CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, herbie said: Note this section is CANADA FEDERAL. Conservatives are conservatives not the populist isolationist equal to Franco 'social conservative' cult pretending to claim the name south of the border and definitely not welcome to infect Canada with their vitriol. No actual Conservative supporter I've ever encountered supports Putin, and Harper is in Israel right now backing them fully. Some around here seem oblivious to the fact PP will welcome your vote and then kick the extremist views to the backroom. Canada has always been run from the center and if that's too "left" for your liking you're S.O.L. I don't think most conservatives support putin over much but at the end of the day conservatives aren't like liberals - we don't all think the same thing. That's allowed. You can have conservatives who like putin even if most don't and they're still 'real' conservatives. As for PP he'll run the country from the middle right for the most part and he's made no bones about it. He's pro abortion rights, but hes fiscally conservative, and mostly he doesnt' care about the culture wars he just wants the gov't to run right and the people to be able to afford food and shelter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Who here was alive during the October Crisis? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Interesting times. Alot of people were rounded up. But the situation was a real threat , compared to the convoy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, PIK said: Interesting times. Alot of people were rounded up. But the situation was a real threat , compared to the convoy. Which is why martial law was declared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Which is why martial law was declared. Which is why it was inappropriate for justin to use the modern version. The FLQ was a real threat. Bouncy-castles are not real threats. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Thats because it isn't the same, other than the push to silence dissenting voices. This in my opinion, is wrong. It's not even a push to silence dissenting voices. It was a push to move out nuisances. Nobody from the Freedumb convoy was silenced. Tamara Lich is still yap yap yapping away. Alexander Navalny is dead. That you're even trying to draw the comparison is pathetic. 6 hours ago, Perspektiv said: One uses the media and overreaching powers, the other uses murder and bogus jail sentences. The other controls the media, has near-absolute power, and murders and jails anyone who dissents. In Canada, we have a dopey mop-head who has no idea what he's doing, and who goofed up spectacularly. He doesn't have more control after the Emergencies Act. He has less. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, Moonbox said: In Canada, we have a dopey mop-head who has no idea what he's doing, and who goofed up spectacularly. Yes but when Trudeau isn't being cast as a weak pathetic goof he's described as an authoritarian on par with Hitler and Stalin. I have little doubt Hitler and Stalin would be disgusted at the comparison. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Minister of Environment & Climate Change of Canada . . . . The Honourable Steven Guilbeault. You're doing a fine job Stevie . . . . keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: It was a push to move out nuisances. He labeled the movement as racists and Nazis after one swastika flag was seen. This precisely had a silencing effect on the thunder they had under their feet. 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Tamara Lich is still yap yap yapping away. Irrelevant. In one divisive move, Trudeau turned her power into a caricature. 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: That you're even trying to draw the comparison is pathetic. There is a comparison in an obtuse overreach. Not one being exactly like the other. Something that was specified. 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: The other controls the media, has near-absolute power, and murders and jails anyone who dissents Exactly. We have laws that prevent what is happening in Russia. Point I made. Both are acting abusively within the systems that they have. One has far more power than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Just now, Perspektiv said: He labeled the movement as racists and Nazis after one swastika flag was seen. I think that you forgot about Pat King, listed as an organizer. Several others who denigrated Islam... You sure like to slant the truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: gov't to run right and the people to be able to afford food and shelter. Definitely NOT what other parties want, eh? You want govt involvement in the economy and social programs because you're a conservative and that's what they do, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, herbie said: Definitely NOT what other parties want, eh? Apparently not - they want carbon taxes and insane levels of immigration and high inflation and people dependent on hand outs. Hell - they were just pitching that again the other day - "If PP cancel the carbon tax he'll also cancel the rebates we send you and how will your family get by?" Forgetting to mention they pay more with the carbon tax. They sure don't care if people can eat or have shelter - how else do you explain the fact they were officially WARNED by their own people that sky high inflation and home/rent prices would be the result of their immigration policy and they ploughed ahead anyway. These people don't give a single crap about you - Jagmeet talks about how much he cares about the plight of the average person who can't afford milk while wearing a 12 thousand dollar rolex. Quote You want govt involvement in the economy and social programs because you're a conservative and that's what they do, right? When did i say i wanted that? I said Pierre is going to care about if people can eat or have a roof over their heads. And FOR SURE that's what the conservatives do. Everything gets more expensive under a liberal gov't. But i think that it'll be more about untangling gov't from business and reducing immigration to sane levels than it will be about gov't involvement. And that will take some work, Trudeau and Jagmeet have created quite the birds nest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I think that you forgot about Pat King, listed as an organizer. Several others who denigrated Islam... You sure like to slant the truth... Again, a real leader would have met with them, would have listened to their concerns and grievences, and tried to find a comprimise and solution. Trudeau is not a leader, he hid out with his sudden case of 'convenient covid' . . . the country and the world saw him as he really is . . . and the country is weary of him. Very weary. