Canadian need to see the root cause and logic behind Trump's decision making for responding it properly

[xul]

According to Gordon Chang's book The Coming Collapse of USA...LOL..He didn't write the book, but it would be better if he wrote one, for the sake of restoring his reputation as American #1 fortune teller.😜

Regardless whatsoever books may say, it is obvious that the US empire is on the fast track which leads to a Soviet styled collapse. In China there is an old proverb 树倒猢狲散, which literally means "When the tree falls, the monkeys scatter" .  But its true meaning, thanks James Cameron, who demonstrated it in his 2009 film Avatar:

In the real world, if US is that tree, Canada and other US's so-called allies, are those blue monkeys who live on the tree.

Of course, in the movie, the tree is political-correctly destroyed by the bad guy, the colonel. 

But in the real world, most trees fall just because of aging. Their trunks are hollow and their branches are rotten, so it can not carry so many monkeys living on it. If a tree could think and act like human, under such circumstance, the best way to save itself is to shake off these monkeys to reduce the load it carries.

Nowadays, the US empire is just like a huge but rotten tree. Its trunk, branches and leaves are still huge and magnificent, but its root, the manufacturing section has mostly gone. We all know that a tree can not live long without root, so if the US empire wants to survive, it has to rebuild its root. 

If we watch Trump's policy from this perspective, and consider he is the president of US not the  president of earth, which means America first😜, his decision making is quite reasonable.

1) His so-called madness---firing federal employees, sacking pentagon generals, disband USAID, cutting military aid to Ukraine....the ultimate purpose of all these is to reduce the spending of the federal government. If the root of a tree is rotten and can not supply enough nutrition to support the need of the entire tree, some leaves and branches should be shaken off.

But a tree can not make itself great...lol...I mean flourishing again by dropping off leaves.  So the 2nd step must be taken to repair its rotten roots.

2) How to bring manufacturing back to US? In 2017, Trump though he could achieve this by simply adding tariff on Chinese goods because China was the major manufacturer and exporter in the world. But after 8 years of trade war against China, the US has found it is like a lion trying to bring down an elephant. It's just an unwinnable war.

So this time, Trump turns to US's allies. The reason is simple: 

     a) In most industrial fields, these allies are actually American commercial competitors, like Airbus vs Boeing, Japanese/European/Canadian cars vs American cars, Samsung phone vs iPhone, Canadian oil vs US oil....etc.

     b) Unlike China, the wage level and production costs in these allies is similar with their American counterparts, which means it's much easier to bring industries and jobs back to US from these allies than from China.

      For example:

      If Trump wants to bring TV production back to US from China, US will need to rebuild the whole supply chain, which means hundreds of factories to produce all its components and parts to support it. If you tear down a TV to see how many parts and components in a single PCB you will know it. Trump can not achieve this goal within his second term. And if he can't make some progress which is visible to his voters within 2-3 years, I'm afraid prison will await him.

      But if he targets the steel industry in Canada, it will be much easier to achieve the goal within a short period of time, because the US still has steel industry so no need to rebuild it.  It will be much easier to increase production and train workers to replace imported steels. And unlike TV, he doesn't need to build a supply chain to make steels. So he can show the effect of his MAGA plan to his voters within just a few months to a couple of years.

This is the basic logic which makes Trump behaving like what we have seen now. It is delusional to think that Trump is just bluffing or all these "madness" will gone with him 4 years later.

 

 

 

Edited March 1 by xul

[herbie]

"Need to see"?

We live next door and have been watching it for decades. Since the border changed from 'welcome northern brothers' to 'you're just another f*cking foreigner' days.
WN, OR, CA, the redwoods and Death Valley will remain memories and photos in an old album, I'd sooner visit Quebec and Newfoundland than ever go to Florida, Vegas, or Hawaii

[ExFlyer]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

"Need to see"?

We live next door and have been watching it for decades. Since the border changed from 'welcome northern brothers' to 'you're just another f*cking foreigner' days.
WN, OR, CA, the redwoods and Death Valley will remain memories and photos in an old album, I'd sooner visit Quebec and Newfoundland than ever go to Florida, Vegas, or Hawaii

Well, Newfoundland for sure LOL

I agree, my US travels will be restricted if at all. Only one day while going on a cruise.

