The Proud Canadians.

[taxme]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:45 AM, DUI_Offender said:

I would like to thank "Team Canada" for their good faith arguments based on knowledge and factual information. It certainly has not been easy in 2024, to debate with a bunch of MAGA Hyenas, but you were all up for the task, and I commend you for it. 

Team Canada is composed of:

@Michael Hardner

@myata

@robosmith

@BeaverFever

@Hodad

@Moonlight Graham

@eyeball

@Moonbox

@Black Dog

@Queenmandy85

@Politics1990

@herbie

@Radiorum

 

Sorry if I forgot anyone. You made 2024 much better. Thank you for believing in democracy.

Team liberal Marxists instead. 🤮

[Dougie93]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

Team liberal Marxists instead. 🤮

the Chinese Communist stooges fighting for their Asiatic Overlords in Beijing

good luck with that, so called "Team Canada"

[taxme]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Chinese Communist stooges fighting for their Asiatic Overlords in Beijing

good luck with that, so called "Team Canada"

That un Canadian Red Marxist team have pretty much destroyed Canada and have tried hard to turn Canada into a Marxist country. When Trump gets sworn in, those team Canada Marxist players will soon find themselves sitting on their commie asses and crying. 

As soon as the Conservative Party takes over Ottawa in the next election, from the french controlled Marxists that now run Ottawa and Canada, it will be the end of the 57 variety's of genders, pronoun nonsense, trans sillyness, woke/DEI bull chit, and Marxism in Canada. It's time to bring back common sense and logic back to Canada. The social Marxist experiment in Canada will hopefully soon be over. Enough already of that insane leftist liberal/NDP Marxist madness. 🤮

[Queenmandy85]

On 1/14/2025 at 2:27 PM, Army Guy said:

That's not what NATO wants nor is it what our allies want, they want us to be able to a) defend our nation conventionally, and b)  be able to send troops and machines anywhere around the globe to participate in any NATO intervention. 

Our allieds don't want any more countries to have a nuclear deterrent... there are no many in the world right now, do you that think that launching a nuke would be ok...one nuclear missile would would make Hiroshima look like a small firework display, bringing  damage on a scale we have not seen before, entire cities would simply vanish , unhabitual for hundreds of years,  first off you can not control the radioactive cloud that will poison thousands of kms of land....perhaps over another country that does have a nuke of their own, that much radioactive dust would be enough for a military response...now you've brought war to your own shores....Todays nukes are to scary for anyone to use....using one would mean the end of the world for everyone....those lucky enough to be turned to dust from the explosion would be saved a painful death that could last as long a as one week or a few more days depending on what dose you received..

You are right of course. It is ironic. The Conservative government refused to arm our Honest John and Bomarc missiles with nuclear warheads in 1963. As a result, the govenment fell and the Liberals campaigned on a promise to give the Canadian Forces nuclear weapons. The pro- nuclear Liberals under Mike Pearson won.

If we had our own independent nuclear weapons, we would not have NATO, or the Americans telling us what we can and can't do. I support NATO, but nobody wants to pay for a viable conventional military. We are surrounded by the three Super-powers all armed with nuclear weapons.

Ukraine has the same population as Canada. They were the third largest nuclear power in the world. Then, they were suckered into giving away their 2900 nuclear weapons in exchange for a "guarantee" to defend their borders and sovereignty. The guarantors were UK, Russia and the USA. If they had declined the deal, there would have been no invasion and tens of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.