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 24 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Again, a real leader would have met with them, would have listened to their concerns and grievences, and tried to find a comprimise and solution. Trudeau is not a leader, he hid out with his sudden case of 'convenient covid' . . . the country and the world saw him as he really is . . . and the country is weary of him. Very weary. For the win. But his whole time in office has been one of division and pitting one group against another, dividing people and fostering hostility, and no where was that more true than with covid and vaccinations. After he made such a fuss about it and called these people 'wastes of space' that they'd have to 'decide if they would tolerate' , how could he then treat them like human beings? It would have completely ruined his messaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Several others who denigrated Islam Doesn't make the entire movement a racist one filled with Nazis. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Trudeau is not a leader That's what it boils down to for me. A leader understands he is of service to the people. There's a humility that must come with the job. To quote Obama, you must "be willing to be the dumbest person in the room". Surrounding yourself not by yes men, but by competent experts who will get the job done. Sadly, Trudeau took those words literally, vs symbolically. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 17 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Where do I state they are the same thing? When why the allusion? What was the point of it? Yes world isn't perfect and democratic governments happen to abuse their powers. They need to be exposed and stopped, if and when they happen not years and decades after the fact, that is useless and ridiculous. But here we have a bloodthirsty violent thug on a murderous rampage and instead of doing everything possible to stop him - not out of charity even, just common sense because he won't stop on one victim obviously; we have these conservatives, nope lets freeze everything and chat about Trudeau. Who do you want to fool with these tricks? You are cheering for Putin and thugs like him by the act, and inaction more than by any words. The act and the deed, they speak everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perspektiv Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 29 minutes ago, myata said: What was the point of it? Whats the point of people comparing Trump to Hitler? Did he gas millions of people? Or some of his behaviors are similar? Why the double standard? 39 minutes ago, myata said: They need to be exposed and stopped I would agree if this was done equally. 41 minutes ago, myata said: But here we have a bloodthirsty violent thug on a murderous rampage and instead of doing everything possible to stop him How can you stop Putin without going to war with him? Sanctions? They haven't hurt him as bad as anticipated. Shaming? Grinding him out with the Ukraine war? Putin only respects consequences. Slaps on the wrists and tough talk won't cut it. 46 minutes ago, myata said: The act and the deed, they speak everything. How do you stop Putin? Tell me. How does one stop the Ukraine war? With a foe willing to grind this out for a decade if he has to, and no slowing of finances from his key allies. Reality, is brute force or the threat of it is how you command the respect of such a person. Otherwise expect him to boldly assert himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 23 hours ago, myata said: No talking with a gramophone, what would be the point? Here Mush-Mouth...meet Alex Navalny. https://rumble.com/v4dw53t-theyre-lying-about-alexei-navalny-putins-enemy.html Hava a nice day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaétan Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 29 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Here Mush-Mouth...meet Alex Navalny. https://rumble.com/v4dw53t-theyre-lying-about-alexei-navalny-putins-enemy.html Hava a nice day... The anti-Putin propaganda around Navalny's death is proof that he served the interests of the Russians' enemies more than his people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 20 minutes ago, Gaétan said: The anti-Putin propaganda around Navalny's death is proof that he served the interests of the Russians' enemies more than his people. Navalny was a real live white supremacist. The supposed poisoning of Navalny was absolute bullshit. Alex Navalny was nothing more than an opportunistic little stooge. https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/10/11/navalnys-novichok-hoax-who-are-the-instigators/ Novichok LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 (edited) 13 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Irrelevant. In one divisive move, Trudeau turned her power into a caricature. Her power? She was never anything more than a loud and angry fool, and that she remains - alive and breathing. 13 hours ago, Perspektiv said: There is a comparison in an obtuse overreach. Not one being exactly like the other. Something that was specified. Your comparison is ridiculous, and the fact that you can reach for similarities doesn't change that. You're like a big black gay drag-queen, because you both have buttholes and opinions. I'm not saying you're exactly the same, but the similarities are clear. 🙄 13 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Exactly. We have laws that prevent what is happening in Russia. Point I made. Very good. We have laws that prevent what's happening in Russia. We also have free elections, freedom of speech, free media, an independent judiciary etc... The point is, that you really don't have much of a point. You're just drawing a dopey false equivalence. Edited February 20 by Moonbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Perspektiv said: Reality, is brute force or the threat of it So from one end of the mouth you talk about "force" and the other, blocking all assistance to those who actually stand up to the thug? That's called "true conservatism" these days? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 13 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said: Trudeau is not a leader, he hid out with his sudden case of 'convenient covid In reality, he crushed them when everyone else was paralyzed with their thumbs up their arse. That's what leaders do, they act when someone must. They aren't obsequious panderers to every handful of malcontents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 11 minutes ago, herbie said: In reality, he crushed them when everyone else was paralyzed with their thumbs up their arse. That's what leaders do, they act when someone must. They aren't obsequious panderers to every handful of malcontents. He acted...poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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