Interesting, many years ago the Americans used to wear a Canada pin when travelling around the world but that went away... I was often asked if I have any extra Canada pins they could have.  itI is now back. Americans are saying they are Canadian again LOL

[herbie]

I only had a week and toured the Port Au Port peninsula and them took the ferry to Sydney NS. Beautiful sights, amazing people.
I'd rather see the rest of Atlantic Canada than some stupid flashing lights at a tourist trap.

Formerly someone who crossed the border weekly and did extensive vacationing on the US West coast in the 1970s - 1990s.

The 'root cause' is entirely the retrograde thinking that free trade is bad and hiding behind 19th century isolationist tariffs is good. Canada doesn't want that, but may have to do it to the USA a response as it expands free trade with the real world.

[suds]

On 3/1/2025 at 10:30 AM, xul said:

But after 8 years of trade war against China, the US has found it is like a lion trying to bring down an elephant. It's just an unwinnable war.

So this time, Trump turns to US's allies. The reason is simple: 

     a) In most industrial fields, these allies are actually American commercial competitors, like Airbus vs Boeing, Japanese/European/Canadian cars vs American cars, Samsung phone vs iPhone, Canadian oil vs US oil....etc.

     b) Unlike China, the wage level and production costs in these allies is similar with their American counterparts, which means it's much easier to bring industries and jobs back to US from these allies than from China.

Yep.  And great post by the way! If you're going to get involved in trade deals and the like, it's sometimes best to get involved with countries that have similar economies, living standards, and environmental concerns as your own. Then you have a level playing field and less problems.

[eyeball]

On 3/1/2025 at 7:30 AM, xul said:

So this time, Trump turns to US's allies. The reason is simple:

 b) Unlike China, the wage level and production costs in these allies is similar with their American counterparts, which means it's much easier to bring industries and jobs back to US from these allies than from China.

You mentioned trying to bring down an elephant earlier....one big elephant in the case of the jobs coming back, will be standards. Like many that currently protect the environment from the effects of producing steel, aluminum and timber. Unleashing them will not be without an environmental cost. There will also be a social and political cost from having to usurp state environmental protection standards and push aside concerns of communities on the ground whose lives will be impacted by unleashing.

[herbie]

To bring down an elephant, the lion needs the pack.

Trump has managed to lose his.

[eyeball]

Trump's the raging bull elephant here - who's lost his shit and gone rogue.

[xul]

On 3/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, herbie said:

"Need to see"?

We live next door and have been watching it for decades. Since the border changed from 'welcome northern brothers' to 'you're just another f*cking foreigner' days.
WN, OR, CA, the redwoods and Death Valley will remain memories and photos in an old album, I'd sooner visit Quebec and Newfoundland than ever go to Florida, Vegas, or Hawaii

Sometimes seeing or not seeing something isn't defined by what is imaging in someone's eyes, but by what actions the person will take.

Pierre Trudeau said that having US as a neighbor was like sleeping with an elephant in 1969. Half a century has passed, but it seems like Canada is still unprepared when the elephant becomes rogue.

Some zookeepers get killed by elephants not because they don't know elephants are dangerous, but because they think their relationship with these huge animals is so special that they lay down their guards. 

 

 

[xul]

9 hours ago, herbie said:

To bring down an elephant, the lion needs the pack.

Trump has managed to lose his.

Usually only a few members of a pride join the fight, so the power which is actually used in a hunting is far less than the combined strength of the whole pride.

Trump's thinking is: If the strongest lion eats all other members in the pride, absorbs all the strengths from others and becomes a super-lion which is as big as an elephant, it will become easier and more efficient for this super-lion to bring down an elephant.

The problems with the theory are：

2) Is it possible that a lion becomes 2 times stronger by eating another lion?

1) Will other lions allow themselves to be eaten by the strongest lion without fighting back?

Edited March 4 by xul

[cougar]

2 hours ago, xul said:

Trump's thinking is: If the strongest lion eats all other members in the pride, absorbs all the strengths from others and becomes a super-lion which is as big as an elephant, it will become easier and more efficient for this super-lion to bring down an elephant.

We have to keep in mind that this is a convicted criminal who has been stealing, evading taxes, groping women and acting arrogantly all of his life.  Even before the coup he staged, he was boasting that he could kill a person in the street with impunity and still get elected.  Well he was elected for a second time despite all that transpired.

