Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

[Army Guy]

Another post when some one is throwing rocks at glass houses again....there has been plenty of studies in reference the Canadian power grid and how screwed up that is....but i get it, Canadians love throwing rocks at Americans ....it is our national sport...I'm surprised we don't have provincial teams...

[User]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What is not honest or factual, exactly?

Try reading that one more time... and besides, the last half a dozen times I have called you out for your clear lies, you just run away. 

 

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

It’s US thermal coal Canada is shipping to China. There is a lot of opposition to it.

No, it is Canadian coal Canada is shipping to China, and clearly not enough opposition to it. 

[herbie]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.there has been plenty of studies in reference the Canadian power grid and how screwed up that is....

Far less screwed up, far cheaper and far more fixable. You ca even vote out the govt that runs it if it pi$$ses you off. Not even comparable to the abortion of several private companies selling power in a single state.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Another post when some one is throwing rocks at glass houses again....there has been plenty of studies in reference the Canadian power grid and how screwed up that is....but i get it, Canadians love throwing rocks at Americans ....it is our national sport...I'm surprised we don't have provincial teams...

US electricity is 2x or even 3x the price of Canada’s and operates on much older generation and transmission infrastructure. Every province except Alberta (of course) has a centrally managed and publicly operated grid (Ontario still has some complexities from when far-right  premier Mike Harris trashed the province but basically still a centrally managed mostly public grid). Whereas US is just shitshow of various local and private players doing their own thing with very little coordination or interest in the bigger picture beyond their own immediate interests. 
 

Happy to join the Ontario anti-American rock throwing team. I got a nice hunk of Canadian Shield granite at the ready!

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

US electricity is 2x or even 3x the price of Canada’s and operates on much older generation and transmission infrastructure.

Where are you getting this BS from?

You just spew out crap, not caring one bit at all if it is true or not. I routinely call you out and then you run away.  From 2020 - 

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports that the average residential electricity rate in 2020 was 13.19 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh).

Overall, the Canadian Electricity Association reports that the average residential electricity rate across the country stood at 14.21 cents per kWh in 2020. 

https://scnow.com/brandavestudios/article_4e79d74a-e797-5c48-8d0f-d70f977a0fb5.html

 

Edited August 31, 2025 by User

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, User said:

Where are you getting this BS from?

You just spew out crap, not caring one bit at all if it is true or not. I routinely call you out and then you run away.  From 2020 - 

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports that the average residential electricity rate in 2020 was 13.19 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh).

Overall, the Canadian Electricity Association reports that the average residential electricity rate across the country stood at 14.21 cents per kWh in 2020. 

https://scnow.com/brandavestudios/article_4e79d74a-e797-5c48-8d0f-d70f977a0fb5.html

 

LOL Quebec’s rates go below 7 cents

 

See Here:

https://www.hydroquebec.com/data/documents-donnees/pdf/comparison-electricity-prices-2024.pdf
 

Also google electricity prices Canada vs ISA and the search results AI will tell you:

 

Canadians have paid less than Americans for electricity, although some Canadian cities now have higher costs than the US median

 

Price Comparison Examples (as of April 2024) 

 

• Montréal, QC: 8.05 ¢/kWh 
• Winnipeg, MB: 10.53 ¢/kWh 
• Vancouver, BC: 12.06 ¢/kWh 
• Boston, MA: 47.31 ¢/kWh 
• San Francisco, CA: 60.15 ¢/kWh 
• Toronto, ON: 15.06 ¢/kWh

and here:

Feasibility check: Why the US aluminium industry can’t afford to lose Canada

Once a global leader in aluminium production, the US now produces just 1.2 per cent of the world’s aluminium supply. According to the US Geological Survey (USGS), the US had a primary aluminium production capacity of 1.36 million tonnes in 2024, but only half of that capacity was in use, producing a mere 680,000 tonnes. To put this in perspective, the US imported over 4.8 million tonnes of crude and semi-manufactured aluminium products last year — and Canada alone supplied 2.6 million tonnes of that total.