For over fifty years, I have advocated Canada have a viable conventional force. I got no where. 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are right of course. It is ironic. The Conservative government refused to arm our Honest John and Bomarc missiles with nuclear warheads in 1963. As a result, the govenment fell and the Liberals campaigned on a promise to give the Canadian Forces nuclear weapons. The pro- nuclear Liberals under Mike Pearson won.

but those were American nuclear weapons provided to Canada but still under American control

that you have right now ;

a Canadian Deputy Combatant Commander NORTHCOM / NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain

and NATO B61's in Europe at Germany, Netherlands, Italy & Turkey

a Canadian CF-18 can deliver a NATO B61 to a maximum yield of 340 kilotons

which is 34 times the yield of a CIM-10 Bomarc W40 10kt warhead

 

[Dougie93]

53 minutes ago, taxme said:

 When Trump gets sworn in, those team Canada Marxist players will soon find themselves sitting on their commie asses and crying.

the Laurentian Elites will lure the whole Confederation to its doom therein

they are already invoking some misguided sense of so called "Canadian Nationalism"

really what they mean is that Canadians should take the hit, to protect the entrenched vested interests in Ottawa

and the Normies, in their fear & loathing of America,  are of course taking the bait

a trade war against America will be a catastrophe

as contrary to popular Canadian sentiment, once it is a war, Americans will dig their heels in, reflexively

then Canada will be trapped, unable to win the war, yet unable to capitulate neither

Canadians will suffer many privations to avenge Justin Trudeau & the Liberal Party of Canada

just desserts, I suppose

[NAME REMOVED]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are right of course. It is ironic. The Conservative government refused to arm our Honest John and Bomarc missiles with nuclear warheads in 1963. As a result, the govenment fell and the Liberals campaigned on a promise to give the Canadian Forces nuclear weapons. The pro- nuclear Liberals under Mike Pearson won.

If we had our own independent nuclear weapons, we would not have NATO, or the Americans telling us what we can and can't do. I support NATO, but nobody wants to pay for a viable conventional military. We are surrounded by the three Super-powers all armed with nuclear weapons.

Ukraine has the same population as Canada. They were the third largest nuclear power in the world. Then, they were suckered into giving away their 2900 nuclear weapons in exchange for a "guarantee" to defend their borders and sovereignty. The guarantors were UK, Russia and the USA. If they had declined the deal, there would have been no invasion and tens of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.

For over fifty years, I have advocated Canada have a viable conventional force. I got no where. 

I felt the same way, beginning in the late 90s, and especially during the first George W Bush term. 9/11 reinforced this view, as many Americans implied that the hijackers had come through Canada, which of course, was false.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I felt the same way, beginning in the late 90s, and especially during the first George W Bush term. 9/11 reinforced this view, as many Americans implied that the hijackers had come through Canada, which of course, was false.

 

Canada is a cauldron of seething Anti-American resentment

Americans are naive to view Canada as being friendly

Canada should rightly be viewed as a threat to American National Security

and now that President Trump has poked Canada with a stick,

Canada is provoked into bearing its fangs therein

which plays right into the hands of Republicans whom are deliberately baiting Canada

so Americans will see how Canadians are not so friendly after all

"oh, those ingrate Canadians are threatening you, America, threatening to cut off your oil, power & water "

 then Canadians will be sorry,

when they get rounded upon by an angry and vengeful America whipped up into a frenzy

[WestCanMan]

On 12/31/2024 at 7:20 AM, DUI_Offender said:

I've noticed some of the MAGA hyenas will call pretty much everyone they debate with, a "liar" to distract from the fact that they have no idea what they are talking about.

It's impossible to be a member of the left-wing cult and not lie because the leftist MSM narratives are all false. In fact, the leftists here are all shameless liars to the point where they're either gaslighting 24/7, or dumber than Joe Biden. 

Did you really think M Brown was a gentle giant for 2 years? Did you really think the protests were "mostly peaceful"? Even the "fiery" ones? Did you think that Joe Biden was mentally healthy back when he was running in the primary last year? Did you think the US gov't was "almost overthrown" on J6? Did you hear CNN constantly saying "We indicted 15 (?) people for collusion and got x-convictions", without mentioning that not even one conviction had anything at all to do with collusion? Beave quoted that here all the time, either lying or thinking that the comment was true. ALL leftists lied about the need for jabs, the safety of them, efficacy of them, etc. 