Now he is emboldened and will bring down the US justice system, the world health organizations, any trade treaties or even military alliances. 

He will lie, cheat and steal from everyone he thinks is weak enough not to defend himself.

If you happen to be on your knees, like Zelensky, he will pick your pockets before kicking you in the teeth.

This is the new America - Pirates of all Lands and Seas.

Edited March 4 by cougar

[Moonlight Graham]

19 minutes ago, cougar said:

We have to keep in mind that this is a convicted criminal who has been stealing, evading taxes, groping women and acting arrogantly all of his life.  Even before the coup he staged, he was boasting that he could kill a person in the street with impunity and still get elected.  Well he was elected for a second time despite all that transpired.

Now he is emboldened and will bring down the US justice system, the world health organizations, any trade treaties or even military alliances. 

He will lie, cheat and steal from everyone he thinks is weak enough not to defend himself.

If you happen to be on your knees, like Zelensky, he will pick your pockets before kicking you in the teeth.

This is the new America - Pirates of all Lands and Seas.

Trump governs the US like he ran his companies.

[myata]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

US like he ran his companies.

I.e., into the ground, then litigate (with China and Russia).

[Nefarious Banana]

On 3/1/2025 at 1:24 PM, herbie said:

"Need to see"?

We live next door and have been watching it for decades. Since the border changed from 'welcome northern brothers' to 'you're just another f*cking foreigner' days.
WN, OR, CA, the redwoods and Death Valley will remain memories and photos in an old album, I'd sooner visit Quebec and Newfoundland than ever go to Florida, Vegas, or Hawaii

You could go back to Ontario . . . and stay there.  Take eyeball with you. 

Send 'the west' a postcard . . . .

Bye bye 😎

[Moonbox]

On 3/1/2025 at 10:30 AM, xul said:

This is the basic logic which makes Trump behaving like what we have seen now.

It may be his logic, it doesn't mean it's good logic.  

As you already mentioned, Trump's tariff efforts on China have failed, and they'll similarly fail on Mexico and Canada.  Some jobs may come back, and some of them may actually be important to come back (like a domestic steel industry, or microchips etc), but more jobs will be lost on account of US supply chains being less efficient overall. 

It may hurt more for Canada than it will for the US, but nobody is "winning" from the exchange.  Donald Trump's fixation on tariffs demonstrates a profound ignorance (or disregard) of how economies actually work, and we'll see that manifest in years of economic pain.

Meanwhile, the US loses willing partners against China, who will be more than happy to strike deals with similarly affected nations.  If China is the real adversary, then this is the US biting its nose to spite its face.  

[Zeitgeist]

On 3/1/2025 at 10:30 AM, xul said:

According to Gordon Chang's book The Coming Collapse of USA...LOL..He didn't write the book, but it would be better if he wrote one, for the sake of restoring his reputation as American #1 fortune teller.😜

Regardless whatsoever books may say, it is obvious that the US empire is on the fast track which leads to a Soviet styled collapse. In China there is an old proverb 树倒猢狲散, which literally means "When the tree falls, the monkeys scatter" .  But its true meaning, thanks James Cameron, who demonstrated it in his 2009 film Avatar:

In the real world, if US is that tree, Canada and other US's so-called allies, are those blue monkeys who live on the tree.

Of course, in the movie, the tree is political-correctly destroyed by the bad guy, the colonel. 

But in the real world, most trees fall just because of aging. Their trunks are hollow and their branches are rotten, so it can not carry so many monkeys living on it. If a tree could think and act like human, under such circumstance, the best way to save itself is to shake off these monkeys to reduce the load it carries.

Nowadays, the US empire is just like a huge but rotten tree. Its trunk, branches and leaves are still huge and magnificent, but its root, the manufacturing section has mostly gone. We all know that a tree can not live long without root, so if the US empire wants to survive, it has to rebuild its root. 

If we watch Trump's policy from this perspective, and consider he is the president of US not the  president of earth, which means America first😜, his decision making is quite reasonable.

1) His so-called madness---firing federal employees, sacking pentagon generals, disband USAID, cutting military aid to Ukraine....the ultimate purpose of all these is to reduce the spending of the federal government. If the root of a tree is rotten and can not supply enough nutrition to support the need of the entire tree, some leaves and branches should be shaken off.

