Trucker's Convoy

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

6 weeks she's been in the hospital now.

I don't pray to the Lord often

He has already given me so much

He has protected me all my life

but I will take to my knees to pray for your wife

sacred marriage takes precedence over any conflict we me have with each other

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Here are my main thoughts about the trucker convoy: 

- They have every right to protest.
- I suspect the government might have had classified information that the funding at the very top is coming from overseas. With tense relations that we have with China and Russia now, who knows where the money came from. 
- Protest turned into something else in my view. I agree with the decision to clear the streets, it was turning into a circus and an embarrassment, don't care if that is authoritarian or that I am not a "real" Canadian as some "nationalists" are probably going to accuse me of. 
- I don't agree with the decision of the government to just start freezing bank accounts, especially in such a fast time, this reminded me of the FISA courts story in the US . Without a bank account and digital payment you are basically in a prison. 

I sympathized with the truckers

but I believe that vaccine mandates are in fact constitutional

but when the government invoked martial law against a protest under false pretenses

then seized property without court order

that was treason

no quarter, no mercy, no succour for traitors against our Crown

 

[PIK]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Here are my main thoughts about the trucker convoy: 

- They have every right to protest.
- I suspect the government might have had classified information that the funding at the very top is coming from overseas. With tense relations that we have with China and Russia now, who knows where the money came from. 
- Protest turned into something else in my view. I agree with the decision to clear the streets, it was turning into a circus and an embarrassment, don't care if that is authoritarian or that I am not a "real" Canadian as some "nationalists" are probably going to accuse me of. 
- I don't agree with the decision of the government to just start freezing bank accounts, especially in such a fast time, this reminded me of the FISA courts story in the US . Without a bank account and digital payment you are basically in a prison. 

Agree. If i remember Trudeau said he could do nothing about the horns, but yet a 21 yr old student went to court and stopped it. If Tru, makes you wonder if he wanted it to continue to blame it on the right.

On 8/2/2022 at 7:03 PM, Dougie93 said:

which is far more democratic than Canada, which is a monarchy

none the less, Parliamentary Supremacy, the authority of the monarch, is not an entitlement

there is no requirement for an election to bring a government in Canada down

hence why the tyrant Trudeau falsely invoked martial law to attack peaceful protesters violently

not only a betrayal of those protesters fundamental Charter rights

but a violation of Trudeau's solemn oath to "be truthful & bear faithful allegiance"

unlawful use of military force against HM subjects

making war upon loyalist patriotic Canadian citizens exercising their fundamental Charter rights

that is making war upon Canada itself

which is the definition of High Treason

under Section 46b of the Criminal Code

b) "levies war against Canada or does any act preparatory thereto"

God save the Queen from this Bolsehvist Quisling

Pro Patria

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by PIK

[West]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You are quoting an American fake news network and a right wing reporters comments as your source??

C'mon, you have to be able to do better than that LOL

Lol... so your going with the clip from Madcow is doctored? 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

No I'm more like the guy who's becoming more pissed off the longer COVID is complicating my wife's recovery from surgery.

6 weeks she's been in the hospital now.

I’m sorry to hear that.  Nevertheless, murdering the unvaccinated isn’t peachy.

[Dougie93]

we are ultra conservative inherently counterrevolutionary Orangemen of Upper Canada

when we are incited to any sort of revolt whatsoever

that's when you know, everything has gone off the rails

[Contrarian]

33 minutes ago, PIK said:

Agree. If i remember Trudeau said he could do nothing about the horns, but yet a 21 yr old student went to court and stopped it. If Tru, makes you wonder if he wanted it to continue to blame it on the right.

 

Yes but it makes sense politically if this scenario/speculation is true. 

The trucker convoy was losing public support, so why stop the circus if it wants to keep playing? 

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yes but it makes sense politically if this scenario/speculation is true. 

The trucker convoy was losing public support, so why stop the circus if it wants to keep playing? 

the trucker convoy was just the tip of the iceberg

ultimately, those on the Canadian left will be hunted down and branded the traitors that they are

the populist right will turn all these mechanisms of state power against the left, many times over

I don't even want that, but there is nothing that will stop it now

the left has declared war against the right, a war which they have no chance of winning

 

[Contrarian]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the left has declared war against the right, a war which they have no chance of winning

 

or it can tilt the other way. What if economic hardship that will be upon soon will put in people the seed of communism? 