We call you a liar because you're a liar, DUI. 100%. I don't even remember any of your lies specifically anymore, it's all just a blur. 

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 

Canada is a cauldron of seething Anti-American resentment

Americans are naive to view Canada as being friendly

Canada should rightly be viewed as a threat to American National Security

and now that President Trump has poked Canada with a stick,

Canada is provoked into bearing its fangs therein

Uhhh, I for one am not interested in going fangs against the US lol. 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You are right of course. It is ironic. The Conservative government refused to arm our Honest John and Bomarc missiles with nuclear warheads in 1963. As a result, the govenment fell and the Liberals campaigned on a promise to give the Canadian Forces nuclear weapons. The pro- nuclear Liberals under Mike Pearson won.

If we had our own independent nuclear weapons, we would not have NATO, or the Americans telling us what we can and can't do. I support NATO, but nobody wants to pay for a viable conventional military. We are surrounded by the three Super-powers all armed with nuclear weapons.

Ukraine has the same population as Canada. They were the third largest nuclear power in the world. Then, they were suckered into giving away their 2900 nuclear weapons in exchange for a "guarantee" to defend their borders and sovereignty. The guarantors were UK, Russia and the USA. If they had declined the deal, there would have been no invasion and tens of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians would still be alive.

For over fifty years, I have advocated Canada have a viable conventional force. I got no where. 

Nobody is telling us what to do, our parliament is the only organization that can send this country to war....that being said Justin signed on to the new NATO agreement that states all members will achieve a 2 % of GDP, by 2025....that was 10 years ago we signed onto it.......and still our nation best is 1.38 % of GDP and says it needs another 10 years to hit 2 %....Trump is now talking about 5 % as the minimum...The second justin was in Canada he told the media he had no intention of keeping that promise....He had in fact lied to the globe....why sign onto an agreement if you have no intention of keeping your word....

It does not matter what you or i think about our military....the people that will pay the price are the ones in unifrom right now or those asked to step up....it is written in all our history, Canada has cheaped out on military expenses forever...and those that pay for those mistakes are regular Canadians....it is cheaper for us to bury our people than give them the proper equipment....you might change your tune if or when it is your granddaughter or grandson that is told to don the uniform it sh!tty equipment...

Conventional armies are the red line no one wants to cross....and our government will put it's hands up when every a conflict appears, our sons and daughters will go to war....Having a bunch of nukes gives you no extra layer of protection....as Israel how much protection from conventional warfare do they have...

Canada will change it's mind once conflicts start, when we are burying our sons and daughters by the plane load...As a people we are to silly to understand that fact....i mean it has happen with both world wars, Korea,and all the rest of them...

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

now the same Laurentian Elites are calling for Canadians to charge into a war with the Americans

they are even invoking the War of 1812 all of a sudden

of course the naive Canadian Normies don't yet realize

that what they are charging into,

is not going to be  Queenston Heights, Chateauguay & Fort Detroit

rather more like Hong Kong, Dieppe & Passchendaele

on the bright side; with crisis comes opportunity

hard times breed better men

suffering is good for the soul

walk with the Nazarene when the whistle blows to go over the top

sic itur ad astra

I’m good with either an economic union with the US, or diversifying trade away from US and supplying our domestic market with our own refined oil, high value manufactured products, and generally becoming more independent militarily, or, last option, becoming the 51st state with American citizenship.  Any of those options can be a huge win for Canadians and Canadian culture, wealth, freedom and opportunity.  They aren’t the same things though. There are compromises for each path.  We should really think about this honestly.

Economic union seems like the best overall course, because it allows us to retain the policies that matter most and retain sovereign control of our country.   Being able to live and work anywhere in North America and to have complete free trade seems to provide the most prosperity, opportunity, and freedom for citizens without getting into the muddy waters of either country having to absorb and be altered by the other country politically.

