500channelsurfer Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 https://apnews.com/article/canada-trudeau-highspeed-rail-network-4c50007bc8e9bf5bbec9a4add9ac88fe Trudeau is trying to push forward a high speed rail link connecting Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, Montreal and Quebec City. It is an odd time, at the very end of his tenure, to do so. This might be Trudeau trying to leave a legacy to Canadians. But what kind of legacy will this be seen as in 20 or 50 years? This is clearly going to be extremely expensive if it goes through. There is also no equivalent spending in public transit or similar for Western Canada. This proposal will increase western alienation for the Liberal party. It may also quickly be axed following the appointment of the next Liberal leader and/or upcoming general election. Perhaps Trudeau is thinking better links between Ontario and Quebec is worth the political gamble of western alienation, in order to attempt to reduce Quebec separatism? Quote
herbie Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Throwing an idea that should've been done 40 years ago now is surprising? Neither is Can'tservatives opposing it for that long. You know this Dec. the SkyTrain will have been running for 40 years? Laggards. 1 Quote
500channelsurfer Posted February 25 Author Report Posted February 25 The surprise is that Trudeau pushes an extremely expensive project that benefits only Eastern Canada as one of his last moves as PM. He could have won many more votes in Ontario and Quebec had he made this an election issue in one of his previous campaigns for PM. Perhaps he did not do that because he knows it will further alienate the West. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 It’s a “tripwire” setup for PP, he’ll cancel it and be The Grinch Who Stole Christmas to central Canadians who have been calling for HSR for decades. . Or he’ll keep it and be painted as a tax and spend Laurentian elite enriching central Canada at the expense of western Canada. And/or it’s a Liberal pre-election goodie hoping to shore up LPC support in vote-dense central Canada 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Canada couldn't organize a gangbang in a whorehouse, never mind high speed rail Quote
Legato Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 High speed link between a city full of ass=holes to another city full of French speaking ass-holes, oh dear. 2 Quote
herbie Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 3 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s a “tripwire” setup for PP, he’ll cancel it and be The Grinch Who Stole Christmas to central Canadians who have been calling for HSR for decades. Sssshhh!!!! It's already earned the hate of all those it benefits most Canadians but not me crowd. Quote
BeaverFever Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) I check out this transit vlog on YouTube once in a while he did a bit on the HSR project a few months ago. Worth a watch. Edited February 25 by BeaverFever 1 Quote
PIK Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 Actually in Trudeau fashion, he screwed this up to. LOL The original plan was Windser/ Quebec. Now Trudeau just screwed everybody west of TO. That's millions of pissed off people. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ExFlyer Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 13 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s a “tripwire” setup for PP, he’ll cancel it and be The Grinch Who Stole Christmas to central Canadians who have been calling for HSR for decades. . Or he’ll keep it and be painted as a tax and spend Laurentian elite enriching central Canada at the expense of western Canada. And/or it’s a Liberal pre-election goodie hoping to shore up LPC support in vote-dense central Canada It won't even get there. A "promise " that has been made for decades that got nowhere so, this is just another in a long list of zero achieved promises. Spain has high speed. So does France. So does China. Fact is, 20 or so countries in the world have high speed trains. There are no high speed trains in northern Europe which has the closest landscape to where the proposed train will go in Canada. (nor in New Zealand which is also like Canada) Another fact is, Canada (Feds) has not ever been able to make or complete major program. Let alone one that is for Ontario and Quebec exclusively Also, there is no high speed diesel engines and that would mean we wold have to electrify the entire 1000 km route. Sorry, I am just too skeptical to even think this is a real proposal LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nefarious Banana Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 The high-speed will never be built. Just more of the fetid gas emitting from Trudeau's mouth/anus. 1 Quote
suds Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) According to a recent study done by the Fraser Institute.... Canada produced 636 TWh of power generation in 2024. 1 TWh is a unit of energy that represents 1,000,000,000,000 watts of power used for 1 hour. The 'Canada Energy Regulator' estimates we will require an additional 191 TWh over the next 25 years. The 'Canadian Climate Institute' estimates an additional 1526 TWh, and 'Canada's Department of Finance' an additional 700 TWh. A rough average of the 3 estimates calls for an additional 684 TWh of power generation capacity by 2050 to meet our needs (which is more than double 2024 levels). To put things into perspective, we would require the power generated by another 52 Niagara Falls, or another 16 Bruce Power Nuclear facilities with its 4 reactors. The 3 estimates given above vary so wildly due to the difficulty in estimating economic growth and population. Not to mention such wild cards as electrified transportation and home heating. While the physical construction of new energy projects is fairly straight forward, it doesn't include the planning stages or the time to build new energy transport infrastructure. This is what's staring us in the face and 2050 is fast approaching. This... should be our #1 priority because our economy depends on power and such mega projects and infrastructure are not built overnight. Talk is cheap. Action requires some foresight. https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/2025-02/rapid-decarbonization-of-electricity-and-future-supply-constraints.pdf Edited February 25 by suds Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 27 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: The high-speed will never be built. Just more of the fetid gas emitting from Trudeau's mouth/anus. To be fair...it has been promised by all governments in the past few decades. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 23 minutes ago, suds said: According to a recent study done by the Fraser Institute.... Canada produced 636 TWh of power generation in 2024. 1 TWh is a unit of energy that represents 1,000,000,000,000 watts of power used for 1 hour. The 'Canada Energy Regulator' estimates we will require an additional 191 TWh over the next 25 years. The 'Canadian Climate Institute' estimates an additional 1526 TWh, and 'Canada's Department of Finance' an additional 700 TWh. A rough average of the 3 estimates calls for an additional 684 TWh of power generation capacity by 2050 to meet our needs (which is more than double 2024 levels). To put things into perspective, we would require the power generated by another 52 Niagara Falls, or another 16 Bruce Power Nuclear facilities with its 4 reactors. The 3 estimates given above vary so wildly due to the difficulty in estimating economic growth and population. Not to mention such wild cards as electrified transportation and home heating. While the physical construction of new energy projects is fairly straight forward, it doesn't include the planning stages or the time to build new energy transport infrastructure. This is what's staring us in the face and 2050 is fast approaching. This... should be our #1 priority because our economy depends on power and such mega projects and infrastructure are not built overnight. Talk is cheap. Action requires some foresight. While what you see is correct, you must be aware that energy production and generation is a Provincial and private enterprise. Feds will always chip in some cash but, they are not the prime mover/supplier/developer of energy generation. Anyway, a high speed train is a multi generatioal pipe dream without anyone smacking the espousers over the head with a reality hammer. LOL Edited February 25 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 18 hours ago, BeaverFever said: It’s a “tripwire” setup for PP, he’ll cancel it and be The Grinch Who Stole Christmas to central Canadians who have been calling for HSR for decades. . Or he’ll keep it and be painted as a tax and spend Laurentian elite enriching central Canada at the expense of western Canada. And/or it’s a Liberal pre-election goodie hoping to shore up LPC support in vote-dense central Canada Why would he have to cancel it has there been any funding put towards the project, it will be forgotten come election time.......or is it just Justin farting in the wind, as per normal......this has zero chance of surviving the election, be it liberal or conservative...I mean come on is this really what the country needs ahead of tariffs, and all that brings.... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Why would he have to cancel it has there been any funding put towards the project, it will be forgotten come election time.......or is it just Justin farting in the wind, as per normal......this has zero chance of surviving the election, be it liberal or conservative...I mean come on is this really what the country needs ahead of tariffs, and all that brings.... hilariously, Canada is proposing to spend $4 billion ; just to study the project when the Chinese could build the whole thing for $16 billion Canada is simply not capable of building these sorts of projects at all, due to inherent governing sclerosis Canada is all about rent seeking entrenched interests, to the point of total paralysis therein Edited February 25 by Dougie93 1 Quote
suds Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 46 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: While what you see is correct, you must be aware that energy production and generation is a Provincial and private enterprise. Feds will always chip in some cash but, they are not the prime mover/supplier/developer of energy generation. Anyway, a high speed train is a multi generatioal pipe dream without anyone smacking the espousers over the head with a reality hammer. LOL Yes of course. The federal government can't order the the Province of Ontario to build more nuclear power plants or wind/solar farms. But we have to get our act together on this. It's taken over 100 years to build the infrastructure we have today for power generation when money and resources were fairly cheap. Now we're going to more than double it over the next 25 with no concrete plans in sight other than the feds asking for input from industry and the provinces? This is the problem with democracy, politicians can't see past the next 4 years or the next election. And power lines along with oil/gas pipelines which cross provincial or international borders are regulated, licensed, and supervised by federal agencies. I would say the feds are as deep in this as the provinces are. Quote
