Electricity Is Becoming Unbelievably Expensive as the US Power Grid Decays Into Ruin

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Literally every claim you made in the above post is 100% made up bullshit, you don’t know what you’re talking about…as usual….the most right wing jurisdictions in Northern America ie Texas and Alberta have the worst problems with electricity grids and USA, the most right wing western nation,  has the worst problem with electricity grids. Meanwhile left wing electricity policies of Ontario Quebec Manitoba and BC have the most reliable grids. Ontario had a terrible costly and dysfunctional grid under right wing Mike Harris mismanagement. Doug Ford to his credit despite being a conservative has doubled down on the energy policies he inherited from the decade and a half of McGuinty-Wynne Liberals, which has made Ontario a leader in non-emitting energy especially nuclear. 

You are little more than the one of the most partisan yapping dogs on this forum.

No, Wyoming is the most “right wing” state and their power is one of the most reliable.

You just start with your premise of being such an obtuse partisan and then work backwards to try to ignorantly and/or dishonestly pound your responses to fit.

 

[paxamericana]

I don't why OP's premise this issue as something bad. It is not. America is projected to have growing electricity demand because we are reindustrializing. From AI to Manufacturing. There will be a increased demand for power, a growing problem, a good problem. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Literally every claim you made in the above post is 100% made up bullshit, you don’t know what you’re talking about…as usual….the most right wing jurisdictions in Northern America ie Texas and Alberta have the worst problems with electricity grids and USA, the most right wing western nation,  has the worst problem with electricity grids. Meanwhile left wing electricity policies of Ontario Quebec Manitoba and BC have the most reliable grids. Ontario had a terrible costly and dysfunctional grid under right wing Mike Harris mismanagement. Doug Ford to his credit despite being a conservative has doubled down on the energy policies he inherited from the decade and a half of McGuinty-Wynne Liberals, which has made Ontario a leader in non-emitting energy especially nuclear. 

Dude that's nonsense.

Alberta's energy grid has been absolutely rock solid until they tried to introduce a bunch of solar for environmental reasons. Texas has always been solid too but climate change and such they had a winter that was far colder than anything they've experienced the grid wasn't ready for it. That had more to do with pipes freezing so to speak then it did with lack of supply

And no, the united states does not have the worst electrical grid or even remotely close. It's actually got a pretty incredible electrical grid considering their size, the strain on their electrical grid comes from the fact that they are Creasing their need at insane speeds due to their massive success as a industrial Powerhouse as well as their growth in population. And the states that have the most trouble are states like California that tried to go all solar

Doug ford is done nothing to increase ontario's new killer power as of this moment. And the lefties are the ones who kill nuclear power so if you're going to tell that as an example of good Environmental Policy then once again the left fails.

And considering that Ontario's first nuclear power was brought in by Leslie Frost, a conservative, if Doug Ford actually does get some nuclear stuff built then it will have been 100% conservatives who did it

The problem the US has right now is that they are trying to integrate a lot of renewable energy that unfortunately they have no way yet of effectively storing. So they often don't have energy when they really need energy even though overall they're capable of producing more energy than they need on average

 

When the day rolls around that we develop energy storage that's as efficient and useful as a gas can, and I do believe we will, then these Renewables can take a front line position and replace other emitting forms of energy but we are not there

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I don't why OP's premise this issue as something bad. It is not. America is projected to have growing electricity demand because we are reindustrializing. From AI to Manufacturing. There will be a increased demand for power, a growing problem, a good problem. 

This is largely true.  However, there is the fact that America has been making a significant effort to move to renewables such as solar, and the problem is that because those aren't 'always on' technologies you tend to design everything around 'peak' demands and such.  But a lot of the industrialization, such as the big AI farms, don't have 'Peak' hours per se, they're hungry 24/7.  The current system may well be able to provide more than it needs at one point but not enough at another point. 

It will require adaptation and rethinking.

[gatomontes99]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Literally every claim you made in the above post is 100% made up bullshit, you don’t know what you’re talking about…as usual….the most right wing jurisdictions in Northern America ie Texas and Alberta have the worst problems with electricity grids and USA, the most right wing western nation,  has the worst problem with electricity grids. Meanwhile left wing electricity policies of Ontario Quebec Manitoba and BC have the most reliable grids. Ontario had a terrible costly and dysfunctional grid under right wing Mike Harris mismanagement. Doug Ford to his credit despite being a conservative has doubled down on the energy policies he inherited from the decade and a half of McGuinty-Wynne Liberals, which has made Ontario a leader in non-emitting energy especially nuclear. 