The diversification away from US trade dependence option sounds great but will be costly.  We may not have a choice if the tariffs remain in place, but clearly the economic union is the better option.  Could Canada weather the storm?  Sure.  Canada has mobilized successfully in its history, but it would cause a pain that Canadians would never forget. The world would take note of the blatant might is right 19th century aggression, but life would continue.

The third option, statehood, is cheaper for sure in the long run and it comes with greater opportunity and lower taxes, but loss of sovereignty.  Canadians won’t go for it unless we get to a place of desperation, but you don’t want it to get to that point.  Statehood puts us on level footing in terms of rights and opportunity as all other Americans, but it means that Canadian identity must assert itself culturally without the current cultural protectionism.  Canada becomes a kind of Texas North, which isn’t bad at all.  Texas has a smaller population than Canada but a larger economy. There could be state cultural protections and of course state laws and regulations for matters of state jurisdiction.  Good and bad?  Better overall than status quo?  I think it could be.

How much is Canadian sovereignty worth?  Is it worth more than being American citizens with all the attendant freedoms and opportunities?  I think sovereignty is worth a lot to Canadians at present.  Economic union is the answer if it’s something both countries will support, because it ends the tariffs and gives the citizens of both countries more options.  If Trump facilitates that he becomes a hero in both countries.  If he just causes hardship through tariffs with a population that doesn’t want statehood and gets no third option pleasing to both countries, Trump becomes hated like never before in Canada and strong alliances fail apart.  For what?   If he wants to lure Canadians with statehood, make a persuasive case for it and consider other options like economic union.

Edited January 17 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Uhhh, I for one am not interested in going fangs against the US lol. 

well I suspect that Canadian politicians are bluffing

but if Canada actually tried to cut America off from the oil & electricity

that could get out of Canada's control,

Canada biting off more than it was bargaining for

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m good with either an economic union with the US, or diversifying trade away from US and supplying our domestic market with our own refined oil, high value manufactured products, and generally becoming more independent militarily, or, last option, becoming the 51st state with American citizenship.  Any of those options can be a huge win for Canadians and Canadian culture, wealth, freedom and opportunity.  They aren’t the same things though. There are compromises for each path.  We should really think about this honestly.

Economic union seems like the best overall course, because it allows us to retain the policies that matter most and retain sovereign control of our country.   Being able to live and work anywhere in North America and to have complete free trade seems to provide the most prosperity, opportunity, and freedom for citizens without getting into the muddy waters of either country having to absorb and be altered by the other country politically.

The diversification away from US trade dependence option sounds great but will be costly.  We may not have a choice if the tariffs remain in place, but clearly the economic union is the better option.  Could Canada weather the storm?  Sure.  Canada has mobilized successfully in its history, but it would cause a pain that Canadians would never forget. The world would take note of the blatant might is right 19th century aggression, but life would continue.

The third option, statehood, is cheaper for sure in the long run and it comes with greater opportunity and lower taxes, but loss of sovereignty.  Canadians won’t go for it unless we get to a place of desperation, but you don’t want it to get to that point.  Statehood puts us on level footing in terms of rights and opportunity as all other Americans, but it means that Canadian identity must assert itself culturally without the current cultural protectionism.  Canada becomes a kind of Texas North, which isn’t bad at all.  Texas has a smaller population than Canada but a larger economy. There could be state cultural protections and of course state laws and regulations for matters of state jurisdiction.  Good and bad?  Better overall than status quo?  I think it could be.

How much is Canadian sovereignty worth?  Is it worth more than being American citizens with all the attendant freedoms and opportunities?  I think sovereignty is worth a lot to Canadians at present.  Economic union is the answer if it’s something both countries will support, because it ends the tariffs and gives the citizens of both countries more options.  If Trump facilitates that he becomes a hero in both countries.  If he just causes hardship through tariffs with a population that doesn’t want statehood and gets no third option pleasing to both countries, Trump becomes hated like never before in Canada and strong alliances fail apart.  For what?   If he wants to lure Canadians with statehood, make a persuasive case for it and consider other options like economic union.