Why the decline? The biggest culprit is cost — particularly the cost of energy. Aluminium smelting is incredibly energy-intensive, with electricity often accounting for up to half of production expenses. In the US, industrial electricity prices are significantly higher than in Canada, where most aluminium smelters are concentrated in Quebec. Thanks to abundant, low-cost hydroelectric power, Canadian smelters enjoy energy prices up to three times lower than their US counterparts.

This energy cost gap has real consequences. In 2024, for example, Century Aluminum closed its Hawesville smelter in Kentucky, citing soaring energy prices and resulting in the loss of 600 jobs. While the US has passed legislation like the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) to encourage clean energy projects, these efforts have yet to make a dent in the cost crisis facing US smelters.

Canada’s aluminium advantage

While US smelters struggle, Canada’s aluminium industry continues to thrive. A single smelter in Sept-Îles, Quebec, produced 628,000 tonnes of aluminium in 2024 — nearly matching the entire output of the US. This isn’t just about low energy costs, though. Canadian smelters are also leading the way in clean aluminium production, incorporating carbon capture technology and advanced recycling….

 

https://www.alcircle.com/news/feasibility-check-why-the-us-aluminium-industry-cant-afford-to-lose-canada-113385?srsltid=AfmBOor9uBWaiEQANv_kQjLTozHiuI-XqWFW_HZfZm-P1pOXKZ-t5rvV

[Legato]

12 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s not which is why i don’t even bother trying to translate you gibberish and trolling. 3 posts into this thread you still have not mustered an intelligent rebuttal to the OP, you’re just trolling. 

Okay Electricity grid in US is in need of repair, yes we get that. The you go on to blame Trump.

 The whole article is nothing more than a partisan attack, If you expect intelligent replies then post something intelligent.

 

[paxamericana]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Canada’s aluminium advantage

America does not need Canadian Aluminum. We can source it much cheaper internationally , and finished Aluminum for that fact. Skip the whole processing combined. Lowest cost is not why America put in place trade barriers. This is to protect strategic industry. The economic arguement is the wrong approach to view it. 

If we're going to cherry pick, North Dakota and Texas have the lowest electricity cost per kwh in the US, comprable to Canadian hydro when you factor in infrastructure cost. Solar and on shore wind being the lowest cost. Both of which are being deployed in mass in these energy rich state. 

[Nationalist]

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

Shocking.

Joe WilkinsAug 29, 3:19 PM EDT

The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country's already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.

A recent analysis by Bloombergunderscores just how dire it's getting. In the country's largest continuous grid — a 13-state monstrosity managed by PJM Interconnection LLC — the media company notes that power costs have set record highs for two years in a row.

Spanning from Indiana to eastern New Jersey, PJM's footprint includes some 65 million residents, as well as a constellation of tech industry mega-sites known as Data Center Alley. While the cost of electricity is expected to rise drasticallywith the growth of AI over the next few years, Bloomberg notes that, in PJM states like Michigan, Ohio, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, nearly 25 percent of residents already can't afford their utility bills.

While PJM is a titan among US power suppliers, it's not alone. Across the country, Bloomberg notes that electricity prices rose at over twice the rate of overall inflation over the past year, putting the national price at a near-record high.

As this is happening, the actual condition of the grid is decaying rapidly. A recent report by Bank of America found that nearly a third of transmission infrastructure, like high voltage transmission lines or substations, is already near or beyond its useful life span. Meanwhile, a whopping 46 percent of US distribution infrastructure, including utility poles and power line transformers, was found to be in a similar state.

That makes it all the more baffling that US president Donald Trump is waging an all-out-offensive on perfectly good green energy infrastructure, the kind that experts broadly agree maximizes grid flexibility, reduces energy costs, and enables economic growth.

Earlier this week, Trump's white house stopped construction on a massive wind farm in Rhode Island that was said to be 80 percent complete, as the president asserted that "wind doesn’t work." That project was estimated to provide enough juice to power some 350,000 homes across the east coast, and was just one of many imperiled by the returning administration.

That said, while Trump certainly isn't making things any better, the current crisis is decades in the making.