You conveniently left out California and Florida is the second most reliable in all of thr US, even with hurricanes. 

[herbie]

On 11/7/2025 at 9:16 PM, paxamericana said:

It was never about the economics , it’s about security

IF you believe that you are even stupider than Trump. That he cab even say out loud that Canadian goods are a security risk to the USA is almost as off the wall as the dupes that believe such shit.

Ya better stop buying hydro from us and it will get so much cheaper,eh?
You can fool some of the people all of the time.......

[paxamericana]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

When the day rolls around that we develop energy storage that's as efficient and useful as a gas can, and I do believe we will, then these Renewables can take a front line position and replace other emitting forms of energy but we are not there

There’s talk of hydrogen, splitting water using solar panel to supply the electricity. It’s theoretically possible but liquid hydrogen is not that easy to store, requiring cold storage and as mentioned it is less energy dense per unit volume. 

There are no good replacement for fossil fuels at the moment; at least for export. 

 

Edited November 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

IF you believe that you are even stupider than Trump. That he cab even say out loud that Canadian goods are a security risk to the USA is almost as off the wall as the dupes that believe such shit.

Ya better stop buying hydro from us and it will get so much cheaper,eh?
You can fool some of the people all of the time.......

It’s not like America wanted to tariff Canada okay. That’s like placing tariff on one of our own States. But you all broke the rules and there are consequences. Seriously, stop buying Chinesium, build out your mineral processing capacity, America will pay you for that. No need to import Chinesium, it’s for your own good. Consider these tariff as medicine. Quit being a backdoor for circumventing American policy.
 

Don’t forget, you’re an American. You live and play by our rules. Anytime you let being “non-American” get to your head remember the cost. 

Edited November 11, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

19 hours ago, paxamericana said:

There’s talk of hydrogen, splitting water using solar panel to supply the electricity. It’s theoretically possible but liquid hydrogen is not that easy to store, requiring cold storage and as mentioned it is less energy dense per unit volume. 

There are no good replacement for fossil fuels at the moment; at least for export. 

 

And the process is extremely energy and efficient. The technology just isn't there to do it on any kind of scale that would be meaningful. It's a shame because it would be a very elegant solution, we take water, we remove the hydrogen, we use the hydrogen to produce electricity, the output of which is water. Closed cycle, the perfect environmental answer. 

But we just can't do it with what we've got. Maybe someday

[BeaverFever]

On 11/10/2025 at 6:06 PM, gatomontes99 said:

You conveniently left out California and Florida is the second most reliable in all of thr US, even with hurricanes. 

So these are interesting exceptions, California has a largely privatized market-driven system like a red state while Florida has a heavily regulated centrally managed grid in some ways similar to a Canadian province. Florida Power companies are large corporations that are vertically integrated meaning they are responsible for end-to-end generation transmission and distribution in their service area. the rates they charge are based on their costs and require regulatory approval,  not driven by whatever they think the market will bear on a given day. California by contrast has all kinds of private market players and middlemen in various roles, little to no vertical integration. Famously Enron which owned very little power physical infrastructure ran all sorts of scams to rip off Californians as a power “broker”. 

[BeaverFever]

On 11/10/2025 at 12:53 PM, CdnFox said:

Alberta's energy grid has been absolutely rock solid until they tried to introduce a bunch of solar for environmental reasons. Texas has always been solid too but climate change and such they had a winter that was far colder than anything they've experienced the grid wasn't ready for it. That had more to do with pipes freezing so to speak then it did with lack of supply

And no, the united states does not have the worst electrical grid or even remotely close. It's actually got a pretty incredible electrical grid considering their size, the strain on their electrical grid comes from the fact that they are Creasing their need at insane speeds due to their massive success as a industrial Powerhouse as well as their growth in population. And the states that have the most trouble are states like California that tried to go all solar

Where are you getting this fake news from?  What you claim doesn’t even make sense. Solar doesn’t cause power outages and Ontario and Quebec have far more than Alberta and way better results.
 

