What is wrong with today's Conservatives?

[myata]

Putin jails his political opponents - and then, he kills them. This is Iran; North Korea. So why do some Conservatives tacitly admire him? ("genius": and the resounding silence). Why wouldn't they want to stand up to him?

Astounding. Perplexing. And shameful. There are no words that can explain and excuse this. Disgusting too.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, myata said:

Putin jails his political opponents

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

Also, Canada has kept politically opposed protesters in jail, without a trial. Tried to get them put back while on bail, only to have this refuted.

Where's the outrage?

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

Not really. 

4 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Also, Canada has kept politically opposed protesters in jail, without a trial. Tried to get them put back while on bail, only to have this refuted.

How many of them accidentally fell off balconies, had freak plane accidents, were dosed with nerve agents or radioactive poisons, shot on the streets or disappeared to Siberia (I guess in our case, the Northwest Territories)??

Yes, your attempt at moral equivalence was fantastically dumb.  

 

[myata]

23 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

Brain-dead people, brain-dead muzak. Nobody made you: it's a choice.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

LOL - first thought that came to my mind too

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Also, Canada has kept politically opposed protesters in jail, without a trial. Tried to get them put back while on bail, only to have this refuted.

Not to mention declaring the emergency act on peaceful protesters AND their bouncy castles.

Having said that putin killing people is nothing new so it's not really something i'm going to get worked up over. Its literally every day and everyone knew it was a de facto dictatorship years ago.

I'm sure there's many who admire his 'strength' such as it is. He does give off the vibe of a master chess player who always looks like everything is going according to plan  (in which case that's a hell of a crappy plan but who am i to judge )

Here's the thing - once you accept that it's ok to like a leader who's corrupt or criminal then really there's no barrier to it.  Justin commited all kinds of crime, trashed canada, tore apart families and communities and yes, people died, all to win some votes. And there's STILL people today who would vote for him. Trump is a pretty questionable character and he's likely going to be the next president.... again! Bill Clinton raped women and his wife covered it up and there's many who still love him.

Personally i think it should be the responsibility of every citizen to pull down corrupt and evil leaders like that just as the PC party was torn down when it became corrupt, or the socreds in bc or other parties in other provinces over the years.

But - there's a lot of people who disagree with that. Even on this forum. So - this is what you get.

[myata]

Note that this comes as close to justification of fascism and dictatorship as it gets. Not even a grain of dust left.

"Some could argue that others are doing the same as Hitler" -> Hitler is just like everyone else; only misunderstood maybe.

Yes but you didn't have to listen to obvious bullsh*t and give it a credit of a doubt without any evidence and in a glaring contradiction to the reality. You had the eyes and the brain. Using them was a privilege and responsibility, not a free ticket for every dumb or senseless idea imaginable. So it was a choice and there are no excuses.

Edited February 19 by myata

[Guest]

3 hours ago, myata said:

Brain-dead people, brain-dead muzak. Nobody made you: it's a choice.

That doesn't really answer or refute my point in any way shape or form.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Not really. 

Yes really. Some of those charges have been deemed as politically motivated. The timing of it, the assumption of guilt. The fact some of these allegations are clearly hit pieces based on anyone who knows law, and how unlikely some of them are to do anything other than slow down his ascent.

Democrats are petrified of another Trump presidency. Not because of how incompetent they feel he is, but of how realistic him winning will be.

3 hours ago, Moonbox said:

How many of them accidentally fell off balconies

None. We're a western country with strong laws that would prevent something like this to go unpunished.

Trudeau within this system, abused of his powers in an obtuse manner by freezing bank accounts, and essentially painting a false narrative of lumping an entire movement with the label of Nazi--racists and calling their opinions unacceptable.

He used obtuse powers to crack down on dissent, after scolding China of doing the same with Hong Kong.  and fueling that fire with divisive words and fear mongering.

You're pointing at it not being identical. That's blatantly obvious.

I'm simply pointing out how he abused of his powers the same (knowing the limits of which he could get away with it), and used the media to bury dissenting voices and turning the population against them.

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Yes, your attempt at moral equivalence was fantastically dumb. 

You taking my post out of context and painting the narrative is both greasy, lazy and low IQ of you. Essentially, as advertised coming from you.

[myata]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

That doesn't really answer or refute my point in any way shape or form.

Did the Democrats, Trudeau, etc "just like any other country" jail their political opponents for years, tried to poison them and then, killed them?

Are you dumb honestly (no offense, only in the medical sense) or is this something else (what)?