A major part of the problem is that the United States boasts the only macro grid in the world without a central plan. Unlike the singular grids managed by China or the EU, the US power system is a labyrinthian bureaucracy made-up of three separate grids, each a jumbled mess of various planning regions, territorial authorities, and public-private utility companies.

To get out of this mess will require a comprehensive overhaul of the current setup — one that the current commander is chief is highly unlikely to authorize..

 

https://futurism.com/electricity-usa-expensive-decaying?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fclimatechange

People...this is a lie of omission. Its a partial truth and is the much lesser part. The major culprit of rising energy costs is government regulations and taxes.

"At current levels the carbon price adds about 14 cents to a litre of gas. That will rise 3.3 cents per year until 2030, when it will add 37 cents." https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/06/29/climate-policies-and-fossil-fuel-clean-fuel-regulations-and-carbon-pricing-explained/

And that's in Canada where apparently the grid is in much better shape. 

These climate freaks want everyone to now think that rising energy costs are the sole result of infrastructure neglect. That's the "excuse du jour" as they now realize nothing they've done has produced any positive results.

This is nothing more than a transparent attempt to misdirect.

Its a LIE.

[BeaverFever]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

People...this is a lie of omission. Its a partial truth and is the much lesser part. The major culprit of rising energy costs is government regulations and taxes.

"At current levels the carbon price adds about 14 cents to a litre of gas. That will rise 3.3 cents per year until 2030, when it will add 37 cents." https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/06/29/climate-policies-and-fossil-fuel-clean-fuel-regulations-and-carbon-pricing-explained/

And that's in Canada where apparently the grid is in much better shape. 

These climate freaks want everyone to now think that rising energy costs are the sole result of infrastructure neglect. That's the "excuse du jour" as they now realize nothing they've done has produced any positive results.

This is nothing more than a transparent attempt to misdirect.

Its a LIE.

So an article about the cost and state of AMERICAN ELECTRICITY grid  is somehow debunked by a 2-year old article about a tax on CANADIAN GASOLINE that no longer exists?

[Nationalist]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

So an article about the cost and state of AMERICAN ELECTRICITY grid  is somehow debunked by a 2-year old article about a tax on CANADIAN GASOLINE that no longer exists?

Fck off Tweenkie-Poo. Your reign of fear and seething lies is failing and you know it.

[LinkSoul60]

 

U.S. utilities seeking big hikes in electricity rates as data center demand booms

Jul. 12, 2025 8:15 PM ETThe Utilities Select Sector SPDR® Fund ETF (XLU), VPU, ICLN, NGG StockPBW, ERTH, QCLN, SMOG, PBD, CNRG, ACESBy: Carl Surran, SA News Editor

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U.S. power companies have applied for permission to raise electricity prices by billions of dollars, driven by the costs of replacing aging infrastructure and powering data centers for artificial intelligence, according to a new report issued this week by energy affordability advocacy group PowerLines.

Utilities across the U.S. have requested or received approval to increase rates for this year's H1 by $29B, more than double the cumulative amount of rate increases requested and approved at this point last year, the PowerLines report said.

U.S. customers of National Grid (NYSE:NGG), for example, who are located primarily in New York and Massachusetts, are expected to see their monthly bills increase by up to $50/month as the utility received approval to increase its rates by $708M, according to calculations by the Financial Times.

"What we're... seeing is a deer-in-headlights dynamic," PowerLines executive director Charles Hua told FT. "A lot of states don't have a playbook for how they can meet rising demand while balancing affordability and utility bills."

The requested rate increases are also coming as coal and natural gas plants are being retired, with not enough replacement sources being built.

 

 

[Fluffypants]

Heres the truth we have completely went all in on solar and wind the most expensive inefficient energy sources we can go all in on without any kind of real breakthrough in years. We should of been banking on nuclear forever but liberals have been screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO no matter what. Fact is Nuclear has become safer and even cleaner with less waste.

Face it no matter how we go with energy generation there is good and bad. Gas and Coal are both plentiful and easy but dirty. Geo Thermal is great but very limited in where they can be placed same with Geothermal. Nuclear is both cleaner and more efficient than any other source we have right now and there is this irrational fear with it. If we start now it will take decades to get them all up and running but if we didn't stop to begin with wed have them coming online right now.