Alberta and Texas suffer from the same problems they are decentralized deregulated privatized “energy islands” with very few ties to external grids In both jurisdictions the private generators only get paid when they supply electricity to the grid and not for maintaining standby generating capacity so there is chronic underinvestment and limited options when gas plants unexpectedly fail during peak demand as they did in both Texas and Alberta blackouts.  In addition both jurisdictions suffer from industry-captured government and therefore have weak enforcement and accountability  

Texas is not “rock solid” it has one of the worst blackout rates in the US especially over the past decade  

 

I don’t know where you get this “US grid is awesome” talk from, read the OP again USA has an old decrepit grid  

On 11/10/2025 at 12:53 PM, CdnFox said:

Doug ford is done nothing to increase ontario's new killer power as of this moment. And the lefties are the ones who kill nuclear power so if you're going to tell that as an example of good Environmental Policy then once again the left fails.

You literally have no idea what you’re talking about now you’re just spewing opposite of reality nonsense. There are all kinds of new power generation projects coming online in Ontario including new nuclear, we are leading the country.  There have been so many new announcements just this year alone. And Ive already corrected you on this, as I also pointed out “the left” hasn’t been anti-nuclear for a couple decades already  Why do you continue to repeat falsehoods after they’ve been debunked?

 

On 11/10/2025 at 12:53 PM, CdnFox said:

And considering that Ontario's first nuclear power was brought in by Leslie Frost, a conservative, if Doug Ford actually does get some nuclear stuff built then it will have been 100% conservatives who did it

Yeah Sorta I suppose.  Ontario had conservative governments for 40 years from the 1940s to the 1980s (the evil “red Tories” that the new populist conservatives seem to hate so much). So most of the nukes were ordered and built under conservative regimes.  Darlington started under conservative Bill Davis but continued under liberal David Peterson and NDP Bob Rae saw it to completion.    Liberals McGuinty and Wynne commissioned massive, multi-billion dollar multi-decade life extensions and refurbishments for all the nuke plants which Ford has inherited and expanded upon, and now Ford is installing 4 SMR reactors at Darlington, with billions of new funding from Carney. Work has just commenced on the first one, which will be the first SMR nuke in the G7 and is being closely studied by various American European and international utilities considering their own SMR nukes. Carney and Liberal Premier Holt in New Brunswick also recently discussed opportunities for New Brunswick’s nuke plant. 
 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 11/10/2025 at 12:53 PM, CdnFox said:

When the day rolls around that we develop energy storage that's as efficient and useful as a gas can, and I do believe we will, then these Renewables can take a front line position and replace other emitting forms of energy but we are not there

Ontario Breaks Ground on Canada’s Largest Battery Storage Project

Skyview 2 storage facility will have enough capacity to power nearly 400,000 homes
 

EDWARDSBURGH CARDINAL — Construction is now underway on the single largest battery storage facility ever procured in Canadian history, supporting the Ontario government’s plan to deliver reliable, affordable and clean energy to power the province’s growing economy and communities. Once complete, the new Skyview 2 Battery Energy Storage System will provide enough capacity to power nearly 400,000 homes, strengthening the province’s electricity grid and protecting Ontario workers and jobs by supporting a more competitive, resilient and self-reliant provincial economy.
 

…With electricity demand in Ontario forecasted to increase significantly by 2050, Skyview 2 marks an important milestone in Ontario’s clean energy transition and will play a vital role in supporting the province’s clean electricity grid. Once operational in 2027, the facility will store electricity from Ontario’s clean electricity grid during periods of low demand and return that stored power to the system when demand is higher, while creating up to 300 jobs during construction and additional operational positions following completion.

 

…The Skyview 2 project is a lithium-ion battery energy storage facility procured through the Independent Electricity System Operator’s (IESO) Long-Term 1 Request for Proposals(LT1 RFP). Developed in partnership between Potentia Renewables Inc. and the Algonquins of Pikwakanagan First Nation, the facility builds on other projects such as the Oneida Energy Storage facility, to bring Ontario’s total energy storage capacity to nearly 3,000 megawatts (MW) and collectively create up to 3,000 jobs across the province.