I don't think that Republicans actually have a plan to annex Canada, nor offer any kind of citizenship

Canada has simply made itself into a proxy for the Democrat party

in the eyes of Republicans, Canada is the farm team for the Democrat party

so I would surmise that the actual plan is simply to punish Canada

it's not about making a deal, it's just about making an example of Canada

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't think that Republicans actually have a plan to annex Canada, nor offer any kind of citizenship

Canada has simply made itself into a proxy for the Democrat party

in the eyes of Republicans, Canada is the farm team for the Democrat party

so I would surmise that the actual plan is simply to punish Canada

it's not about making a deal, it's just about making an example of Canada

Well no one wants to be forced against their will to do anything.  A cornerstone of liberal democracy is self-determination.  Misunderstanding that is the flaw of overbearing governments that coerce their citizens.  It’s in fact exactly what the Freedom Convoy was opposing.  If the US is to win over Canadians, it can only be because the American way is the better way, freer and more prosperous.  If America is perceived as coercive, even if only economically, Canadians won’t go for it, nor should they.  I wouldn’t.  It would mean moving towards greater self-sufficiency in all areas, including militarily, and boosting other trade relationships, e.g. Britain, Europe, Mexico, South America, Asia, etc

Canadians can see for themselves how this has happened at different times in our history.  The Wuwei affair was an example.  America has gotten itself into trouble in the Middle East, Vietnam, etc.   it has come through the other side, however.  Canada has faced its own problems, like separatism and the early 90’s debt crisis.  We too have come through the other side.  The World Wars are examples of the power of Canadian mobilization.

So, whatever your or anyone’s particular political leanings are, short of undemocratic invasion of Canada by a foreign power, Canadians are going to decide what they want to do.  Trump’s power isn’t unlimited.  I don’t think he wants to lose the ideological culture war to the left, which will happen if he isn’t seen as a force for good by foreign powers.  Right now I think he’s better than the Democrat alternative, but people switch affiliations to serve their interests.

My bet is that Trump tries this tariff move as a way of winning trade concessions and a tighter border. Canadians will make their best estimate of how to respond.  The results may actually make Canada more independent, especially if we finally refine our own oil and diversify our trade away from America, build up our military to reduce reliance on the US, etc.  That makes our bargaining position much stronger.  Americans will pay a price for these tariffs too, remember, especially on the energy front.  Danielle Smith will be forced to fall in line with any Canadian plan to restrict exports and tariff imports because international oil trade falls under federal jurisdiction, unless of course Alberta separates, which has other steep costs to consider.

The Conservatives would be leading this movement to strengthen Canada.  Americans could still offer the alternative of statehood, but if it’s perceived as the result of coercion, economically or otherwise, Canadians won’t like the American way.   They’ll unify against it and find sympathetic international allies.  We still have important connections to Britain and Europe.  Markets in Asia and Africa and South America are growing.   This isn’t the same Western dominated world of 50 years ago.  Canada would find its place in that new reality.

That’s why I keep coming back to economic union, because it offers both countries the most access to resources and markets.   The Americans don’t have to go for it and either do Canadians, but it’s an underestimation of Canadians to assume that they’ll accept what America has to offer if Canadians feel that their hands are forced.

Everyone knows that the trade deficit numbers Trump is saying are exaggerated.  Everyone knows that we provide discounted oil to Americans and buy too many of our resources back in the form of finished manufactured products.  Everyone knows that Canada doesn’t have an over the top military primarily because we don’t have as many enemies as the US.  We haven’t played the imperial expansionist game that the Americans have, though we have let our military get too weak and made ourselves more vulnerable to foreign powers.

That’s not to say that there isn’t a strong case for statehood or economic union, but those are the cases that must be made, the options on the table, if Canada doesn’t take the path of greater independence from the US.   