But a tree can not make itself great...lol...I mean flourishing again by dropping off leaves.  So the 2nd step must be taken to repair its rotten roots.

2) How to bring manufacturing back to US? In 2017, Trump though he could achieve this by simply adding tariff on Chinese goods because China was the major manufacturer and exporter in the world. But after 8 years of trade war against China, the US has found it is like a lion trying to bring down an elephant. It's just an unwinnable war.

So this time, Trump turns to US's allies. The reason is simple: 

     a) In most industrial fields, these allies are actually American commercial competitors, like Airbus vs Boeing, Japanese/European/Canadian cars vs American cars, Samsung phone vs iPhone, Canadian oil vs US oil....etc.

     b) Unlike China, the wage level and production costs in these allies is similar with their American counterparts, which means it's much easier to bring industries and jobs back to US from these allies than from China.

      For example:

      If Trump wants to bring TV production back to US from China, US will need to rebuild the whole supply chain, which means hundreds of factories to produce all its components and parts to support it. If you tear down a TV to see how many parts and components in a single PCB you will know it. Trump can not achieve this goal within his second term. And if he can't make some progress which is visible to his voters within 2-3 years, I'm afraid prison will await him.

      But if he targets the steel industry in Canada, it will be much easier to achieve the goal within a short period of time, because the US still has steel industry so no need to rebuild it.  It will be much easier to increase production and train workers to replace imported steels. And unlike TV, he doesn't need to build a supply chain to make steels. So he can show the effect of his MAGA plan to his voters within just a few months to a couple of years.

This is the basic logic which makes Trump behaving like what we have seen now. It is delusional to think that Trump is just bluffing or all these "madness" will gone with him 4 years later.

 

 

 

Trump's big miscalulation is thinking that he can somehow separate production from consumer purchasing.  Canadians are currently buying just as many cars from the US as we sell to the US.  If the Canadian manufacturing plant that sells those cars packs up and moves south, Canadians won't simply stop buying that particular model, they will stop buying cars made by that company.  In fact, if the tariffs result in plant closures and job losses, there will simply be a blanket boycott of American products.  Of course our exports to the U.S. would suffer too, but eventually we would find other markets, including for the oil that Americans buy from us at a discount.  We may end up with a higher cost of living, but we will be far less dependent on the U.S. market, and we will replace at least some of the U.S. production that sells into Canada with Canadian production for our own market and export markets.

I can see this as an opportunity for much greater trade with Central and South America.  All the citrus we used to buy from Florida would come from farther south.  We could export into growing economies like Brazil and Chile.  We could sell far more of our natural gas and oil to Europe and Asia.  This will effectively raise energy prices in the U.S. and lower them in Canada, as we refine and distribute cheaper domestic supply through new refineries and pipelines to Eastern Canada.  I also think we should end all military procurements from the U.S.   Dump the F-35's and look at European jets, subs, etc.  Produce as much as we can domestically.  Canadians will pay the higher prices for everything if it means defending our sovereignty and national pride.

Trudeau's assessment of Trump's tariffs are quite accurate.  They're largely coercive, inflationary, and damaging to the U.S.'s international image.  The U.S. is no longer seen as a trusted partner, because they will pull up stakes for purely selfish reasons that are actually counter-productive to U.S. interests long term. 

I think at this point we let the Yanks play this out.  Tourism to the U.S. will tank.  U.S. exports will tank.  Our exports to the U.S. will likely tank too, but unlike the U.S., we have the potential of many tariff-free partners for trade, whereas the U.S. has multiple countries, including allies, ready to boycott U.S. goods and seek other markets.

Canada should embrace the challenge.  We're a much bigger country than just a half century ago.  We have a strong domestic market.  Originally I had thought we could enter into an economic union with the U.S. with free movement of goods, services, and people between the two countries.  I think there may be too much distrust towards Trump for that kind of productive arrangement sadly.  Canada is going to go through an austere period of rebuilding, as it did in the 90's, but when we come out the other side, and we will, the country will be stronger, more independent, and far less gullible towards foreign influence.

Edited March 4 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

You could go back to Ontario . . . and stay there.  Take eyeball with you. 