What if an old man more extreme than Bernie Sanders comes and populism takes a turn left? I won't be so sure the right has it. The catalyst for populism is present but the direction is yet unknown. 

Edited August 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

or it can tilt the other way. What if economic hardship that will be upon soon will put in people the seed of communism?

that will swing to the de facto right as it did in the Soviet Union

nobody killed more Socialists than Stalin did

 

[Dougie93]

bear in mind, I was raised to be a leftist

and one thing we understood

is that things must never come to a binary

the left can only win by consensus

if it comes down to force, the right has already won by default

and now that I am on the right

rest assured, there will be no mercy

we will crush you, with you own draconian laws

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Here are my main thoughts about the trucker convoy: 

1. - They have every right to protest.
- I suspect the government might have had classified information that the funding at the very top is coming from overseas. With tense relations that we have with China and Russia now, who knows where the money came from. 
- Protest turned into something else in my view. I agree with the decision to clear the streets, it was turning into a circus and an embarrassment, don't care if that is authoritarian or that I am not a "real" Canadian as some "nationalists" are probably going to accuse me of. 
- I don't agree with the decision of the government to just start freezing bank accounts, especially in such a fast time, this reminded me of the FISA courts story in the US . Without a bank account and digital payment you are basically in a prison. 

1. Unless it inconveniences you, or they outstay their welcome because the right to protest has a start and finish time assigned to it right? The whole point of a protest is to make some life unbearable right,   

2. That was already proven false most of that money came from Canadians with some American donors as well, now your just reaching. who cares where the money came from, the fact it had support here in Canada has to mean something. 

3. The government's handling of it all is what was embarrassing, both city, provincial, and federally. And some citizens of Ottawa exaggerate about everything... along with the media, and the federal ministers that outright lied to make it seem we needed the emergency act to disperse them.

[Dougie93]

if the left knew what was coming

they would kill us all now, while they had the chance

but knowing the left as I do

I know they won't do it

and that will be their undoing

no quarter, no mercy, for these Bolshevist traitors against our Crown

they have sown the wind, now they shall reap the whirlwind

the wrath of the right, is the terrible wrath of God himself

[Contrarian]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

1. Unless it inconveniences you, or they outstay their welcome because the right to protest has a start and finish time assigned to it right? The whole point of a protest is to make some life unbearable right,   

2. That was already proven false most of that money came from Canadians with some American donors as well, now your just reaching. who cares where the money came from, the fact it had support here in Canada has to mean something. 

3. The government's handling of it all is what was embarrassing, both city, provincial, and federally. And some citizens of Ottawa exaggerate about everything... along with the media, and the federal ministers that outright lied to make it seem we needed the emergency act to disperse them.

3. They overexagerate about everything?

So Ottawa should roll out the red carpet for the truckers now? and not only that they should keep the red carpet on so people can live there?  No limit on the protest? How long should people be allowed to live downtown Ottawa? 

Why not? People drinking in mobile hot tubs and harrassing federal workers, that should be ignored now because the right is protesting. 

As far as I am concerned they were no better than the fanatics from the left which damage historic statues. Oh wait they did that too, search it. It happened downtown Ottawa and I believe a statue was one of soldiers. Might have been Soros's agents undercover. 😎

Edited August 6, 2022 by Contrarian

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

As far as I am concerned they were no better than the fanatics from the left which damage historic statues.

the left can never win a war of fanaticism

fanaticism inherently favours the right

if it comes to a war of fanaticism in the end, the left will end up hung from the lampposts

the arc of history is clear

[Army Guy]

8 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

3. They overexagerate about everything?

So Ottawa should roll out the red carpet for the truckers now? and now only that they should keep the red carpet on so people can live there?  No limit on the protest? How long should people be allowed to live downtown Ottawa? 

Why not? People drinking in mobile hot tubs and harrassing federal workers, that should be ignored now because the right is protesting. 

As far as I am concerned they were no better than the fanatics from the left which damage historic statues. Oh wait they did that too, search it. It happened downtown Ottawa and I believe a statue was one of soldiers. Might have been Soros's agents undercover. 😎

Did you watch the media, some describe it as a war zone...complete hell, so ya over exaggerate, to mention the safety minister's outright lies, which he later backtracked. 