…

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1006716/ontario-breaks-ground-on-canadas-largest-battery-storage-project
 

 

And this isn't even the first its just the biggest 

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Ontario Breaks Ground on Canada’s Largest Battery Storage Project

 storage facility will have enough capacity to power nearly 400,000 homes
 

EDWARDSBURGH CARDINAL — Construction is now underway on the single largest battery storage facility ever procured in Canadian history, supporting the Ontario government’s plan to deliver reliable, affordable and clean energy to power the province’s growing economy and communities. Once complete, the new Skyview 2 Battery Energy Storage System will provide enough capacity to power nearly 400,000 homes, strengthening the province’s electricity grid and protecting Ontario workers and jobs by supporting a more competitive, resilient and self-reliant provincial economy.
 

…With electricity demand in Ontario forecasted to increase significantly by 2050, Skyview 2 marks an important milestone in Ontario’s clean energy transition and will play a vital role in supporting the province’s clean electricity grid. Once operational in 2027, the facility will store electricity from Ontario’s clean electricity grid during periods of low demand and return that stored power to the system when demand is higher, while creating up to 300 jobs during construction and additional operational positions following completion.

 

…The Skyview 2 project is a lithium-ion battery energy storage facility procured through the Independent Electricity System Operator’s (IESO) Long-Term 1 Request for Proposals(LT1 RFP). Developed in partnership between Potentia Renewables Inc. and the Algonquins of Pikwakanagan First Nation, the facility builds on other projects such as the Oneida Energy Storage facility, to bring Ontario’s total energy storage capacity to nearly 3,000 megawatts (MW) and collectively create up to 3,000 jobs across the province.

…

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1006716/ontario-breaks-ground-on-canadas-largest-battery-storage-project
 

 

And this isn't even the first its just the biggest 

Dude you seriously need to read stuff other than press releases

Let's do some math. The average home in Ontario uses just under 10,000 KW hours of power per year. That's the average

This facility according to the press release will bring the total Ontario capacity including this project and all others up to 3,000 megawatts

They claim this facility alone will power 400,000 homes

400000 * 10000 kwh  = 3,800  mega watts. 

So the ENTIRE BATTERY STORAGE of ontario,  AFTER this is built, won't power 400,000 homes. It would power them during average weather during non peak hours.  You didn't read the details.  And its' storage goes down in cold weather. 

And it's insanely expensive. It's 3/4 of a billion dollars not including land cost. A similar facility housing enough liquefied natural gas or heating oil to produce the same power could be built for less than 10 million. And it would require less maintenance less cost to operate and would need to be replaced a lot less quickly.

This is a perfect example of how we have failed to develop an energy storage system that works

 

Because you don't understand what you're reading you posted something that literally proves my point. I hope you learn something from that

As you have so kindly proven energy storage is nowhere near but it would need to be to allow us to switch in the near future. That day will come but it is not here

 

[BeaverFever]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude you seriously need to read stuff other than press releases

Let's do some math. The average home in Ontario uses just under 10,000 KW hours of power per year. That's the average

This facility according to the press release will bring the total Ontario capacity including this project and all others up to 3,000 megawatts

They claim this facility alone will power 400,000 homes

400000 * 10000 kwh  = 3,800  mega watts. 

So the ENTIRE BATTERY STORAGE of ontario,  AFTER this is built, won't power 400,000 homes. It would power them during average weather during non peak hours.  You didn't read the details.  And its' storage goes down in cold weather. 

 

LOL once again YOU are the one who is out of your depth. It doesn’t say the facility is meant to power homes “for a year”.   The purpose of grid scale batteries is to balance the grid and store energy during surplus/low demand and feed it back to the grid during high demand. 

So let me explain to you what you don’t understand::

1)  The industry has a standard rating for grid scale batteries in 4h cycles,  meaning the battery could be fully charged or discharged in 4 hours, which is the typical peak demand window.

2)   So they’re actually saying simply as point of reference that the scale of this one site is such that it could fully power 400,000 homes during peak times each day.  That’s roughly equivalent to a city of about 1 million people, for example the city of Ottawa which is just up the road from this site.  
 

Get it?

 

Edited November 13, 2025 by BeaverFever

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL once again YOU are the one who is out of your depth. It doesn’t say the facility is meant to power homes “for a year”.   The purpose of grid scale batteries is to balance the grid and store energy during surplus/low demand and feed it back to the grid during high demand. 