Send 'the west' a postcard . . . .

Bye bye 😎

What a dumbass. Go back to your basement cave and some dumb shoot em up. You can't read, can't learn and can't comprehend much else.

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It may be his logic, it doesn't mean it's good logic.  

As you already mentioned, Trump's tariff efforts on China have failed, and they'll similarly fail on Mexico and Canada.  Some jobs may come back, and some of them may actually be important to come back (like a domestic steel industry, or microchips etc), but more jobs will be lost on account of US supply chains being less efficient overall. 

It may hurt more for Canada than it will for the US, but nobody is "winning" from the exchange.  Donald Trump's fixation on tariffs demonstrates a profound ignorance (or disregard) of how economies actually work, and we'll see that manifest in years of economic pain.

Meanwhile, the US loses willing partners against China, who will be more than happy to strike deals with similarly affected nations.  If China is the real adversary, then this is the US biting its nose to spite its face.  

He sees us as a weak target, our economy is weak, our leader is weak, the fact we don't even have a leader persay is also a sign, we did this to ourselves...We already lived through trump 1.0, and his tariffs even back then there was talk about diversification of our trade, getting resources to different markets, but we are either too stupid to remember that, or swept it under the carpet and saying it will never happen again....

Trumps threats of tariffs has shown ours weak areas, not just in our economy and trade but security as well the question remains will we learn by this whole thing and do something about it...or wait for the next trump to threaten us all over again...

[Aristides]

I think JT described Trump's logic to a T this morning. There shouldn't be any doubt. 

Every crisis creates opportunities. It is up to us to find them and take advantage of them.

That's our test.

Edited March 5 by Aristides

[Nefarious Banana]

On 3/3/2025 at 4:34 PM, eyeball said:

Trump's the raging bull elephant here - who's lost his shit and gone rogue.

In years back (pick any President) the White House had a certain dignity, the show piece home of America.  President Ronald Reagan comes to mind here as the host of America but there were many others of both sides . . . and then there was the bad carnival of Donald Trump with the leader of the Ukraine.  Sad day for the American citizens . . . 

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

In years back (pick any President) the White House had a certain dignity, the show piece home of America.  President Ronald Reagan comes to mind here as the host of America but there were many others of both sides . . . and then there was the bad carnival of Donald Trump with the leader of the Ukraine.  Sad day for the American citizens . . . 

It's what Americans wanted - an end to all that woke dignity show piece stuff.

These are happy days for millions of Americans - all too soon they'll be Halcyon Days.

[xul]

19 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

Every crisis creates opportunities. It is up to us to find them and take advantage of them.

That's our test.

Exactly. 

In Chinese social media, there aren't many Trump haters.  Actually he has earned a Chinese nickname 川建国，which means Trump, the builder of China. Biden also earned a nickname 拜振华，which means Biden who will make China great again. The logic behind these nicknames is: Without those sanctions which Trump and Biden put on exporting high-tech products to China, how much chance would those Chinese high-tech companies have to successfully market their products in China against the competition from those already established foreign brands?

I wish Canadian also adopt the same attitude towards Trump. No need to waste time on hating him, arguing with him, begging him for mercy, or hoping everything will be back to normal after he is gone. In past a few weeks, Canadian politicians and experts have come out many good plans, from removing trade barriers between provinces to diversifying markets for Canadian goods internationally. Now it is time to act, not only talk.

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Chinese social media mocked US Commerce Secretary Jina Raimondo as the Hua Wei brand ambassador. After had been knocked out of high-end cell phone market for 4 years, Hua Weil launched its first pure-domestic-chip phone Mate 60 Pro during Raimondo visiting China in 2023. The event is considered by many international observers as the symbolic failure of US sanction on Chinese semiconductor industry.

 

Edited March 5 by xul

[xul]

Not arguing with him or not begging him doesn't mean that Canada should abandon any diplomacy resort or even make some compromise with him.

For example: If your kid is kidnaped by a criminal for ransom, obviously arguing with the kidnapper or begging him is useless. But it doesn't mean that negotiation or even paying the ransom isn't an option. The proper way to deal the situation is: Even if you negotiate with the kidnaper, you still need to keep it in mind that a kidnapper is a criminal, which means he won't follow the rule of law. He won't honor any agreement which you make with him when he feels that he has a chance to get more from you. So even if you have paid him the ransom and got your kid back home, there is still no guarantee that he won't kidnap your kid again. Even if he is killed by a police sniper, there is still no guarantee that other criminals won't kidnap your kid again.