Edited August 31, 2025 by Fluffypants

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Fck off Tweenkie-Poo. Your reign of fear and seething lies is failing and you know it.

Lol so in other words you have nothing intelligent to say and are trolling with childish empty insults. As usual. Typical MAGA. 

[BeaverFever]

30 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Heres the truth we have completely went all in on solar and wind the most expensive inefficient energy sources we can go all in on without any kind of real breakthrough in years.

I don’t think any of that is true. Wind and solar are not the most expensive, in fact they are among the cheapest. And USA certainly hasn’t gone “all in” on those because of political interference and lobbying from traditional energy. 

 

30 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

We should of been banking on nuclear forever but liberals have been screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO no matter what. Fact is Nuclear has become safer and even cleaner with less waste.

That’s not true either. Liberals decided long ago that nuclear was the lesser of evils compared to fossil fuels and in places like ON and QC we have doubled down on nuke. USA still operates older ramshackle nuke technology because  upgrades are massively expensive and the fragmented decentralized and heavily privatized US power grid eliminates incentives for those kinds of massive investments.   Americans also don’t fully trust nuclear plants as safe, they have the memory of disasters like 3-mile island and numerous other corporate and environmental scandals, they’re generally aware that America can have lax regulation and enforcement  due to captive government, lobbyists, crony capitalism etc. 

 

31 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Gas and Coal are both plentiful and easy but dirty

Coal is one of the least efficient energy sources when measured by how much energy you get per weight or per dollar cost. The environmental damage also has other costs on the economy. But Republicans have consistently encouraged coal burning plants for political purposes. 

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Lol so in other words you have nothing intelligent to say and are trolling with childish empty insults. As usual. Typical MAGA. 

No. Im tired of your endless fear-porn and outright lies. You've lost jack-ass. Pretend you're a man and accept it.

[gatomontes99]

Facts:

Per duckduckgo.com AI assistant-

The average U.S. household consumes about 899 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity per month...

The average electricity rate in the U.S. is currently 17.47 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) as of August 2025. Rates can vary significantly by state, with some states having much lower or higher averages.

The average residential electricity rate in Canada is approximately CAD 0.192 per kWh, with significant variations by province. Quebec has the lowest rates at about CAD 0.078 per kWh, while the Northwest Territories have the highest at around CAD 0.41 per kWh.

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In USD, Canadians are about 0.03$ cheaper per KWhr. That comes to $27 a month. That is hardly earth shattering. Compared to how much more they pay in taxes, I think I'll take the 0.03$ per hour more. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

 

U.S. utilities seeking big hikes in electricity rates as data center demand booms

Jul. 12, 2025 8:15 PM ETThe Utilities Select Sector SPDR® Fund ETF (XLU), VPU, ICLN, NGG StockPBW, ERTH, QCLN, SMOG, PBD, CNRG, ACESBy: Carl Surran, SA News Editor

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U.S. power companies have applied for permission to raise electricity prices by billions of dollars, driven by the costs of replacing aging infrastructure and powering data centers for artificial intelligence, according to a new report issued this week by energy affordability advocacy group PowerLines.

Utilities across the U.S. have requested or received approval to increase rates for this year's H1 by $29B, more than double the cumulative amount of rate increases requested and approved at this point last year, the PowerLines report said.

U.S. customers of National Grid (NYSE:NGG), for example, who are located primarily in New York and Massachusetts, are expected to see their monthly bills increase by up to $50/month as the utility received approval to increase its rates by $708M, according to calculations by the Financial Times.

"What we're... seeing is a deer-in-headlights dynamic," PowerLines executive director Charles Hua told FT. "A lot of states don't have a playbook for how they can meet rising demand while balancing affordability and utility bills."

The requested rate increases are also coming as coal and natural gas plants are being retired, with not enough replacement sources being built.

 

 

The very last little paragraph 

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The requested rate increases are also coming as coal and natural gas plants are being retired, with not enough replacement sources being built.

And why are they being retired?

