Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

[paxamericana]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

America shitty electrical grid being made even shittier by an incompetent

This is the wrong take. America is ushering in a new age of Nuclear energy. This is before you consider the fact that the US has a known natural gas reserve of over 500 years even at current consumption level. Or the fact that America’s geography supports both wind and solar generation in larger quantities than any other nation. America is energy rich. We are not an energy dependent nation. Energy export technology currently only exists for oil and LnG . There is currently no way to export renewable energy at scale. 

[BeaverFever]

On 9/18/2025 at 7:57 PM, User said:

Yes, as you often do, you ran away from the discussion where it was explained to you that makes it worse when it comes to methane. Burning metallurgical coal to make steel continues to release greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Like I said, you chicken little climate alarmists are full of shit. 

 

 

 

But we all need steel. Burning coal for steel is a necessary evil.

We don’t need to burn coal for energy the fact that republicans want to not only continue this unnecessary pollution but increase it just to “pwn the libs” and their crony capitalism. It’s ridiculous you would try to equate the two.   But that’s your specialty, equating 2 things that have nothing in common. 
 

Anyways as I have pointed out to you several times now, this thread isn’t about the environment, it’s about America’s shitty decrepit power grid that Trump is making even worse just when electricity demand is expected to increase exponentially.  You’re just trying to change the subject because you know you don’t have a leg to stand on and you’re grasping at straws 

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But we all need steel. Burning coal for steel is a necessary evil.

We don’t need to burn coal for energy the fact that republicans want to not only continue this unnecessary pollution but increase it just to “pwn the libs” and their crony capitalism. It’s ridiculous you would try to equate the two.   But that’s your specialty, equating 2 things that have nothing in common. 
 

Anyways as I have pointed out to you several times now, this thread isn’t about the environment, it’s about America’s shitty decrepit power grid that Trump is making even worse just when electricity demand is expected to increase exponentially.  You’re just trying to change the subject because you know you don’t have a leg to stand on and you’re grasping at straws 

But @robosmith post how more than 50% of the electricity is coming from renewable this year while prices are going up. 

[User]

27 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

But we all need steel. Burning coal for steel is a necessary evil.

ROFL, so, this is the dumb dishonest game you play. 

First, you lie trying to claim it is not as bad. When you get called out for that, you just pivot to something else and now you try to justify it. 

Never mind your figures on what percentages of each were completely fabricated. Canada just keeps shipping more and more thermal coal over to China while you ignore and pretend you are saving the planet because you didn't burn it yourselves. 

You are a climate alarmist fraud. 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10392382/canada-coal-exports/

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Statistics published this month by the ports of Vancouver and Prince Rupert show 19.5 million tonnes of thermal coal were exported through their terminals last year.

That’s up from a little more than 18 million tonnes in 2022 and is almost twice the amount Canada exported in 2015 when the Liberals took power."

[WestCanMan]

On 8/30/2025 at 11:44 AM, BeaverFever said:

 

Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

Shocking.

Joe WilkinsAug 29, 3:19 PM EDT

The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country's already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.

The US grid isn't failing because of something that happened yesterday, or even back in February, it's failing because of decades worth of bad decisions.

Moving power generation away from tried-and-true, reliable sources like coal and nuclear to failed money-pits like wind and solar farms is the fault of climate cultists like you. 

[WestCanMan]

On 9/22/2025 at 6:12 PM, BeaverFever said:

But we all need steel. Burning coal for steel is a necessary evil.

We don’t need to burn coal for energy the fact that republicans want to not only continue this unnecessary pollution but increase it just to “pwn the libs” and their crony capitalism.

Lib-cultist logic: burning coal in North America, right at the places where it's mined, causes global warming, so let's load it onto trains, then load it onto ships, send it all the way across the Pacific to China, load it back onto trains, and burn it at coal-fired plants on the other side of the planet.

The only thing dumber was the covid cultists (still leftards) saying "My vax makes me perfectly safe from covid, but the unvaxed can still carry covid, and their covid might kill me."

 

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Lib-cultist logic: burning coal in North America, right at the places where it's mined, causes global warming, so let's load it onto trains, then load it onto ships, send it all the way across the Pacific to China, load it back onto trains, and burn it at coal-fired plants on the other side of the planet.

The only thing dumber was the covid cultists (still leftards) saying "My vax makes me perfectly safe from covid, but the unvaxed can still carry covid, and their covid might kill me."

 

Cancer might kill the democultists but they seem cool with that. 

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The US grid isn't failing because of something that happened yesterday, or even back in February, it's failing because of decades worth of bad decisions.

Moving power generation away from tried-and-true, reliable sources like coal and nuclear to failed money-pits like wind and solar farms is the fault of climate cultists like you. 