Well if you have a problem with the federal government where do you want them to go, do you think they would have gotten any attention if they went to some farmer's field in Saskatchewan?  Is there a time limit on protesting in our laws or constitution, or freedoms? 

So there are rules about protesting no hot tubs allowed, must be in the by-laws for Ottawa, or perhaps it was a massage we are here to stay. Harassing federal workers, that's not what everyone saw, I not saying it is not true, but there are many interviews of citizens of Ottawa having a pleasurable visit, with convoy people, I did not hear of any Conservative MPs getting harassed  

Are you talking about the women who stood on the tomb? while disrespectful, did they really damage it, i doubt it, the police did talk to her charged her, and it was dismissed I believe. The tomb has been shit on, pissed on, and slept on by many citizens of Ottawa...and all of that did not stay in the media as long as the women standing on it for a few seconds.  

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

3. They overexagerate about everything?

So Ottawa should roll out the red carpet for the truckers now? and not only that they should keep the red carpet on so people can live there?  No limit on the protest? How long should people be allowed to live downtown Ottawa? 

Why not? People drinking in mobile hot tubs and harrassing federal workers, that should be ignored now because the right is protesting. 

As far as I am concerned they were no better than the fanatics from the left which damage historic statues. Oh wait they did that too, search it. It happened downtown Ottawa and I believe a statue was one of soldiers. Might have been Soros's agents undercover. 😎

You were clearly raised on state-funded propaganda and didn’t see how tainted the coverage of the protests were in mainstream media.  There was no desecration of memorials by protesters, unless you consider putting a flag by Terry Fox or dancing by a memorial desecration.  The veterans guarded the memorial.  A court injunction stopped the honking.  The barricades were removed before the Emergencies Act was imposed.  We’re sick of having to repeat these facts over and over.  Oh and there was almost no coverage of the beating of peaceful protesters that was caught on camera.  The Indigenous older lady who was trampled by a horse was almost ignored.  Millions supported the protests.  Freezing the bank accounts was a total violation of constitutional rights, though there were many violations.  Trudeau didn’t meet any of the protesters and maintained the vaccine mandates.  He also called the protesters misogynists and racists and said, “Should we tolerate these people?”   Even Democrat commentators like Bill Maher and Beri Weiss were disgusted.

The convoy was a movement of international significance.  It provided an important counter to government overreach.  These protesters took personal risks to the extent of losing their business licenses or having their assets seized.

The Trudeau government acted cowardly and totalitarian.  I learned that our rights are not well protected and our government isn’t really accountable to the people.  In fact, it takes a lot of direction from unaccountable international bodies.

I’ve never seen such poor federal leadership.  

Edited August 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Here are my main thoughts about the trucker convoy: 

- They have every right to protest.
- I suspect the government might have had classified information that the funding at the very top is coming from overseas. With tense relations that we have with China and Russia now, who knows where the money came from. 
- Protest turned into something else in my view. I agree with the decision to clear the streets, it was turning into a circus and an embarrassment, don't care if that is authoritarian or that I am not a "real" Canadian as some "nationalists" are probably going to accuse me of. 
- I don't agree with the decision of the government to just start freezing bank accounts, especially in such a fast time, this reminded me of the FISA courts story in the US . Without a bank account and digital payment you are basically in a prison. 

Actually lots of people feel this way. My issue is the legality of Pixie-Dust's reaction...and his blatant cowardice.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m sorry to hear that.

Meh...

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Nevertheless, murdering the unvaccinated isn’t peachy.

Probably not but it's certainly how I feel when I'm left trying to process the fear I see in my wife's eyes, the concern I hear in her kid's voices and my own angry helplessness.

I have zero sympathy for anti-vaxxers. The number of people with legitimate medical reasons for not vaccinating is miniscule. Everyone else should have two options, get vaccinated or stay at home and isolate. If you people need to be compensated for that then fine...whatever it takes to keep society safe from you.  