So let me explain to you what you don’t understand::

1)  The industry has a standard rating for grid scale batteries in 4h cycles,  meaning the battery could be fully charged or discharged in 4 hours, which is the typical peak demand window.

2)   So they’re actually saying simply as point of reference that the scale of this project is such that it could fully power 400,000 homes during peak times each day.  That’s roughly equivalent to a city of about 1 million people, for example the city of Ottawa which is just up the road from this site.  
 

Get it?

 

There is still no way to capture the energy the battery releases when it burns to the ground.

[WestCanMan]

On 11/10/2025 at 6:55 AM, BeaverFever said:

Literally every claim you made in the above post is 100% made up bullshit, you don’t know what you’re talking about…as usual….

STFU you God-damned liar. You're the only person on earth who still believes in Russian collusion, and now you are pretending to somehow be completely unaware of the abject failures of solar farms and wind farms all over the planet.

FYI just because you're unaware of something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

https://www.unilad.com/technology/news/ivanpah-solar-power-facility-switch-off-california-828436-20250927

^That^ is $2.2B US for a solar farm in California that doesn't produce 1 watt per year.  Does that project exist, dummy, or does it not? Did I make that up, or is the website a hoax, you sick little cultist?

If you take 1 second to do a google search you can find several other failed solar and wind farms. 

The f'ing nerve of you to accuse me of posting BS is OFF THE CHARTS..... I've proven you wrong every time you've ever replied to one of my posts and today is no different. 

Run away again, troll. 

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

LOL once again YOU are the one who is out of your depth. It doesn’t say the facility is meant to power homes “for a year”.  

 

Oh you mean I can power it for an afternoon? How is that remotely valuable   But I do appreciate you digging yourself in deeper

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If it can't hold the years worth of power then claiming to power homes is just a lie. The whole point was comparing it to something like a petroleum product which can be stored in sufficient quantities to be used all year on demand. That is no longer what you are talking about apparently

So no it's still you this got his head up his ass  

 

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The purpose of grid scale batteries is to balance the grid and store energy during surplus/low demand and feed it back to the grid during high demand. 

So in other words is completely useless by itself, it only serves to supplement petroleum generated power.

And costs an insane amount of money.

Again, thank you for proving my point

 

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So let me explain to you what you don’t understand::

LOL I always appreciate your willingness to look stupid  

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1)  The industry has a standard rating for grid scale batteries in 4h cycles,  meaning the battery could be fully charged or discharged in 4 hours, which is the typical peak demand window.

2)   So they’re actually saying simply as point of reference that the scale of this one site is such that it could fully power 400,000 homes during peak times each day.  That’s roughly equivalent to a city of about 1 million people, for example the city of Ottawa which is just up the road from this site.  
 

So it's useless other than as a minor peak balancing for dedicated power systems.

I said when battery technology is as efficient as gasoline for storage of energy we can look at switching and you propose this as an example of that being the case

It turns out you were 100% full of shit and this isn't even remotely a tiny bit close.

In fact according to you a facility that costs about eight times as much money as it would to build one that would store enough Petroleum to power An equal number of homes for a year Can only provide energy for about 4 hours.

And you're trying to suggest that this is the same thing. Dude you have gone from looking stupid to looking absolutely retarded

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Get it?

You were full of shit and completely didn't know what you were talking about and posted something that made you look dumb and now you look even more dumb?

Yeah I 100% get it. I got it when I first glanced at the story. It was very obvious you had your head up your ass

 

When battery storage is as efficient and cost-effective as the way we store chemical energy then it may be possible to switch over but that is not the case and as you have proven the current tech is expensive and falls about 8761 hours short of what it would need to do to be comparable. 

[herbie]

On 11/11/2025 at 1:09 AM, paxamericana said:

It’s not like America wanted to tariff Canada okay.

We know.

Trump did! All by his fat demented self. Backstabbed his most reliable trade partner and convinced his legion of fools as to why. Most of which are so f^cking dumb they still think we pay for the tariff nor them, and then throws a shit fit for pointing out that very fact.

