Trudeau's colossal failure: Our entire economy depends on Rogers?

[West]

The take down of Rogers, and by extension a good chunk of our banking system, shows how vulnerable Trudeau and the rest of the SDG nut bags have made our entire economy. Our politicians are causing one disaster after another

[Michael Hardner]

I think the main thing we should learn from this crisis is that there is absolutely no limit to what the Trudeau haters will blame on our foppish PM ?

[500channelsurfer]

The Canadian economy oligopoly has been this way for decades, long before either Trudeau.

The tragedy is that no one has put legitimate effort into fixing this issue.

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think the main thing we should learn from this crisis is that there is absolutely no limit to what the Trudeau haters will blame on our foppish PM ?

It's a False Flag Operation.  Conservatives took down the Rogers network to make Trudeau look bad (worse?).

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, 500channelsurfer said:

The Canadian economy oligopoly has been this way for decades, long before either Trudeau.

And it's cold too.

 

THANKS JUSTIN 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And it's cold too.

 

THANKS JUSTIN 

Mike I shot a round of golf and am now on my deck enjoying a beautiful day by the pool...which is the best relief for a stiff back...

It's not cold.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

To this...debacle. 

Rodgers obviously doesn't have a very good disaster recovery system. 

[Goddess]

Does everyone still think going completely digital is the best idea ever?

[West]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

Does everyone still think going completely digital is the best idea ever?

I see that nut Klaus Schwab sees a great need to give him total control over cyber security ?

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, West said:

I see that nut Klaus Schwab sees a great need to give him total control over cyber security ?

To blame Trudeau or Schwab is one of the stupidest things you have said in a long time.

Successive governments, be they liberal or conservative, have allowed huge infrastructure monopolies. In transportation like airlines or cell phones or internet. All in the desire to save Canadian business.

By not allowing competition for fear of lessening Canadian business, we have become complacent in the demands and requirements.

 

Edited July 9, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Aristides]

19 hours ago, Goddess said:

Does everyone still think going completely digital is the best idea ever?

Too late, a modern society can’t function without it. Obviously there isn’t enough redundancy in our infrastructure to cope with one system going down.

[West]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

To blame Trudeau or Schwab is one of the stupidest things you have said in a long time.

Successive governments, be they liberal or conservative, have allowed huge infrastructure monopolies. In transportation like airlines or cell phones or internet. All in the desire to save Canadian business.

By not allowing competition for fear of lessening Canadian business, we have become complacent in the demands and requirements.

 

Chinese telecom companies aren't exactly a great idea either. 

And I'm only speaking to the WEFs desire for digital ID and the likes. We saw what these nut bars can do when you say something they disagree with.. I don't support a system that can lock your bank account down for attending a demonstration. 

To think these idiots are also floating a cashless society 

Edited July 9, 2022 by West

[ExFlyer]

53 minutes ago, West said:

Chinese telecom companies aren't exactly a great idea either. 

And I'm only speaking to the WEFs desire for digital ID and the likes. We saw what these nut bars can do when you say something they disagree with.. I don't support a system that can lock your bank account down for attending a demonstration. 

To think these idiots are also floating a cashless society 

Like Pollievre?

[West]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Like Pollievre?

Pollievre is probably a WEF flunky too

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, West said:

Pollievre is probably a WEF flunky too

You're not going to win in this country, unless you're fully on boart.

[ExFlyer]

21 minutes ago, West said:

Pollievre is probably a WEF flunky too

 But, but, but he is a conservative

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, West said:

Pollievre is probably a WEF flunky too

I'm not sure about Poilievre's connection to the WEF if any. I have read that he is or was  involved with them in some capacity but now he's saying he'll boycott the WEF. I hope he won't want anything to do with them but it's questionable.

 

Pierre Poilievre says he and his cabinet would boycott World Economic Forum | True North (tnc.news)

 

[cougar]

On 7/8/2022 at 1:47 PM, West said:

The take down of Rogers, and by extension a good chunk of our banking system, shows how vulnerable Trudeau and the rest of the SDG nut bags have made our entire economy. Our politicians are causing one disaster after another

So what exactly happened to Rogers ?

Why the outage?

[West]

16 hours ago, ironstone said:

I'm not sure about Poilievre's connection to the WEF if any. I have read that he is or was  involved with them in some capacity but now he's saying he'll boycott the WEF. I hope he won't want anything to do with them but it's questionable.

 

Pierre Poilievre says he and his cabinet would boycott World Economic Forum | True North (tnc.news)

 

WEF/UN SDGs (corporate fascism dressed as caring).. all the same thing. 

Ones the corporate wing the other is the government wing

[blackbird]

The telecommunications network is made up of countless microprocessor circuit boards all interconnected.  The servers that failed are made up these circuit boards which are simply man-made and not infallible.  I don't see how any government can prevent that vulnerability.  Hardware and software are simply man-made and always will be subject to failure sooner or later.  The cost of the system is likely billions of dollars so it would not be possible to build a backup system alongside the working system.  Nobody wants to pay for that.  