Edited February 19 by myata

[Nationalist]

7 hours ago, myata said:

Putin jails his political opponents - and then, he kills them. This is Iran; North Korea. So why do some Conservatives tacitly admire him? ("genius": and the resounding silence). Why wouldn't they want to stand up to him?

Astounding. Perplexing. And shameful. There are no words that can explain and excuse this. Disgusting too.

Excuse me? Who said they admire Putin?

[myata]

"Genius"; "Very honorable person". And their resounding silence, too.

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

That doesn't really answer or refute my point in any way shape or form.

Yes really. Some of those charges have been deemed as politically motivated. The timing of it, the assumption of guilt. The fact some of these allegations are clearly hit pieces based on anyone who knows law, and how unlikely some of them are to do anything other than slow down his ascent.

Democrats are petrified of another Trump presidency. Not because of how incompetent they feel he is, but of how realistic him winning will be.

None. We're a western country with strong laws that would prevent something like this to go unpunished.

Trudeau within this system, abused of his powers in an obtuse manner by freezing bank accounts, and essentially painting a false narrative of lumping an entire movement with the label of Nazi--racists and calling their opinions unacceptable.

He used obtuse powers to crack down on dissent, after scolding China of doing the same with Hong Kong.  and fueling that fire with divisive words and fear mongering.

You're pointing at it not being identical. That's blatantly obvious.

I'm simply pointing out how he abused of his powers the same (knowing the limits of which he could get away with it), and used the media to bury dissenting voices and turning the population against them.

You taking my post out of context and painting the narrative is both greasy, lazy and low IQ of you. Essentially, as advertised coming from you.

Don't be too upset buddy. Moonbat has no honor and will lie and warp reality endlessly.

It's what Libbies do.. 

4 minutes ago, myata said:

"Genius"; "Very honorable person". And their resounding silence, too.

Are you talking about people here? Or are you upset with Orangemanbad...still...

[myata]

No talking with a gramophone, what would be the point?

[OftenWrong]

What is wrong with conservatives is, liberals. They've taken themselves over a cliff and we need to be rescued from them. Canada must cut 'em loose, lest we end up shackled to a corpse. Death of society. The so-called post national state.

That is why it's up to us, Conservatives, to protect Canada from the gone-mad liberals. There needs to be an intervention. Take them off the stage. Wrap them in a carpet, maybe.

Someone throw a bag over his head.

Maybe one day they will come back to being a more true liberal, as Canadians understand it, more moderate and understanding. But that is their problem now. We need a way for Canada to go forward, and in the RIGHT direction.

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

Also, Canada has kept politically opposed protesters in jail, without a trial. Tried to get them put back while on bail, only to have this refuted.

Where's the outrage?

Ridiculous. Convoy babies who couldn't work with their lawyers to get sprung on bail have themselves to blame. To use this as what aboutism against a dictator murdering his opponents is condemnable .

26 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Excuse me? Who said they admire Putin?

And that's the only problem I have with this thread. Conservatives do not admire Putin. Tacitly, Trump might, and some of his cronies might keep quiet to keep him happy. That's condemnable.

But conservatives in the west have freedom as a core value.

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, myata said:

Did the Democrats, Trudeau, etc "just like any other country" jail their political opponents for years

Both have attempted to do so.

Its not the same, because the west has checks and balances in place that limit what they can do to dissenting voices or threats to their power.

44 minutes ago, myata said:

Are you dumb honestly

You're choosing to take my words out of context, when I was rather specific on the differences and similarities I was eluding to.

Trump has been compared to Hitler. By many, no less.

So where is the line when it comes down to comparison?

It sticks if they aren't likeable. You focus on my intelligence, when you should focus on refuting my point.

Something you have yet to do.

39 minutes ago, myata said:

"Genius"; "Very honorable person". And their resounding silence, too.

Are these common conservative voices, or are you simply eluding to Trump, to paint all conservatives with the same brush?

Many conservative voices have denounced Putin for his actions.

You're pulling stuff out of your butt, in horrible context for clickbait, yet can't support any of it with accurate facts.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? An obtuse power overreach to silence dissent, after scolding China for silencing the protests in Hong Kong via brutal crack downs.

The level of threat didn't satisfy the threshold requirements.

23 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Conservatives do not admire Putin.

Yet nobody will call out the OP on his statement, which is clearly trolling. 

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Moonbat has no honor and will lie and warp reality endlessly.

Cowardice in the lowest form.

I remember Don Cherry saying something spot on, and his co-host looking panicked and finding the most politically correct thing to say to avoid risking his job.

That, or throw his friend under the bus whenever he could, and have the nerve to show up to work.