[BeaverFever]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And it's insanely expensive. It's 3/4 of a billion dollars not including land cost. A similar facility housing enough liquefied natural gas or heating oil to produce the same power could be built for less than 10 million. And it would require less maintenance less cost to operate and would need to be replaced a lot less quickly.

What you misunderstand is that battery storage isn’t new power generation, it uses existing power generation by storing energy when it’s cheap to generate and discharging it when it’s expensive. So you’re not really comparing apples to apples. That said a gas peaker plant of comparable capacity is $300 Million per Chat GPT  but I note that there is currently a gas peaker proposal in the Ottawa area for $2.2 Billion which is nearly 4x the cost per MW compared to the battery site. In addition gas plants need to he constantly fed fuel and require more workers. 

2 hours ago, Legato said:

There is still no way to capture the energy the battery releases when it burns to the ground.

Why would it burn to the ground?  Right wing nutjob sabotage attack?

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What you misunderstand is that battery storage isn’t new power generation, it uses existing power generation by storing energy when it’s cheap to generate and discharging it when it’s expensive. So you’re not really comparing apples to apples. That said a gas peaker plant of comparable capacity is $300 Million per Chat GPT  but I note that there is currently a gas peaker proposal in the Ottawa area for $2.2 Billion which is nearly 4x the cost per MW compared to the battery site. In addition gas plants need to he constantly fed fuel and require more workers. 

Why would it burn to the ground?  Right wing nutjob sabotage attack?

So your saying lithium batteries are non combustible, thermal runaway is not a problem?

Left wing nutjob eyes wide shut.

 

[herbie]

Oh FFS he didn't say that at all, did he?
Did you know the lead in lead acid batteries can make you retarded and the acid can eat your face off?

Quit putting words in other people's mouth and bringing up minor obstacles as if they're killer arguments against shit you don't like.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

What you misunderstand is that battery storage isn’t new power generation,

Are you being deliberately stupid?

I was very clear, and Did you think the gasoline storage is some form of electrical generation on its own? Those are the two things being compared. The storage of energy. 

Again, because apparently you're having trouble with basic English, when electrical storage is as efficient and cost-effective as petroleum energy storage then things might be different. But that is not now

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So you’re not really comparing apples to apples.

It is absolutely Apples to Apples.

We dig petroleum up and stick it in a barrel to use later. We catch sunlight and turn it into electricity and stick it into a battery to use later. Both represent stored energy That has been harvested

Both of them require devices to create the actual electricity. Batteries create the electricity before storage and petroleum creates it after storage but they both make use of a facility to do that. We are strictly talking about the storage of energy

And if the storage is hundreds of times more expensive, then it doesn't' help that the electricity is cheap. 

 

let me try and come at this a different way so that you can understand. I can create a storage facility that houses enough petroleum product to guarantee electricity when needed 24 hours a day for an entire winter. That is efficient storage and guarantees power will be available when necessary

The battery system you mentioned can store enough energy to provide 4 hours of use. That's it. And it cost eight times as much money to do so.

There is no way that the battery system is even remotely close to being a replacement for the petroleum system. They aren't even remotely similar. The first one is vastly more efficient and less expensive for the same amount of energy.

Which isn't to say that battery storage is entirely useless but it's not a replacement. The absolute best you can say about it is it's a secondary system that helps reduce the complete dependency on petroleum but does not  eliminate it

We have no replacement for oil and gas products at this time. We are not even remotely close. We are not even in the ballpark

My belief is that day will come. But until it does we cannot stop using petroleum products as our primary source of power, unless we get nuclear figured out or accept in those areas that have excessively abundant hydropower. And that's just the way it is

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

STFU you God-damned liar

😂😂😂 Meltdown! MAGA Meltdown in aisle 7!  

 

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

now you are pretending to somehow be completely unaware of the abject failures of solar farms and wind farms all over the planet.

FYI just because you're unaware of something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

https://www.unilad.com/technology/news/ivanpah-solar-power-facility-switch-off-california-828436-20250927

^That^ is $2.2B US for a solar farm in California that doesn't produce 1 watt per year.  Does that project exist, dummy, or does it not? Did I make that up, or is the website a hoax, you sick little cultist?

If you take 1 second to do a google search you can find several other failed solar and wind farms. 