So even if Canada government finally has managed to make a deal with Trump this time, Canadian still need to get Canada ready for such thing or something worse happening again. 

[Zeitgeist]

The good news is that talks are in play between Canada and Mexico and other countries to find substitute markets.  I can see new industries arising from these new partnerships.  This is the time for Magna to start making complete cars in Canada, possibly in partnership with Mexico.  If the U.S. wants to cut out Mexico and Canada, we can enhance north-south shipping and alliances with Central and South America.  We just need one or two models: Canadian takes on the Accord and Civic, maybe a crossover vehicle to start with.  My guess is that these cars would be very popular in Canada and internationally.

Our lower dollar makes us a cheaper jurisdiction than the U.S. for production.  If Sweden can have Volvo and Saab, there’s no reason Canada can’t.  We’ve done it in the past with Bricklin and McLaughlin (Buick).  Really the U.S. auto industry is also the Canadian auto industry, and it has been so for well over a century, but Trump doesn’t seem to know this history.

Edited March 5 by Zeitgeist

[xul]

On 3/4/2025 at 2:28 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Trump's big miscalulation is thinking that he can somehow separate production from consumer purchasing. 

Indeed.

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Canadians are currently buying just as many cars from the US as we sell to the US.  If the Canadian manufacturing plant that sells those cars packs up and moves south, Canadians won't simply stop buying that particular model, they will stop buying cars made by that company.  In fact, if the tariffs result in plant closures and job losses, there will simply be a blanket boycott of American products. 

I guess his, or probably some of his advisors' calculation is:

Phase 1: The price of cars will rise on both side due to the tariff and reciprocal tariff since car makers can not move productions of parts of cars from Canada to US or US to Canada within a few months. But consumers will have to accept the new price since they have no other options. 

Phase 2: Automakers begin to move their productions over border to avoid tariffs.  But since US market is far bigger than Canadian, automakers will intend to move their production from Canada to US instead of from US to Canada.

Since the phase 2 will happen gradually, Trump may think that Canadian may eventually not react the job loss as strong as what you described. Besides, he can divide Canadian by offering a deal only in favor of certain industrial sector. For example, put 25% tariff on cars but 0% on oil, and expect the unified Canadian resistance collapsing.

 

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I can see this as an opportunity for much greater trade with Central and South America.  All the citrus we used to buy from Florida would come from farther south.  We could export into growing economies like Brazil and Chile.  We could sell far more of our natural gas and oil to Europe and Asia.  This will effectively raise energy prices in the U.S. and lower them in Canada, as we refine and distribute cheaper domestic supply through new refineries and pipelines to Eastern Canada.  I also think we should end all military procurements from the U.S.   Dump the F-35's and look at European jets, subs, etc.  Produce as much as we can domestically.  Canadians will pay the higher prices for everything if it means defending our sovereignty and national pride.

Trudeau's assessment of Trump's tariffs are quite accurate.  They're largely coercive, inflationary, and damaging to the U.S.'s international image.  The U.S. is no longer seen as a trusted partner, because they will pull up stakes for purely selfish reasons that are actually counter-productive to U.S. interests long term. 

I think at this point we let the Yanks play this out.  Tourism to the U.S. will tank.  U.S. exports will tank.  Our exports to the U.S. will likely tank too, but unlike the U.S., we have the potential of many tariff-free partners for trade, whereas the U.S. has multiple countries, including allies, ready to boycott U.S. goods and seek other markets.

Canada should embrace the challenge.  We're a much bigger country than just a half century ago.  We have a strong domestic market.  Originally I had thought we could enter into an economic union with the U.S. with free movement of goods, services, and people between the two countries.  I think there may be too much distrust towards Trump for that kind of productive arrangement sadly.  Canada is going to go through an austere period of rebuilding, as it did in the 90's, but when we come out the other side, and we will, the country will be stronger, more independent, and far less gullible towards foreign influence.

I agree. Actually it will be an opportunity for Canada if Canadian are brave enough to take the challenge. 

Edited March 6 by xul