Can't stand for anything, and rather agree with whatever won't get him pressure or forced to answer the bell.

This is precisely the type of person driving policies, today. No clue, doesn't know what they stand on. All over the place.

Nothing to do with reason or logic.

Just know if you disagree with them, you must be silenced, but of course, they're cowards, so they do it via screen shots, passive aggression and hiding behind others even online.

[myata]

One can be dumb or it's something out of this world of logic. How can one misinterpret this? Out of what "context"? Why us

14 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

It sticks if they aren't likeable. You focus on my intelligence, when you should focus on refuting my point.

And this is your point. How can one "misinterpret" it? What is the "context"? When did any of the alleged culprits jail their political opponents; send then to hard labor; try to poison them, repeatedly; and kill them?

8 hours ago, myata said:

Putin jails his political opponents

"Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same."

Then, to the next point many modern Conservatives admire certain pathologically lying buffoon who has openly admired Putin and other dictator thugs. They also undermine, increasingly and deliberately, standing up to them. Who cannot put two and two together? 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Cowardice in the lowest form.

I remember Don Cherry saying something spot on, and his co-host looking panicked and finding the most politically correct thing to say to avoid risking his job.

That, or throw his friend under the bus whenever he could, and have the nerve to show up to work.

Can't stand for anything, and rather agree with whatever won't get him pressure or forced to answer the bell.

This is precisely the type of person driving policies, today. No clue, doesn't know what they stand on. All over the place.

Nothing to do with reason or logic.

Just know if you disagree with them, you must be silenced, but of course, they're cowards, so they do it via screen shots, passive aggression and hiding behind others even online.

They can't hide from karma...and they know it.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ridiculous. Convoy babies who couldn't work with their lawyers to get sprung on bail have themselves to blame. To use this as what aboutism against a dictator murdering his opponents is condemnable .

And that's the only problem I have with this thread. Conservatives do not admire Putin. Tacitly, Trump might, and some of his cronies might keep quiet to keep him happy. That's condemnable.

But conservatives in the west have freedom as a core value.

At least you force me to stop and think. Still driven by the same willingness to accept a double standard, but...under more control and a modicum of reason. We're that you could impart that to the likes of @robosmith. Meh...it is to hope.

Put in does seem to dispose of any opposition brutaly. Brutality...a trait of a bear?

There's an old saying..."Don't poke the bear." Perhaps you've heard it?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

1. How is it ridiculous? An obtuse power overreach to silence dissent, after scolding China for silencing the protests in Hong Kong via brutal crack downs.

2. The level of threat didn't satisfy the threshold requirements.

3. Yet nobody will call out the OP on his statement, which is clearly trolling. 

1. Comparison of a murder with charges that Trudeau didn't order is ridiculous.

2. Fair, and based on judicial review.

3. I actually did.

 

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Some could argue the Democrats are doing the same.

Also, Canada has kept politically opposed protesters in jail, without a trial. Tried to get them put back while on bail, only to have this refuted.

Where's the outrage?

Come on. You're usually more sensible than this.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

1. At least you force me to stop and think. Still driven by the same willingness to accept a double standard,  

1. If you see me do this, call me out.  I'm not above being unreasonable at times.

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - first thought that came to my mind too

Not to mention declaring the emergency act on peaceful protesters AND their bouncy castles.

Having said that putin killing people is nothing new so it's not really something i'm going to get worked up over. Its literally every day and everyone knew it was a de facto dictatorship years ago.

I'm sure there's many who admire his 'strength' such as it is. He does give off the vibe of a master chess player who always looks like everything is going according to plan  (in which case that's a hell of a crappy plan but who am i to judge )

Here's the thing - once you accept that it's ok to like a leader who's corrupt or criminal then really there's no barrier to it.  Justin commited all kinds of crime, trashed canada, tore apart families and communities and yes, people died, all to win some votes. And there's STILL people today who would vote for him. Trump is a pretty questionable character and he's likely going to be the next president.... again! Bill Clinton raped women and his wife covered it up and there's many who still love him.

Personally i think it should be the responsibility of every citizen to pull down corrupt and evil leaders like that just as the PC party was torn down when it became corrupt, or the socreds in bc or other parties in other provinces over the years.

But - there's a lot of people who disagree with that. Even on this forum. So - this is what you get.

I can't help noticing in that list of corrupt leaders you somehow missed mentioning Trump.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

That doesn't really answer or refute my point in any way shape or form.

Yes really. Some of those charges have been deemed as politically motivated.

Deemed? Deemed by whom?