Edited January 17 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well no one wants to be forced against their will to do anything.  A cornerstone of liberal democracy is self-determination.  Misunderstanding that is the flaw of overbearing governments that coerce their citizens.  It’s in fact exactly what the Freedom Convoy was opposing.  If the US is to win over Canadians, it can only be because the American way is the better way, freer and more prosperous.  If America is perceived as coercive, even if only economically, Canadians won’t go for it, nor should they.  I wouldn’t.  It would mean moving towards greater self-sufficiency in all areas, including militarily, and boosting other trade relationships, e.g. Britain, Europe, Mexico, South America, Asia, etc

Canadians can see for themselves how this has happened at different times in our history.  The Wuwei affair was an example.  America has gotten itself into trouble in the Middle East, Vietnam, etc.   it has come through the other side, however.  Canada has faced its own problems, like separatism and the early 90’s debt crisis.  We too have come through the other side.  The World Wars are examples of the power of Canadian mobilization.

So, whatever your or anyone’s particular political leanings are, short of undemocratic invasion of Canada by a foreign power, Canadians are going to decide what they want to do.  Trump’s power isn’t unlimited.  I don’t think he wants to lose the ideological culture war to the left, which will happen if he isn’t seen as a force for good by foreign powers.  Right now I think he’s better than the Democrat alternative, but people switch affiliations to serve their interests.

My bet is that Trump tries this tariff move as a way of winning trade concessions and a tighter border. Canadians will make their best estimate of how to respond.  The results may actually make Canada more independent, especially if we finally refine our own oil and diversify our trade away from America, build up our military to reduce reliance on the US, etc.  That makes our bargaining position much stronger.  Americans will pay a price for these tariffs too, remember, especially on the energy front.  Danielle Smith will be forced to fall in line with any Canadian plan to restrict exports and tariff imports because international oil trade falls under federal jurisdiction, unless of course Alberta separates, which has other steep costs to consider.

The Conservatives would be leading this movement to strengthen Canada.  Americans could still offer the alternative of statehood, but if it’s perceived as the result of coercion, economically or otherwise, Canadians won’t like the American way.   They’ll unify against it and find sympathetic international allies.  We still have important connections to Britain and Europe.  Markets in Asia and Africa and South America are growing.   This isn’t the same Western dominated world of 50 years ago.  Canada would find its place in that new reality.

That’s why I keep coming back to economic union, because it offers both countries the most access to resources and markets.   The Americans don’t have to go for it and either do Canadians, but it’s an underestimation of Canadians to assume that they’ll accept what America has to offer if Canadians feel that their hands are forced.

Everyone knows that the trade deficit numbers Trump is saying are exaggerated.  Everyone knows that we provide discounted oil to Americans and buy too many of our resources back in the form of finished manufactured products.  Everyone knows that Canada doesn’t have an over the top military primarily because we don’t have as many enemies as the US.  We haven’t played the imperial expansionist game that the Americans have, though we have let our military get too weak and made ourselves more vulnerable to foreign powers.

That’s not to say that there isn’t a strong case for statehood or economic union, but those are the cases that must be made, the options on the table, if Canada doesn’t take the path of greater independence from the US.   

again, I don't think this is all that complex

in broad strokes, MAGA loves the Freedom Convoy, plus Jordan Peterson & Co.

but otherwise despises the rest of Canada as being Justin Trudeauland

Canada has injected itself into the American culture war on the side of the Woke Democrats

this is not about trade, this is not about economics, this is ideological warfare

the government of Canada literally invoked the MAGA Republicans as being the enemies of Canada

on an international stage, Canada picked this fight in the big leagues

Canada is viewed as the poster child of the Woke bullies picking on conservatives

so now it's going to be open season on Canada ;

a bigger bully has come to give Canada a taste of its own medicine ; the process is the punishment

payback is a b!tch

simple as that

Edited January 17 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

59 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

again, I don't think this is all that complex

in broad strokes, MAGA loves the Freedom Convoy, plus Jordan Peterson & Co.