It's obviously too late for COVID but the next time this happens it should never ever be forgotten that trying to accommodate and pander to stupidity and paranoia costs unnecessary and avoidable death and sickness for hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. They've made this entire shitty deal far shittier than it ever needed to be and what really rankles is that is was obvious from the beginning it would. And why? For no better or apparent reason than being dutiful on-message partisans for the most part. COVID's favourite transmission vector bar none.

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Meh...

Probably not but it's certainly how I feel when I'm left trying to process the fear I see in my wife's eyes, the concern I hear in her kid's voices and my own angry helplessness.

I have zero sympathy for anti-vaxxers. The number of people with legitimate medical reasons for not vaccinating is miniscule. Everyone else should have two options, get vaccinated or stay at home and isolate. If you people need to be compensated for that then fine...whatever it takes to keep society safe from you.  

It's obviously too late for COVID but the next time this happens it should never ever be forgotten that trying to accommodate and pander to stupidity and paranoia costs unnecessary and avoidable death and sickness for hundreds of thousands if not millions of people. They've made this entire shitty deal far shittier than it ever needed to be and what really rankles is that is was obvious from the beginning it would. And why? For no better or apparent reason than being dutiful on-message partisans for the most part. COVID's favourite transmission vector bar none.

First off, I’m triple vaccinated and I pushed hard to get the people who report to me access to vaccines as soon as possible, including providing them with letters.  I was upset at our government’s delays procuring the vaccine and wrote at length about the importance of having domestic vaccine manufacturing capacity.

 I also saw friends who resisted getting the vaccine panic over the possibility of job loss.  Their concerns were legitimate given the fast-tracked approval of vaccines, which was unprecedented.  Of course as the variants changed to the milder Omicron, it became clear that vaccination was largely only a mitigation.  Most people could fight that variant fairly easily, even the unvaccinated.  What’s more, vaccination didn’t make people less contagious, though it probably speeded their recovery.

My position today is that, like the flu shot, Covid vaccines are a protective measure that should be available to those who want them.  If you’re medically vulnerable, it’s a good idea to avail yourself of this mitigation.  That’s it though.  This vaccine isn’t like a smallpox vaccine that prevents one from getting it and spreading it.

 My whole family has had Covid and we all recovered quite quickly.  It was three days for me back in March.

The protests were about fighting government overreach, which has pushed people in unreasonable ways, making it hard for some to earn a living, hold certain political views (such as opposing mandates), and have the psychological well-being necessary to manage daily life.

The costs to businesses and taxpayers of our four lockdowns in Ontario haven’t been reconciled.  Our inflationary and economic woes will be with us for some time.  The gaps in student learning and social emotional development are huge.  The non-Covid health damages are enormous of all the restrictions and mandates.

For the first half of the pandemic, until vaccines became available to the vulnerable, I supported these Covid measures.  What we saw in 2022 in Canada, however, was a federal government acting arbitrarily and unscientifically to impose and maintain drastic measures against citizens, to the extent that protesting mandates could destroy your career, reputation, and finances.

Despite having the most dysfunctional airports in the world and massive passport and immigration processing backlogs, our government spitefully and ignorantly maintains mandates and processes like the ArriveCan app that discriminates against those who can’t afford cell phones or work technology.

Americans and Brits got access to vaccines faster than us and their governments didn’t shove them down people’s throats to the same degree that ours did.  Either we have constitutional rights or we don’t, whether you agree with how people choose to exercise them.  We have the right to protest, earn a livelihood, move and speak freely, etc.

We’ve heard too many justifications for too long about why these rights should be watered down or suspended because of a public health emergency.  We have to live with Covid and take what precautions we deem necessary based on our unique medical profiles.  We aren’t all the same and personal discretion has value.  If it doesn’t count anymore, then expect all manner of abuses from government.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

First off, I’m triple vaccinated and I pushed hard to get the people who report to me access to vaccines as soon as possible, including providing them with letters.  I was upset at our government’s delays procuring the vaccine and wrote at length about the importance of having domestic vaccine manufacturing capacity.

 I also saw friends who resisted getting the vaccine panic over the possibility of job loss.  Their concerns were legitimate given the fast-tracked approval of vaccines, which was unprecedented.  Of course as the variants changed to the milder Omicron, it became clear that vaccination was largely only a mitigation.  Most people could fight that variant fairly easily, even the unvaccinated.  What’s more, vaccination didn’t make people less contagious, though it probably speeded their recovery.