But that is the scam! Set up a system that will fail. When it starts to fail, subsidize it (and skim a little for yourself), then when it does fail, blame Republicans and claim it wasn't done right. 

This scam has been applied to every major progressive/liberal policy since the early 1900s.

 

[eyeball]

On 9/22/2025 at 6:46 PM, User said:

ROFL, so, this is the dumb dishonest game you play. 

First, you lie trying to claim it is not as bad. When you get called out for that, you just pivot to something else and now you try to justify it. 

Never mind your figures on what percentages of each were completely fabricated. Canada just keeps shipping more and more thermal coal over to China while you ignore and pretend you are saving the planet because you didn't burn it yourselves. 

Would you rather we ship it all to you so you can produce all the steel instead?

On 9/22/2025 at 6:46 PM, User said:

You are a climate alarmist fraud. 

🤔 Surely you're not a climate denier fraud.

[herbie]

That's why the tariffs, we can produce cheap hydro to make electrically intensive steel and aluminum more efficiently. 
Also explains rolling back on every Climate Policy, they're stuck firmly in the steampunk coal era.

[CdnFox]

On 9/22/2025 at 6:12 PM, BeaverFever said:

But we all need steel. Burning coal for steel is a necessary evil.

We don’t need to burn coal for energy

That's true, we could burn natural gas and you guys shut that down too. Would have been a lot better choice

Don't like it nuclear power either as a group I note

So here's the thing, we need power more than we need steel. In this day and age we could give up steal and survive without it before we gave up electrical power. Yet you are as a group against literally every single form of creating power that is reliable or consistent and produces power in the quantity that we need when we need it.

So it's pretty hard to take you seriously

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, herbie said:

That's why the tariffs, we can produce cheap hydro to make electrically intensive steel and aluminum more efficiently. 
Also explains rolling back on every Climate Policy, they're stuck firmly in the steampunk coal era.

???????????????????? Let us know when you stop buying chinesium and mixing it in with your own product, we might consider removing the tariffs then

[User]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Would you rather we ship it all to you so you can produce all the steel instead?

I would prefer you actually directly and honestly engage.

[BeaverFever]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Don't like it nuclear power either as a group I note

…Yet you are as a group against literally every single form of creating power that is reliable or consistent and produces power in the quantity that we need when we need it.

So it's pretty hard to take you seriously

You’re wrong about being against nuclear power, get with the times, opposition to it from “the left” ended a couple decades ago.  Carney is funding a big nuclear program as one of his first major national projects. Where have you been?

The non- conservative world is only against fossil fuels. Meanwhile Trump is killing renewable energy mega projects while spouting ridiculous and outrageous lies about it because the right is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry. 

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The US grid isn't failing because of something that happened yesterday, or even back in February, it's failing because of decades worth of bad decisions.

Moving power generation away from tried-and-true, reliable sources like coal and nuclear to failed money-pits like wind and solar farms is the fault of climate cultists like you. 

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Coal is the least efficient energy source per weight or per dollar and renewable is not failed money pit. The us power grid is a rickety ramshackle patchwork of mostly local, privately owned assets with very little overall management of the big picture. That’s why. 

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re wrong about being against nuclear power, get with the times, opposition to it from “the left” ended a couple decades ago.  

About a year ago the NDP in British Columbia just voted again to reaffirm the law that they had put in place years ago banning any electrical power generation from nuclear energy in British Columbia

They were still badmouthing nuclear power last year and are still against it. 

BC’s nuclear power debate not grounded in science | Andrew Weaver: A Climate for Hope

And that's one example of many many many on the left absolutely crapping on nuclear power. 

Maybe YOU'VE got your head screwed on straight but the vast majority of your fellow lefties have not. 

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 Carney is funding a big nuclear program as one of his first major national projects. Where have you been?

 

Prior to becoming Prime Minister, Mark Carney was an executive at Brookfield Asset Management, which, in partnership with Cameco, acquired a 51% stake in the nuclear firm Westinghouse in 2023. Carney has a blind trust and conflict of interest screens in place to manage any potential conflicts. 

 

LOL

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, User said:

I would prefer you actually directly and honestly engage.

Well, I've had the CO2 hypocrite card thrown at me over BC coal before when arguing against fossil fuels - notwithstanding the fact I've argued our coal should stay in BC instead of fuelling the fortunes of a human rights abusing dictatorship in China.

Then I'm labelled as an anti-capitalist commie... usually by the same people who play the CO2 hypocrite card.

It's just run-of-the-mill contrariness.

Q

[herbie]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Let us know when you stop buying chinesium and mixing it in with your own product

Yet again you display both of an ignorance of Canada and show off of your brainwashing about American excellence. 
Other countries produce many things better and cheaper than the USA can, any person with business knowledge knows to buy off them and produce what you do best. Not hide behind tariffs and pretense.

