Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You've already lost Sweetie. Nobody in their right mind believes you anymore.

That's what happens when you get caught lying endlessly.

Now put your mask on...go howl at the moon...and put a "ILLEGALS WECOME HERE" sign on your front yard.

Nope, it's you who doesn't even LIE, because you don't know what IGNORAMUS don't know.

That's what happens when you believe Trump and FOS LIES. LMAO

[CdnFox]

On 8/31/2025 at 9:11 AM, gatomontes99 said:

Facts:

Per duckduckgo.com AI assistant-

The average U.S. household consumes about 899 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity per month...

The average electricity rate in the U.S. is currently 17.47 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) as of August 2025. Rates can vary significantly by state, with some states having much lower or higher averages.

The average residential electricity rate in Canada is approximately CAD 0.192 per kWh, with significant variations by province. Quebec has the lowest rates at about CAD 0.078 per kWh, while the Northwest Territories have the highest at around CAD 0.41 per kWh.

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In USD, Canadians are about 0.03$ cheaper per KWhr. That comes to $27 a month. That is hardly earth shattering. Compared to how much more they pay in taxes, I think I'll take the 0.03$ per hour more. 

LOL no,  you've gotten that entirely wrong  

Our territories are not 'provinces' and represent a TINY portion of our population, 

It would be like taking the average person in wyoming and then applying that to california.  The vast vast majority of people pay a much lower rate. 

And you're not looking at business rates, where the real differences show up. 

Canada is blessed with cheap power by and large, and a direct comparison shows it's pretty substantial

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Lmao...as they build a coal fired plant a day. Right. Gawd, you are such a schill. 

 

China leads the world in renewable energy development and deployment, but is also the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases because of it's heavy reliance on coal.  They're rapidly pivoting to renewables to reduce their dependance on imported fossil fuels with a goal of net zero emissions by 2060.  
 

 

 

 

[Army Guy]

On 8/31/2025 at 5:02 PM, robosmith said:

IF there are so many "studies" why can't you post even ONE? LMAO

You know your EMPTY claims and $5 can buy you a cup of coffee at Horton's

Sure, Canada's electrical grid requires more than 400 billion dollars in new investments to meet New liberal policies...that's a lot of donuts for a country drowning in debt....Not to mention that each province is not self sufficient when it comes to power NB, PEI, NS buy power off Quebec and NFLD, in NB case its only Nuclear power site may or may not be closed due to it's age...they are looking at SMR's but these will not replace all the power coming from that one aging nuclear plant...If you need more I'm sure you can use goggle...

 

Earlier this month, when the federal government announced new regulations to get Canada's grid to net zero by 2035, it said its modelling shows more than $400 billion is needed to replace aging facilities and expand generation capacity in the country's electrical grid. Without such investments, the government suggests, Canada may be unable to respond to the pressure placed on the system from electric heating and cooling systems, electric vehicles and population and economic growth.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/electrification-grid-ev-heating-1.6935663

 

 

Canada's electrical grid in extreme weather...and with climate change changing our weather conditions....

Liberal government plans to be carbon free electrical grid before 2035....here is what needs to be done to reach that goal...because our current electrical grid will not sustain current levels with out fossil fuels....add to this the Liberal government mandate of EV by 2035 and these numbers will not be sufficient... 

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/2024-10/implications-of-decarbonizing-canadas-electricity-grid.pdf

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/provinces-lack-power-grids-necessary-meet-ottawas-ev-mandate

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

China leads the world in renewable energy development and deployment, but is also the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases because of it's heavy reliance on coal.  They're rapidly pivoting to renewables to reduce their dependance on imported fossil fuels with a goal of net zero emissions by 2060.  
 

 

 

 

A goal huh?

For the last several years China has added an entire canada's worth of emissions every 15 - 18 months. 

Tell you what, when they hit their goal in 2060 come back and talk to us. 🙄 And if you're fine with the world's biggest emitter not getting a handle on things till 2060 or later then obviously this isn't much of a threat

[User]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 

China leads the world in renewable energy development and deployment, but is also the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases because of it's heavy reliance on coal.  They're rapidly pivoting to renewables to reduce their dependance on imported fossil fuels with a goal of net zero emissions by 2060.  
 

 

 

 

2060... and you folks pushing this OMG the climate! are saying if we don't do something now, it is going to be TOO LATE

We are like 7 years into the last 12 year timeline folks were pushing. 

But sure, 2060... China's emissions are still increasing every year, while you ignore them and criticize everyone else. 

[WestCanMan]

On 8/30/2025 at 11:44 AM, BeaverFever said:

 

Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

Shocking.