Liberal regulations make it too expensive to run.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t think any of that is true. Wind and solar are not the most expensive, in fact they are among the cheapest.

 

A peer-reviewed study of Germany and Texas concluded wind was 12 times and solar 38 times more expensive than fossil fuels.Mar 25, 2025

Geothermal energy is the most expensive renewable energy source in this list, costing a whopping $3,478 per kilowatt in 2022.Jul 25, 2025.

There you go again with the falsehoods.

 

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No. Im tired of your endless fear-porn and outright lies. You've lost jack-ass. Pretend you're a man and accept it.

LMAO the Republican party is nothing EXCEPT fear/porn and lies. 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Facts:

Per duckduckgo.com AI assistant-

The average U.S. household consumes about 899 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity per month...

The average electricity rate in the U.S. is currently 17.47 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) as of August 2025. Rates can vary significantly by state, with some states having much lower or higher averages.

The average residential electricity rate in Canada is approximately CAD 0.192 per kWh, with significant variations by province. Quebec has the lowest rates at about CAD 0.078 per kWh, while the Northwest Territories have the highest at around CAD 0.41 per kWh.

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In USD, Canadians are about 0.03$ cheaper per KWhr. That comes to $27 a month. That is hardly earth shattering. Compared to how much more they pay in taxes, I think I'll take the 0.03$ per hour more. 

1) most Americans pay more foe health industry alone than the average Canadian pays in income tax

2) the problem with your numbers is that they’re taking un-weighted averages including the remote sparsely populated laces in the far north. It’s also averaging peak rates that are not very applicable to most in real life

Residential rates here in Ontario  are 9.3 cents per kwh for the first 1000 kwh per month (which is average utilization) and 11.0 thereafter. If you have a smart meter and go on a time of use plan you can go as low as 2.6 cents overnight and 7.6 cents off-peak, evenmid/peak is cheaper at 12.2 cents per kwh. The only rate higher is during on-peak which a 5-hour window on weekdays

[Nationalist]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO the Republican party is nothing EXCEPT fear/porn and lies. 

Really?

Who was it who predicted the north pole would be thawed by 2013?

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/02/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-al-gore-said-all-arctic-ice-w/

That's right...a Libbie.

Who was that left cum stains on the furniture in the Oval Office and lied about it?

That's right...another Libbie.

Who said as POTUS he was powerless to close the border?

That's right...Brandon. 

Sigh...you were saying?

 

Edited August 31, 2025 by Nationalist

[gatomontes99]

23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) most Americans pay more foe health industry alone than the average Canadian pays in income tax

That isn't true. We pay more for insurance, not care. Plus, I can go to my doctor any time with no wait. Can you say that? 

 

44 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

2) the problem with your numbers is that they’re taking un-weighted averages including the remote sparsely populated laces in the far north. It’s also averaging peak rates that are not very applicable to most in real life

Average is average. Do you think we don't have rural areas? 

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

US electricity is 2x or even 3x the price of Canada’s and operates on much older generation and transmission infrastructure. Every province except Alberta (of course) has a centrally managed and publicly operated grid (Ontario still has some complexities from when far-right  premier Mike Harris trashed the province but basically still a centrally managed mostly public grid). Whereas US is just shitshow of various local and private players doing their own thing with very little coordination or interest in the bigger picture beyond their own immediate interests. 
 

Happy to join the Ontario anti-American rock throwing team. I got a nice hunk of Canadian Shield granite at the ready!

Not much of an argument is it, our system is better so we can throw rocks when our system will not support future needs in the near future...And according to our own studies our transmission and generation some of it is still coal fired is also outdated considering the future loads our government wants to put on it, such as EV,s AI warehouses, etc...And we do not have any serious plans to fix all of that...Canadians are good at pointing fingers when it suits them, but hate it when someone else points fingers back....we should get our own sh!t in a pile before we start shouting crazy things at our neighbors....

[robosmith]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Wow, that’s a lame comeback.
 

To recap: I posted an article which you couldn’t refute so you responded with gibberish that didn’t have anything to do with article and contained zero facts

That is the TROLLegato SOP...