OOH we'll bring the making of clogs and smelt gold from old circuit boards in the garage over dung fires. The jobs, the jobs, they'll come back. USe your brains, not Trump's lack of.

Edited November 8, 2025 by herbie

[paxamericana]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

produce many things better and cheaper

It was never about the economics , it’s about security. We need to… re-industrialize the North American Continent. Consider tariff a slap on the wrist. Canada will eventually be integrated into America’s supply chain whether you like it or not. There are rules, and the rules says no Chinesium. 

[Nationalist]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

 Surely you're not a climate denier fraud.

Ya know...this statement...this accusation...makes no sense.

I've never heard anyone deny we have a climate on Earth. 

Now that we've established that your in opposition to nonsense...how 'bout you odd folks run along and find another reason to be scared. I understand the trannie community could use a leg up these day.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

how 'bout you odd folks run along and find another reason to be scared. I understand the trannie community could use a leg up these day.

You know they're going to. When climate change is no longer all the rage they will seek out and find some other damn thing that we're supposed to be terrorized about. And once again the solution will be to give up our freedoms or our money or both

[Nationalist]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You know they're going to. When climate change is no longer all the rage they will seek out and find some other damn thing that we're supposed to be terrorized about. And once again the solution will be to give up our freedoms or our money or both

Always the same theme eh? Big government that hands out free, subsistence living. A nation chalk full of tent cities and dispare. But at least you eat...KD...4 times a week.

The end-game...global central authority.

Oh goodie...

Edited November 8, 2025 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Coal is the least efficient energy source per weight or per dollar

Reliability trumps every other factor.

FYI energy isn't an option, it's a necessity.

Spending money on energy sources that crap out during the times of highest demand is almost 100% wasted.

• "Geez, it sure woulda been nice if we had as much electricity in December as we did in July. Our kids and my mom would still be alive."

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and renewable is not failed money pit.

What's another word for "Billions spent on a wind farm that just killed a bunch of birds, made unbearable noise, made the skyline ugly AF, never worked when we needed it, and then crapped out entirely?"

What's another word for "Billions spent on a solar farm that only really works during the summer months, when we don't use as much energy?"

When was the last time a coal-fired plant just failed like that?

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The us power grid is a rickety ramshackle patchwork of mostly local, privately owned assets with very little overall management of the big picture. That’s why. 

Let4rd mismanagement and overregulation killed existing power supplies and prevented the creation of new, reliable sources of energy, and it was all based on pseudoscience and Greta Thunberg kookery. 

The US is facing serious problem right now, and they are the exact problems that we warned you about, but you didn't listen. Now you're blaming computers and capitalism, of all things. 

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a rickety ramshackle patchwork of mostly local, privately owned assets with very little overall management of the big picture

You're dreaming of a power supply that's 100% controlled by Kamala Harris, AOC, Ihan Omar, Zohran Mamdani, and a bunch of other terrorist supporters. 

Geez, what could go wrong. F'n commie. 

Edited November 8, 2025 by WestCanMan

[BeaverFever]

On 11/8/2025 at 1:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

Reliability trumps every other factor.

FYI energy isn't an option, it's a necessity.

Spending money on energy sources that crap out during the times of highest demand is almost 100% wasted.

• "Geez, it sure woulda been nice if we had as much electricity in December as we did in July. Our kids and my mom would still be alive."

What's another word for "Billions spent on a wind farm that just killed a bunch of birds, made unbearable noise, made the skyline ugly AF, never worked when we needed it, and then crapped out entirely?"

What's another word for "Billions spent on a solar farm that only really works during the summer months, when we don't use as much energy?"

When was the last time a coal-fired plant just failed like that?

Let4rd mismanagement and overregulation killed existing power supplies and prevented the creation of new, reliable sources of energy, and it was all based on pseudoscience and Greta Thunberg kookery. 

The US is facing serious problem right now, and they are the exact problems that we warned you about, but you didn't listen. Now you're blaming computers and capitalism, of all things. 

You're dreaming of a power supply that's 100% controlled by Kamala Harris, AOC, Ihan Omar, Zohran Mamdani, and a bunch of other terrorist supporters. 

Geez, what could go wrong. F'n commie. 

Literally every claim you made in the above post is 100% made up bullshit, you don’t know what you’re talking about…as usual….the most right wing jurisdictions in Northern America ie Texas and Alberta have the worst problems with electricity grids and USA, the most right wing western nation,  has the worst problem with electricity grids. Meanwhile left wing electricity policies of Ontario Quebec Manitoba and BC have the most reliable grids. Ontario had a terrible costly and dysfunctional grid under right wing Mike Harris mismanagement. Doug Ford to his credit despite being a conservative has doubled down on the energy policies he inherited from the decade and a half of McGuinty-Wynne Liberals, which has made Ontario a leader in non-emitting energy especially nuclear.