Joe WilkinsAug 29, 3:19 PM EDT

The US electrical grid is facing a stress test like never before. Thanks to a perfect storm of AI power consumption, climate crisis, crony capitalism,  and a president bent on uprooting perfectly good energy infrastructure, the country's already-struggling power system is rapidly crumbling as costs balloon into the stratosphere.

Like everything you say and everything that you cite, that was stupid.

1) Climate crisis 😂

2) "uprooting good energy infrastructure" is not actually what that article talks about. He cancelled some shitty energy projects that were in the works, and re-started them along with better ones, but he didn't "uproot" anything that was already completed. 

[WestCanMan]

It's weird that left4rds suddenly care about cancelled energy projects, and the cost of energy. 

You'd almost think this has more to do with "cultists looking for a reason to puss and moan about Trump".

[Nationalist]

21 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

They're being retired because everything has a shelf life, and energy investments are toward cleaner sources.

Too expensive or not, you/we will all be paying for it just like you would if they were foolish enough to start up a coal burning plant.

No.

The taxes are regulations are going to be done away with.

 

[Nationalist]

19 hours ago, eyeball said:

And you've won. Emissions are up, action is down the leash is coming off. And you're still whining. Can't you even pretend to be a little more grateful?

No.

But I can tell you to take your hatred for the human race, and climb back down the hole you came from.

[LinkSoul60]

51 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No.

The taxes are regulations are going to be done away with.

 

Whether you agree or don't the transition to cleaner forms of energy has been long ongoing and will continue in that direction.

What world do you live in....  Taxes and regulations are not going away in this or any other lifetime. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Whether you agree or don't the transition to cleaner forms of energy has been long ongoing and will continue in that direction.

What world do you live in....  Taxes and regulations are not going away in this or any other lifetime. 

Lol...no...it won't continue. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No.

But I can tell you to take your hatred for the human race, and climb back down the hole you came from.

And when it turns out that the professional climate scientists are right and YOUR AMATEUR OPINIONS are WRONG, it is you who will be proven it is YOUR ARROGANCE and hatred for the human race. IF you're still alive.

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And when it turns out that the professional climate scientists are right and YOUR AMATEUR OPINIONS are WRONG, it is you who will be proven it is YOUR ARROGANCE and hatred for the human race. IF you're still alive.

Lol...say g'bye to your dictatorship Sally.

Its over.

[robosmith]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...say g'bye to your dictatorship Sally.

Its over.

Did you  have a stroke? Call a doctor stat.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Whether you agree or don't the transition to cleaner forms of energy has been long ongoing and will continue in that direction.

 

As the technology of develops perhaps. But it isn't going to happen tomorrow because the technology isn't there

So if anybody who claims to care about the environment actually cared about the environment, they wouldn't be demanding that we moved to technology that is incomplete and can't solve our problems, they would be demanding that we spend money on research to find the technology solutions we need to actually transition.

It tells you all you need to know that they don't

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Whether you agree or don't the transition to cleaner forms of energy has been long ongoing and will continue in that direction.

 

As the technology of develops perhaps. But it isn't going to happen tomorrow because the technology isn't there

So if anybody who claims to care about the environment actually cared about the environment, they wouldn't be demanding that we moved to technology that is incomplete and can't solve our problems, they would be demanding that we spend money on research to find the technology solutions we need to actually transition.

It tells you all you need to know that they don't

[BeaverFever]

On 9/1/2025 at 9:18 PM, WestCanMan said:

Like everything you say and everything that you cite, that was stupid.

1) Climate crisis 😂

2) "uprooting good energy infrastructure" is not actually what that article talks about. He cancelled some shitty energy projects that were in the works, and re-started them along with better ones, but he didn't "uproot" anything that was already completed. 

Climate change is real. And he did kill renewable projects   In fact he’s put a moratorium on them. There’s nothing “shitty” about them.   

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Climate change is real. And he did kill renewable projects   In fact he’s put a moratorium on them. There’s nothing “shitty” about them.   

Climate change is real, but it has been very very poorly demonstrated that it's a crisis. There is a difference. Most people will admit that climate change happens all the time, there's nothing weird about that, but when you ask for the evidence that it's a crisis all of a sudden nobody can produce anything. There was a. Of time on this board where there were like five or six constantly asking for any actual hard evidence that the climate change situation was a crisis and that anything we can do would change it and despite massive amounts of whining and whinging nobody produced a single thing in all those exchanges.