My position today is that, like the flu shot, Covid vaccines are a protective measure that should be available to those who want them.  If you’re medically vulnerable, it’s a good idea to avail yourself of this mitigation.  That’s it though.  This vaccine isn’t like a smallpox vaccine that prevents one from getting it and spreading it.

 My whole family has had Covid and we all recovered quite quickly.  It was three days for me back in March.

The protests were about fighting government overreach, which has pushed people in unreasonable ways, making it hard for some to earn a living, hold certain political views (such as opposing mandates), and have the psychological well-being necessary to manage daily life.

The costs to businesses and taxpayers of our four lockdowns in Ontario haven’t been reconciled.  Our inflationary and economic woes will be with us for some time.  The gaps in student learning and social emotional development are huge.  The non-Covid health damages are enormous of all the restrictions and mandates.

For the first half of the pandemic, until vaccines become available to the vulnerable, I supported these Covid measures.  What we saw in 2022 in Canada, however, was a federal government acting arbitrarily and unscientifically to impose and maintain drastic measures against citizens, to the extent that protesting mandates could destroy your career, reputation, and finances.

Despite having the most dysfunctional airports in the world and massive passport and immigration processing backlogs, our government spitefully and ignorantly maintains mandates and processes like the ArriveCan app that discriminates against those who can’t afford cell phones or work technology.

Americans and Brits got access to vaccines faster than us and their governments didn’t shove them down people’s throats to the same degree that ours did.  Either we have constitutional rights or we don’t, whether you agree with how people choose to exercise them.  We have the right to protest, earn a livelihood, move and speak freely, etc.

We’ve heard too many justifications for too long about why these rights should be watered down or suspended because of a public health emergency.  We have to live with Covid and take what precautions we deem necessary based on our unique medical profiles.  We aren’t all the same and personal discretion has value.  If it doesn’t count anymore, then expect all manner of abuses from government.

there's no point in trying to reason with the left

these people are utterly totalitarian

if you are not an adherent to their orthodoxy

never mind having no rights, they simply want to destroy you, because you are infidel

that being said, almost all the Gen Z males I encounter are already on the right

I don't have to convince them, they are telling me how Canada has become totalitarian

the younger males are being driven to the right by the lunacy of the Millennials

the future is right wing, the pendulum has already begun to swing back

I've made so many new friends, who are so young

I have these 21 year old men hanging out on my deck, talking about John Locke & Milton Friedman

I wouldn't encourage anyone to join the Woke Canadian Forces

none the less, all these men would make great soldiers

I admire them, it took me many years to figure out what they already know at 21

when I was their age, I was just drinking & partying & dating girls

while these lads are plotting how they are going to become millionaires

there is a right wing counterculture, and it is very young

Edited August 6, 2022 by Dougie93

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, Goddess said:

Riiiiiiggghhhht.

That's why 98% of your posts are just insults, devoid of information.

Oh, you say insult and I say calling them as I see them.

So, you don't like what I have to say but your insults and demeaning posts are OK??? Or are you just calling them as you see them?

[ExFlyer]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It not a marginal few though.

What I find interesting is those who care seem to be less "urbanized". Less apt to be swayed by the "in" thing. The truckers, the red-necks and now...the farmers.

Ya mean city dwellers care less than country folk??

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, West said:

Lol... so your going with the clip from Madcow is doctored? 

WTF is a mad cow besides a pissed off bovine?? LOL

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I sympathized with the truckers

but I believe that vaccine mandates are in fact constitutional

but when the government invoked martial law against a protest under false pretenses

then seized property without court order

that was treason

no quarter, no mercy, no succour for traitors against our Crown

 

Me too. I sympathized with the truckers.

If only the debacle in February were truckers, it would have been a purposeful event. Fact was, the truckers association detached themselves form what  went on. 95% of truckers 9as was state din the news) were working and did not participate.

No one seized any property. Vehicles were towed. they were given 24 hours warnings and many moved the vehicles, those that did not had them towed under existing laws and bylaws.

Banks froze some accounts by their own volition and doing so to prevent what they considered may be government actions, which did not occur. So, the banks restored the accounts.