The fact is Canadians don't even have a reliable, efficient health care system.  Provincial and federal governments don't want to fund the health care system properly.  It already takes tens of billions of dollars to fund the health care system in each province.  So politicians are scared stiff of increasing taxes to fund it properly.  Everybody demands a proper health care system, but nobody wants to pay for it.  Think how they would react if the cost of smart phones, internet, and television had to be doubled in order to pay for a backup system.  It's not going to happen.  

[WestCanMan]

On 7/8/2022 at 2:00 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I think the main thing we should learn from this crisis is that there is absolutely no limit to what the Trudeau haters will blame on our foppish PM ?

Obviously that's not the main thing to learn from this crisis ffs.

1) We have too many eggs in one basket in the telecom/internet sector

2) Our economy is too reliant upon technology now

3) Going completely digital with currency is not feasible because our economy can be turned off like a lightswitch

As far as the criticism against Trudeau is concerned, I don't know how much of this should be pinned on him. I don't remember whether Harper was opposed to massive telecom mergers, in favour of them, whether he was completely in favour of moving towards a system where we're all completely reliant on tech or not, or whether or not this was even something that he was talking about. Maybe he was oblivious. I dunno, so I won't weigh in until some of those questions are answered.

Right now, statements to the effect of "this is all Trudeau's fault" are unsubstantiated, although that may not end up being the case. Maybe Harper was just as guilty or more, I don't recall. 

What we absolutely can say about Trudeau though, is his main concerns about the internet and currency to this point have been:

1) the gov't needs to control the flow of information

2) the gov't wants to move towards a digital currency 

3) the gov't cannot be trusted with the amount of power they would exercise over digital currency, so we still need the traditional alternatives. 

All 3 of his main priorities seem pretty fascist in nature, without any concern whatsoever for the risks that they pose... Go figger. 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, blackbird said:

The telecommunications network is made up of countless microprocessor circuit boards all interconnected.  The servers that failed are made up these circuit boards which are simply man-made and not infallible.  I don't see how any government can prevent that vulnerability.  Hardware and software are simply man-made and always will be subject to failure sooner or later.  The cost of the system is likely billions of dollars so it would not be possible to build a backup system alongside the working system.  Nobody wants to pay for that.  

Was it a hardware problem with the servers, software, power outage, or data breech/hack/ransom?

I'm not an expert on our internet infrastructure, how much of it is hard-wired and how much is satellite based, or if it is hard-wired - are there several min arteries or one central one? 

In any event, I agree that we can't base the survival of our economy on the internet alone. We need to have a feasible backup plan that kicks in with a minimum amount of interruption to our everything.

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The fact is Canadians don't even have a reliable, efficient health care system.  Provincial and federal governments don't want to fund the health care system properly.  It already takes tens of billions of dollars to fund the health care system in each province.  So politicians are scared stiff of increasing taxes to fund it properly.  Everybody demands a proper health care system, but nobody wants to pay for it.  Think how they would react if the cost of smart phones, internet, and television had to be doubled in order to pay for a backup system.  It's not going to happen.  

Quite a different topic, I'm not sure how you're connecting the two. 

Healthcare is completely a political issue now, and if we can learn anything from the States, parties don't want to solve these types of issues anymore because as long as they remain issues they are something that you can always fire up your base about.  

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Was it a hardware problem with the servers, software, power outage, or data breech/hack/ransom?

I'm not an expert on our internet infrastructure, how much of it is hard-wired and how much is satellite based, or if it is hard-wired - are there several min arteries or one central one? 

In any event, I agree that we can't base the survival of our economy on the internet alone. We need to have a feasible backup plan that kicks in with a minimum amount of interruption to our everything.

Quite a different topic, I'm not sure how you're connecting the two. 

Healthcare is completely a political issue now, and if we can learn anything from the States, parties don't want to solve these types of issues anymore because as long as they remain issues they are something that you can always fire up your base about.  

It was apparently a hardware problem to do with with servers.  Could be software related.  As far a I can tell, there is no simple "backup plan" because the system is made up of such a vast amount of servers, electronic equipment controlled by software.  A backup would mean another duplicate complete network which is not economic or feasible.  Whether they can build some kind of backup system into it I don't know.

All I was doing in pointing out healthcare is giving an example of the failures in every system, be it the internet, health care, transportation systems, etc.  There is no perfect man-made system of such complexity and vast size.

People want a public health care system, but it looks like politicians and their supporters don't want to pay for it and now that it is shared with the federal government, it is easier to pass the buck and blame the other level of government for not paying enough to fund it properly.  All this seems to be a flaw with a Socialist health care system.   If it were funded solely by the provinces, at least everyone would know who to blame and politicians could not play political games with it and blame the other level of government.  This is what we are witnessing now.

Edited July 11, 2022 by blackbird