A lot of people it's just doesn't seem like what you think it is. They are more likely to say we need to adapt, and overtime new technology will allow us to move away from greenhouse gasses more and more and there's no need to panic about it

If you believe climate change is a crisis then you and your side of that equation need to do a much much better job of demonstrating that

[BeaverFever]

54 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Climate change is real, but it has been very very poorly demonstrated that it's a crisis.

LMAO so the record setting wildfires droughts and natural disasters year after year aren’t a crisis ?  Will you tell your dear Republicans that because they keep whining about smoke from Canada that apparently isn’t a big deal according to you. 
 

Let’s recall that at the time of Al Gore’s “inconvenient truth” the Republican consensus (which many still hold) was that climate change is a hoax and nothing is changing at all. But even those dense right wing doorstops had a rare recognition of reality which is itself a miracle that only a crisis could accomplish. They now admit it’s happening but they can’t admit it’s human- caused and they certainly don’t think we should do anything about it. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO so the record setting wildfires droughts and natural disasters year after year aren’t a crisis ?  

No.  They're things we need to adapt to but ,,, hate to break it to ya but we've always had wildfires, and there's always been droughts etc. 

IF there's going to be more then you cope with it. But that's not a crisis. 

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Will you tell your dear Republicans that because they keep whining about smoke from Canada that apparently isn’t a big deal according to you. 

Sure, get them on the line  

And i love that somehow i've taken ownership of the reublican party now  

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s recall that at the time of Al Gore’s “inconvenient truth” the Republican consensus (which many still hold) was that climate change is a hoax and nothing is changing at all.

Not the consensus.  More like it's not a crisis.  And the inconvenient truth was thoroghly debunked and not allowed to be used for education because it has so many falsehoods. That doesn't help. 

And once again.....  not a single drop of actual science from you on the subject. Which is what we've come to expect from the left. Nothing to say it's a crisis and nothing to say anything we can do will substantially impact that crisis.

Your entire scientific argument seems to be "climate change makes repulicans angry about smoke also republicans bad!! Bad!!".  That's not terribly helpful  

As far as i can see climate change will require we adapt and there's always transitions when the climate changes (go read up on the 1300's if you want to see how badly climate change affected people in the past) BUT:

a) we're more able to adapt today than ever in our history so it shouldn't be a problem, 

b) many of the changes will actually benfit canada so, silver lining. 

c) i've seen nothing to suggest anything we can do at all in canada will make even a slight differrence in climate change ,

d) if it were a real threat those who advocate for it would take it seriously. Instead we get 'inconvenient truth' that turns out to be 'inconvenient lie', we ban chinese ev's in canada for economic reasons to make the states happy even tho it would make transitioning much easier and affordable for many and the big plan that was going to solve all our problems was a carbon tax, which did zero and they KNEW it would do zero. 

Hell the 'climate people' and 'environmental activists' are still shunning nuclear power.

Can't take any of this seriously, and nothing you've presented even remotely hints that we should. 

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There was a. Of time on this board where there were like five or six constantly asking for any actual hard evidence that the climate change situation was a crisis

The biggest piece of evidence that climate change is a crisis is the IPCC that was created by the United Nations to address the situation.

Why on Earth would all the planet's countries do such a thing if it wasn't a crisis situation?

Oh, and it's evidenced even better by the deliberate never-ending effort to create indifference to it.

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by eyeball

[gatomontes99]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

The biggest piece of evidence that climate change is a crisis is the IPCC that was created by the United Nations to address the situation.

Why on Earth would all the planet's countries do such a thing if it wasn't a crisis situation?

Power.

If you can control the energy you can take over the world. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Climate change is real.

Ok Dr Greta.

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And he did kill renewable projects   In fact he’s put a moratorium on them. There’s nothing “shitty” about them.   

Cancelling and uprooting are totally different things, just FYI. 

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

The biggest piece of evidence that climate change is a crisis is the IPCC that was created by the United Nations to address the situation.

Why on Earth would all the planet's countries do such a thing if it wasn't a crisis situation?

 

Because now they get big fat expense accounts and extra pay etc etc.  bureaucrats love more bureaucracy, it's very profitable for them. So if that's the 'biggest evidence", then there's no evidence at all. 

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Oh, and it's evidenced even better by the deliberate never-ending effort to create indifference to it.

I don't understand why you feel the need to say ever increasingly stupid things, but i do admire your dedication to it    

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because now they get big fat expense accounts and extra pay etc etc.  bureaucrats love more bureaucracy, it's very profitable for them. So if that's the 'biggest evidence", then there's no evidence at all.

So it's really just a crisis of transparency and accountability... interesting.