but otherwise despises the rest of Canada as being Justin Trudeauland

Canada has injected itself into the American culture war on the side of the Woke Democrats

this is not about trade, this is not about economics, this is ideological warfare

the government of Canada literally invoked the MAGA Republicans as being the enemies of Canada

on an international stage, Canada picked this fight in the big leagues

Canada is viewed as the poster child of the Woke bullies picking on conservatives

so now it's going to be open season on Canada ;

a bigger bully has come to give Canada a taste of its own medicine ; the process is the punishment

payback is a b!tch

simple as that

Yeah that’s about it.  I just don’t want to see everyday working people suffer because of this silliness.  Trudeau’s been publicly kicked to the curb with some sand kicked in his face for good measure.  Fair enough, but now people have to act like adults and strike sensible policies or the likes of Trump and even Poilievre could be construed as mere protest votes for people who only know how to blow things up rather than be productive forces for positive change.  Time will tell…

Edited January 17 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah that’s about it.  I just don’t want to see everyday working people suffer because of this silliness. 

I am prepared to suffer whatever privations as necessary

to see the Woke Progressive Post National State burned to the ground

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am prepared to suffer whatever privations as necessary

to see the Woke Progressive Post National State burned to the ground

It’s been fun watching the phoneys get a good drubbing. No doubt.  Moreover, the woke tentacles are deeply embedded in Canada’s institutions, governments, businesses, unions, universities, schools, etc.  It could take several years to remove them.  In fact, I’m not convinced it will happen.  

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the Laurentian Elites will lure the whole Confederation to its doom therein

they are already invoking some misguided sense of so called "Canadian Nationalism"

really what they mean is that Canadians should take the hit, to protect the entrenched vested interests in Ottawa

and the Normies, in their fear & loathing of America,  are of course taking the bait

a trade war against America will be a catastrophe

as contrary to popular Canadian sentiment, once it is a war, Americans will dig their heels in, reflexively

then Canada will be trapped, unable to win the war, yet unable to capitulate neither

Canadians will suffer many privations to avenge Justin Trudeau & the Liberal Party of Canada

just desserts, I suppose

English Canada has been destroyed by the corrupt french socialist Laurentian elite from Quebec. We do now live in a french controlled country and things will only get worse. The french are clueless as to how to run anything, especially a country. Many decades ago, the president of CN Rail had said that the french cannot run anything properly. They are just a bunch of farmers and church goers and told to have babies. It was the Catholic church that kept the french down and not the English has told. The only way out of this french mess is to get rid of Quebec once and for all. 😁

[NAME REMOVED]

 

 

Wab Kinew has really impressed me as of late. A proud Canadian.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

 

Wab Kinew has really impressed me as of late. A proud Canadian.

God helps those who help themselves. 

[Zeitgeist]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

God helps those who help themselves. 

Yup.  Kinew is a likeable guy, but his pitch is a continuation of the jellyfish victim narrative.  It’s weak. The NDP are all about expanding the welfare state and cannibalising the strong and successful.  It’s a compelling story in certain contexts, but we need rallying cries to hard work and self-reliance.  

Edited January 18 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

On 1/17/2025 at 2:02 AM, Dougie93 said:

well I suspect that Canadian politicians are bluffing

but if Canada actually tried to cut America off from the oil & electricity

that could get out of Canada's control,

Canada biting off more than it was bargaining for

It comes down to how much independence from the US means to Canadians.  What if it turns out that our own Canadian bureaucracy is holding us back?  There’s a dream of Canadian independence and strength with healthy alliances.  I think the closest we came to it in my lifetime was under Harper.  If we could have something like that again, that would be enough for most Canadians, and it doesn’t require compromising our sovereignty or irresponsible spending.  It’s far from perfect but it would be a good start.  

Edited January 18 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Wab Kinew has really impressed me as of late. A proud Canadian.

I've actually paddled a Canoe on Lake Wabamun. Awkward.