The f'ing nerve of you to accuse me of posting BS is OFF THE CHARTS..... I've proven you wrong every time you've ever replied to one of my posts and today is no different. 

Run away again, troll. 

* sigh *. Look you still don’t know wrf you’re taking about. When you dropped out of high school you chose to be stupider than others. Stupidity compounds over the years and now I have the shitty job of trying to undo decades of ignorance and brainwashing to explain basic facts. 
 

Basically you sent me a link to a story about car crash in a sensational pop culture  infotainment site to prove that all cars around the world are a failure and then when I click the link it’s actually an experimental go-kart and it never crashed, just being decommissioned after more than a decade. 
 

Ivanpah is not a conventional PV solar panel site it is a technology demonstrator that that went online in 2014 and uses mirrors to heat water that drives a steam turbine. It’s basically a steam-driven power plant, totally different tech. PV solar is highly successful all over the world. 

Ivanpah has operated for over a decade and delivered many GW of power, just never as much as hoped and at higher cost than hoped so it’s being decommissioned next year.  It did kill a lot birds though, the mirrors were so powerful birds could catch fire just by flying over them. But that’s nothing to do with actual PV solar which is what almost all solar is. 
 

Another “F” report card for your collection, dumbass. 

1 hour ago, Legato said:

So your saying lithium batteries are non combustible, thermal runaway is not a problem?

Left wing nutjob eyes wide shut.

 

No. You’re saying gas is non-combustible?

[BeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Are you being deliberately stupid?

I was very clear, and Did you think the gasoline storage is some form of electrical generation on its own? Those are the two things being compared. The storage of energy. 

Again, because apparently you're having trouble with basic English, when electrical storage is as efficient and cost-effective as petroleum energy storage then things might be different. But that is not now

 No but you are. Storing barrels of “gasoline” (fyi - power plants  don’t burn gasoline, they burn NG) isn’t the same as storing electricity. You can’t convert gas into electricity without a gas fired power plant. How do you not understand?

 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Batteries create the electricity before storage and petroleum creates it after storage but they both make use of a facility to do that. We are strictly talking about the storage of energy

And if the storage is hundreds of times more expensive, then it doesn't' help that the electricity is cheap. 

Batteries don’t create electricity, they just store electricity that’s been generated elsewhere.  How do you not understand the difference between storing electricity and storing something that is not electricity and can’t be made from electricity?  The problem isn’t that gas fired plants don’t have enough gas to burn during peak times. How do you not understand?  This isn’t that complicated. 
 

The storage is not “hundreds of times more expensive” than the alternative. The alternative to grid scale batteries is building more gas fired plants to run during peak times,  not storing more barrels of gas for the plants that already run during peak time. 
 

 

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12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 No but you are. Storing barrels of “gasoline” (fyi - power plants  don’t burn gasoline, they burn NG) isn’t the same as storing electricity. You can’t convert gas into electricity without a gas fired power plant. How do you not understand?

It's not relevant and I've come to realize you're not deliberately pretending to be stupid, you are the real thing.

Did you think that the electrical energy just jumped into the battery?  nothing created it it just walked in there on its own?

It's not relevant That the energy is harvested in one case before storage and one case after storage, it's still storage of energy. You understand what energy is right? I don't have to go through the basics of science with you do I?

You're making a nonsense argument because you know you've lost this discussion but you're not willing to let it go.

As evidenced by the fact that I clearly used gasoline as a catch all for any petroleum or liquefied natural gas issue.

Try being less pathetic, it's getting irritating

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Batteries don’t create electricity, they just store electricity

Ok, you are officially too stupid for this conversation.

With batteries you create the energy beforehand. How do you think the electricity comes into existence to put into the battery. How do you not understand that you have to create the energy and then put it into the battery?

 

 

So what's your reply boils down to is you realize you've said something stupid, I've called you on the stupid and I did so in a fairly nice way and rather than just accept that and move on you have become more and more and more stupid and you're trying to twist what I've said out of its meaning to make yourself feel better

. You've not only lost this one kid you've looked god damn stupid doing it. I usually expect better from you than this kind of pure I'll crap. This is the kind of stuff we see from Robosmith. 

As of this moment there is no way to store electricity as efficiently or as inexpensively as we store fuel of any type. And until we can everything you said is complete bullshit