadians polled believe Carney is a better choice for PM than Polievere. Therein lies the conundrum...dislike the leader so much that the party as a whole is crestfallen doomed to second place.

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I would prefer to see it on a specific major issue, perhaps one of conscience. Of course, there are big public smiles for a floor crosser from the team getting bigger but the trustworthiness of such a person would have to be questioned. 

Perhaps Mr Ma's reasons are cumulative??? 

Perhaps he sees PP's decline in popularity and thereby making the party ineffective is something he can no longer tolerate?

Mr Polievere could not even be gracious to Mr Ma.  That seems to be the mindset of the party...or is it only the leader?

[SpankyMcFarland]

We are in a bitter trade war started by our closest ally. That means the job description of the leader of the Official Opposition has changed. The harshest words should be reserved for a foreign country that has betrayed our friendship and is threatening to destroy our vital industries. At such a perilous moment, criticism of our government should look reluctant and reflective, not reflexive on every issue. There’ll be lots of time for old-style partisan fighting down the road but not now. Poilievre has failed to take this very basic point on board. He seems unable to even change his tone. Ironically, doing the right thing might improve his own favourability numbers with Canadians. 

Edited December 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Perhaps Mr Ma's reasons are cumulative??? 
 

Maybe. We are also in an unprecedented national crisis where the last thing we need is a government that can’t get its legislation through and govern effectively. To be fair to Mr. Ma, this could also be affecting his thinking. 

 

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Perhaps he sees PP's decline in popularity and thereby making the party ineffective is something he can no longer tolerate?

Yes.

 

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Mr Polievere could not even be gracious to Mr Ma.  That seems to be the mindset of the party...or is it only the leader?

In fairness, I wouldn’t fault any party leader for a visceral response immediately after such an event. It’s a shock. 
 

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland