Canada Retaliates with it's Own Tariffs - Tit-for-tat isn't the answer

[betsy]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trump is much worse than a bully.  He is very hostile to Canada because he doesn't like Canada's leaders.  He was on the news again this morning insulting Canada.  He treats America's closest ally like an enemy of some kind.  He is doing great harm in the world.  He is a psychopath and displays hate constantly.  The next four years will be difficult.  It is very unpleasant to listen to him.

 

Being hostile to someone, is not the definition of a bully.

Trudeau has meddled in US politics since 2015, had taken potshots at and insulted  Trump on numerous occasions.  I tend to think somehow, this is personal.

 

 

 

Trudeau insulted Trump for years, now places are reversed

Trudeau has spent years attacking Trump to boost his own political fortunes, so why are Canadians upset that Trump is returning the favour?

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-insulted-trump-for-years-now-places-are-reversed

 

 

Simply put - we could be facing this crisis due to our PM who's got an uncontrollable big mouth! 😁 

  It wouldn't be the first time his big mouth had hurt relationships with other nation(s).  Like, India?

 

.....and how in answer to Trump's ban against Muslims in certain nations, Trudeau issued an open invitation to all refugees all over the world to come to Canada..........which he had to backtrack from, of course.

 

That's what we get for voting in  a drama queen. 😁

Edited February 3 by betsy

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, betsy said:

And.....what is this thing about a "bully?"  Excuse me?  😁

 

Trump, is not a bully!   You folks, are mis-using the term!

 

Trump is doing his job as the US President.   His responsibility is to look after his own nation and own people!   He doesn't have to look after Canada!

You're so used to Biden and the Liberals......who put migrants and other nations ahead of the USA and Canada.......that's why you're all confused now that you're faced with someone who's adamant to put America first! 😁

 

 

If you think Trump is a bully for demanding something in return - lol, you must think the same way of your employers - who demand labor from you in exchange for salary!  Either my way or the highway!  🤣

 

Trump doesn't give a rats ass about the American people, he is hell bent on driving them into a massive recession to feed his own ego. What he is demanding is our sovereignty, he is not kidding when he says he wants us to be the 51st state and willing to do great damage to both the US and Canadian economies to do it.

[SpankyMcFarland]

‘At one point, according to the source, Mr. Lutnick suggested that U.S. tariffs might eventually be removed when U.S. overdose deaths go down – which probably won’t be soon and certainly won’t be closely related to anything Canada does.’

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/opinion/article-the-trump-shock-a-trade-war-that-will-reshape-north-america/#comments

So now fentanyl users will determine policy down there which makes sense.

 

 

 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

 

Being hostile to someone, is not the definition of a bully.

Trudeau has meddled US politics since 2015, had taken potshots at and insulted  Trump on numerous occasions.  I tend to think somehow,this is personal.

 

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/trudeau-insulted-trump-for-years-now-places-are-reversed

 

Which would mean he is just a petty vindictive pr*ck that has no business running a country.

Surely we can reach an agreement on borders but when it comes to tariffs I hope Trudeau has read the room because Canadians are in no mood to buckle under to the Orange Stain.

[myata]

21 minutes ago, betsy said:

You can't deal with a nation's leader

With a hitler, you can't? Sure of that? Like there are better options?

23 minutes ago, betsy said:

the same way you would deal with your neighborhood bully

Yes you can talk to him the same way he's trying to talk to you. I think you should, too.

24 minutes ago, betsy said:

you can stand on your own, without this nation.

Can you spell "i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-e-n-t n-a-t-i-o-n"? Nothing too complicated, I hope?

19 minutes ago, betsy said:

is a bully for demanding something in return

You have a brain/memory or eyes problem (or all at once)? The sh*thead just tore up and renegotiated the trade agreement. Then, he violated it, his own agreement. You can't deal in a rational manner with a psycho who wakes up every day with a new idea how you hurt him and need to be made to pay.

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

I don't know much about minerals we supply to the USA. 

  But if the USA will drill and start mining their own minerals.....they might not need us at all.

 

They get 27% of uranium here, and 25% in Kazakstan.  They get the rest from other countries.   We're not their  exclusive supplier.

 

• Sources and percentage shares of total U.S. purchases of uranium in 2022 were:
• Canada 27%
• Kazakhstan 25%
• Russia 12%
• Uzbekistan 11%
• Australia 9%
• Six other countries combined  16%

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/nuclear/where-our-uranium-comes-from.php

 

It doesn’t matter.  US businesses will feel the pinch soon, and it won’t be good enough for most of them to hear, yeah but it’s even worse for Canada.  Some solace to say, “The shit sandwich I’m making you eat isn’t as big as the shit sandwich I’m making someone else eat, so you should be happy.”  How about not making anyone eat shit?

Edited February 3 by Zeitgeist

[Legato]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Why?

The sell Canadian products, especially grocery items.

They buy or lease and use Canadian land

They employ Canadian workers. "Walmart Canada has over 100,000 employees. Walmart Canada is one of Canada's largest employers" as well as the ancillary workers (drivers, warehouse, contractors etc).

Is Walmart the only one?? What about the Bay? What about Ford? GM? Stelantis? McDonalds? Burger King or other fast food places? The venerable Molsons Brewery??

You want to lose that? and put all those folks out of work???

I get your sentiment but, just because the store or company has an American parent does not mean it is not contributing to the Canadian economy or especially employing Canadians.

and add to that most Walmart product is Chinese sourced not American sourced.

[Moonbox]

On 2/1/2025 at 5:42 PM, betsy said:

Surely, you don't expect us to win a tit-for-tat?  Especially when Trump already threatens to increase the tariff if Canada retaliates in any way. 

There's no winning for either side.  

If Trump was actually interested in policy objectives, he'd make clear demands and negotiate them rather than conjure up fantasies about the Canada-US cross-border fentanyl trade. 

What he's doing here, instead, is to walk into the room and take a big shit on the table...for reasons.  

[Black Dog]

Probably time to think about interning Americans and people with dual citizenship as enemy aliens.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Personal reasons for not shopping at any store are up to that person.

All I am saying is folks that blindly suggest boycotting stores with American parent do not realize what impact it can have on everyday Canadian workers.

Frankly Flyer...at this point I don't care what happens to all the immigrants working at Wallymart and the like.

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Frankly Flyer...at this point I don't care what happens to all the immigrants working at Wallymart and the like.

OK then

In the Walmart near me there are a variety of nationalities working there. Young people too.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

There are some big problems with suggesting Canadians boycott McDonalds, Walmart and Tim Hortons.

For one thing Walmart is an important store to buy groceries at a lower price.  Other grocery stores in town have outrageous prices for a lot of groceries.  Fruit and vegetables for example are a fraction of the price in Walmart.   Walmart also has clothing for a lower price than elsewhere in town.  People on limited income depend on it.   Walmart also is employing all Canadian people and they employ a lot of people.  

Same with McDonalds.  Coffee in McDonalds is now $1.00 for a small cup and $1.25 for a medium size cup.  Many seniors, including myself, rely on the very inexpensive coffee.  Seniors and many other people have a limited income.  Other coffee shops charge $4 or $5 for a coffee, which is way too expensive if one goes every day.  If one is a senior there is nowhere else to go to have a little social contact with friends.  Tim Hortons charges about $1.70 for a small coffee but still far cheaper than other coffee shops and cafes.

Maybe it would not affect some people to boycott Walmart, McDs, and Hortons, if they have a lot of money to throw around.  If one is working, they might have social contacts that way.  But not seniors.

It doesn't make much sense to boycott places that make life affordable and that employ all Canadians.  We would be just shooting ourselves in the foot.

We already shot both our feet. We allowed our country to be flooded by incompetents that don't speak either English or French and have zero allegiance to Canada.

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Probably time to think about interning Americans and people with dual citizenship as enemy aliens.

In my opinion, there should not be be any dual citizenship allowed.

You choose to become Canadian ad therefor should be required to relinquish your previous citizenship. It is one or the other and no more of this Canadian for/by convenience crap.

Edited February 3 by ExFlyer

[Aristides]

38 minutes ago, Legato said:

and add to that most Walmart product is Chinese sourced not American sourced.

Profits stil go to the US. I’d rather buy Chinese products from a Canadian retailer.

[myata]

41 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

How about not making anyone eat shit?

This is a rational question. Now, do those work with a psycho? Can they understand and interpret them? Maybe there's a reason they are called that, and not something like "a buddy with whom I happen to have a difference of opinions but we're working it out"?

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

OK then

In the Walmart near me there are a variety of nationalities working there. Young people too.

Again...I'm WAY past caring.

[Black Dog]

19 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

We already shot both our feet. We allowed our country to be flooded by incompetents that don't speak either English or French and have zero allegiance to Canada.

Says the illiterate who is constantly dickriding various hostile foreign leaders.

 

[myata]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Being hostile to someone, is not the definition of

Seriously you have a serious problem with you thinking. Just in case, only mentioning it in a friendly way. Do you understand the difference between "leaders A and B dislike each other, personally" and "the sh*thead just tore up the agreement he himself brought in and started an arbitrary and unilateral trade war against a long term partner nation, friend (formerly) and a neighbor"?

Seriously, no chance even glaring you right into the eyes?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

 

 

You can whine about that all you want...................but....................the numbers are irrelevant.

The point is that the US President want to tightly secure all US borders.

 

I don't think that's his issue here. This isn't like Mexico where there are hordes of people waiting to stream across the border at illegal crossings. The Fentanyl and other issues for the most part are happening at the US border crossings. People aren't smuggling this stuff in any kind of volume at all through the wilderness, especially not the Canadian wilderness in winter. They're driving it over smuggled on trucks.

And Canada does not control the US border crossing. There's absolutely nothing we can do there to tighten anything, that is 100% something that the Americans will have to address. It is not possible for us to do anything about that.

The vast majority of the time, when somebody asks you to do something that's impossible it's because they don't actually want you to succeed. He's using this as an excuse but his actual end goal is something else.

Time will tell what that is, but I believe it's fairly obvious that it's going to be trade issues.

[ExFlyer]

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Again...I'm WAY past caring.

This whole tariff thing is a cluster fux.

Mexico just made a deal with Trump but we, here in Canada cannot speak as a country.

Ford is going to Washington and  is cancelling contracts and stuff, Moe is going to the US and having separate discussions. Eby is doing things as well and Alberta decided it will deal differently too. New Brunswick just announced it would not hinder energy delivery to the US and you will not shop at Walmart because there are too many brown people.

WTF...  we are committing suicide by committee. 

[Legato]

31 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Profits stil go to the US. I’d rather buy Chinese products from a Canadian retailer.

Yes agreed.

[Barquentine]

31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Mexico just made a deal with Trump

Yeah, 30 days so he can blackmail them again. He just moved the goalposts on Canada. Now he wants us to give American banks free rein. Yeah bring on those sub-primes!

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Says the illiterate who is constantly dickriding various hostile foreign leaders.

 

From what I understand, leg humping is a doggie's habit. Just don't whittle on the rug anymore.

There's a good pup.

[Black Dog]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

From what I understand, leg humping is a doggie's habit. Just don't whittle on the rug anymore.

There's a good pup.

"Whittle" is carving wood, you can't even get your insults right you loser.

Edited February 3 by Black Dog

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Relatively speaking, the export of fentanyl to the US from Canada is a small part of their problem compared to Mexico. Our producers simply can’t compete on price. Surely, that is obvious? Of course, the real drivers of this malign industry are the users. How about talking up the importance of personal responsibility instead of blaming our country here? And what does the flabby orange balloon have to say about the drugs and guns flowing north? Has anybody told him about them? 

Relatively speaking 1 % of all fentanyl coming into the US is from Canada and that number is going to increase because it is easy to get stuff though the northern border than the southern........that would translate to 1 % of the deaths as well meaning Canada is reasonable for up to 1000 americans dying...That's a pretty large figure enough to be a concerning...

I agree users are the problem, since we just can't shoot them as Thailand did, nor can we force them into treatment centers, what would you purpose to whittle down users numbers ?....or is it more effective to go after supply and production ? 

We as a nation have heard from RCMP , CBSA about lack of funding , lack of equipment, lack of manpower to effectively fight the drug problem...WE failed to reduce our drug problem  and keep our own streets safe....this is a ME problem not a US problem...I mean if we took a survey of all Canadians right now who would be against spending more in these two areas to keep us safer...lets not forget almost 10,000 Canadians since 2016  have died of this one drug alone...with another 10,000 hospitalized...do we simply say tough luck that was a personal choice...or do we say that number is high enough to take action like increase that part of our security apparatus ....

As for stuff flowing north, again we need to take responsibility for a large portion of that as well, CBSA released a report stating they can only inspect a very small % of all containers and trucks coming over the border, WHY is that because they are underfunded, lack manpower and equipment....Once again not a US problem but a Canadian one...Just look at what Justin  offered up to trump, lease 4 Black hawk helos , to cover 8000 plus km of border....and 1.38 billion which is peanuts....look at Mexico's response 10,000 national guards to the border area....and it only got a 1 month reprieve from tariffs...It is my personal opinion Canada is going to have to step it up...it's going to cost more than 1.38 bil...

We'll see how much the tariffs are going to cost at the end of all this, my bet it would be cheaper to just pay the bill as asked instead of the costs of tariffs...