suds Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: hilariously, Canada is proposing to spend $4 billion ; just to study the project You nailed it bud. Just follow the money! Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, suds said: Yes of course. The federal government can't order the the Province of Ontario to build more nuclear power plants or wind/solar farms. But we have to get our act together on this. It's taken over 100 years to build the infrastructure we have today for power generation when money and resources were fairly cheap. Now we're going to more than double it over the next 25 with no concrete plans in sight other than the feds asking for input from industry and the provinces? This is the problem with democracy, politicians can't see past the next 4 years or the next election. And power lines along with oil/gas pipelines which cross provincial or international borders are regulated, licensed, and supervised by federal agencies. I would say the feds are as deep in this as the provinces are. Canada's feeble lack of state capacity is our only saving grace since if these Laurentian Elite leftist lunatics were actually capable, we'd be living in a Communist dictatorship but as these ridiculous fops couldn't organize a gangbang in a whorehouse we are ironically freer than Texans in real terms therein chaos is a ladder 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 17 minutes ago, suds said: You nailed it bud. Just follow the money! thankfully, the sclerosis of pathological Canadian rent seeking actually prevents most of that money from ever getting spent ironically, the gross incompetence of the Laurentian Elite ruling class, staves of bankruptcy in the end a jurisdiction so bumbling ; that it is not even capable of spending itself into the poor house FTW Edited February 25 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 16 hours ago, herbie said: Sssshhh!!!! It's already earned the hate of all those it benefits most Canadians but not me crowd. let the Liberals blow $20 billion on a bridge to nowhere, by all means there will be no counterrevolution in Canada, until the federal government goes broke total Canadian debt, Federal & Provincial ; $1.2 trillion and counting in a trade war against America ; that will double in no time flat 2% GDP defence budget ? That will triple it on top ; 200+% debt to GDP ratio then Accelerationism FTW ; burn baby burn Edited February 25 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 20 hours ago, 500channelsurfer said: The surprise is that Trudeau pushes an extremely expensive project that benefits only Eastern Canada as one of his last moves as PM. except Eastern Canadians still love driving too much all these public transit scams are white elephants because in actual fact, we prefer driving everywhere never mind high speed rail if the government actually followed what the people want there would be a toll highway between Toronto & Montreal with no speed limit ; Canadian Autobahn it would be a cash cow rather than just another leftist boondoggle Quote
August1991 Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 9 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: The high-speed will never be built. Just more of the fetid gas emitting from Trudeau's mouth/anus. Entirely agree. The federal Liberals are desperate to get their guy (Ignatieff/Carney) back in power. Quote
TreeBeard Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 (edited) Canada is the only G7 country not to have high-speed rail. It’s about time. Edited February 26 by TreeBeard Quote
500channelsurfer Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 On 2/24/2025 at 7:58 PM, BeaverFever said: It’s a “tripwire” setup for PP, he’ll cancel it and be The Grinch Who Stole Christmas to central Canadians who have been calling for HSR for decades. . Or he’ll keep it and be painted as a tax and spend Laurentian elite enriching central Canada at the expense of western Canada. And/or it’s a Liberal pre-election goodie hoping to shore up LPC support in vote-dense central Canada On 2/25/2025 at 7:36 AM, PIK said: Actually in Trudeau fashion, he screwed this up to. LOL The original plan was Windser/ Quebec. Now Trudeau just screwed everybody west of TO. That's millions of pissed off people. Good points. Ridings from Hamilton to Windsor can easily go Con or NDP if the Liberals are not serving them. And PP is set-up here. On 2/25/2025 at 3:49 PM, Dougie93 said: except Eastern Canadians still love driving too much all these public transit scams are white elephants because in actual fact, we prefer driving everywhere never mind high speed rail if the government actually followed what the people want there would be a toll highway between Toronto & Montreal with no speed limit ; Canadian Autobahn it would be a cash cow rather than just another leftist boondoggle Yes, many people will still drive between these cities. But many people also fly between them. A high speed rail system should be able to provide the same transit at less cost and an equal or less amount of time, taking into consideration waiting times at airports and transport times to and from airports. Being optimistic, the cost of this project implies the new rail system would have its own dedicated track, so the Via delays due to track sharing should also be eliminated. Quote
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