myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, ironstone said: has the Conservatives at 39% and the Liberals at 31% It doesn't matter much it's the same outdated and entrenched system that is driving the country into the third world. The democracy in the country is suffocating. Trudeau has shown very clearly that it's not a match for the problems and challenges of this century. If the country will not find a way to update and renew it, the writing is on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The majority of Canadians oppose the Trudeau government but the party that got the most seats has the government, even though more people voted Conservative. The NDP are propping up the Liberal government. They refuse to acknowledge Trudeau’s complete mismanagement of our country. They think propping up this government gives them power they wouldn’t have by joining the opposition. That’s fine, but Canadians won’t forget the tyranny they’re supporting. It will really backfire. its how FPTP Works just cause you get most votes doesn't mean you win government dude. you need to win th seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: Lol so who are you saying to elect then? liberal democracy has broken down people will vote with their feet now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack9000 said: its how FPTP Works Now Trudeau likes the system forget what he said some years back. And march in the opposite direction. All together, now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, myata said: Now Trudeau likes the system forget what he said some years back. And march in the opposite direction. All together, now! the conservatives liked it under harper also when the NDP and libs split the vote enough for a 4 year majority in 2011.. it benefits both sides back and forth and will benefit the cons eventually again also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: It didn't sound like an anti-west blog cut-and-paste to you? I wonder why. doesn't get more pro-west than Dougie93 if you think otherwise, it's probably because you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: doesn't get more pro-west than Dougie93 if you think otherwise, it's probably because you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer Then he shouldn't advocate overthrowing parliamentary democracy, obviously. Nothing pro-west about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: Then he shouldn't advocate overthrowing parliamentary democracy, obviously. Nothing pro-west about that. he didn't do that you advocate for Chicom overlords running Canada on the other hand now that isn't very pro-west throwing stones from a glass house is a bad look you project your anti-west bias on others iron law of woke projection Edited February 21, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 But my point is what do the majority of Canadians think about using the powers of the Emergency Act against the truckers? We are being bombarded with totally different narratives. Canadians increasingly support Truckers, Freedom. Trudeau declares National Emergencies Act! | The Wentworth Report Two-thirds of Canadians support use of Emergencies Act against protesters: Poll - OrissaPOST The comparisons have been made between use of the War Measures Act by Trudeau senior and now the Emergency Act by junior. During the FLQ crisis there were bombs, kidnappings and actual murder. By comparison the trucker protest has been very peaceful although as I've said before they should not have shut down any roads or disrupted the downtown with the horns. This protest was clearly better described as civil disobedience and not terrorism as was the case with the FLQ. The truckers went too far with disruptions but the Trudeau reaction also went too far. It's the analogy of a bazooka to kill a mosquito. Just clear the blockages but there should be no heavy handed action like confiscation of property and bank assets. Doxxing people that have contributed to the truckers in good faith? The leftist media is doing that. Media targeting donors to Canada's protest leads to questions over free speech (nypost.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, BubberMiley said: Then he shouldn't advocate overthrowing parliamentary democracy, obviously. Nothing pro-west about that. Who is, in fact, overthrowing Parliamentary democracy? My only fear of the overthrow of our constitutional monarchy stems from current Liberal government policy and approaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jack9000 said: it benefits both sides back and forth and will benefit the cons eventually again also. Yes it benefits the entrenched political players but not the society, very clearly. It doesn't reflect nor understands, neither wants and has any interest in understanding its problems. It's very good where it is thank-you. And there's no simple ways to update it. We are in a serious trouble. I predict not much positive will happen in the country in the social dimension in the next two decades. If the reality proves me mistaken I'll readily admit it. Just don't see where it could come from. Edited February 21, 2022 by myata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, myata said: Yes it benefits political players but not the society, very clearly. And there's no simple ways to update it. We are in a serious trouble. I predict not much positive will happen in the country in the social dimension in the next two decades. If the reality proves me mistaken I'll readily admit it. Just don't see where it could come from. A Conservative government would be much better for the country right now. I used to be a Liberal. I’m looking at facts on the ground right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, Zeitgeist said: A Conservative government would be much better for the country right now. But nothing would change. How would it prevent PM of a different color from doing exact same thing. I'm not that optimistic. This is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, ironstone said: But my point is what do the majority of Canadians think about using the powers of the Emergency Act against the truckers? I live in a Liberal Party of Canada stronghold here I have gone door to door to talk to my neighbors they all say they same thing they all agree with me but they are afraid they don't want to lose their jobs, homes, kids, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: they all agree with me but they are afraid they don't want to lose their jobs, homes, kids, etc 1934 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, myata said: 1934 even my friend from Poland who is a devout Roman Catholic he says he has gone through all this before he doesn't have the strength to do it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Who would have imagined in 1934 the following decade? Who could think of emergency powers and police state in 2020? When there's no check and controls all bets are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 wow there's atleast one honest Conservative mp in the house who said even though he doesn't believe in the emergency act being used right now but it's in trudeaus power to use it and doesn't make him a dictator like people are trying to push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, myata said: Who would have imagined in 1934 the following decade? Who could think of emergency powers and police state in 2020? When there's no check and controls all bets are off. well I predicted something like this, right here on the forum but this is even worse than I thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, Dougie93 said: he doesn't have the strength to do it again I like to be proven wrong, would totally accept it if I see it but from what I can see now it's going to be a quite sad, dim and dull country in the next decades. And then, all bets are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 I understand they've started arresting people outside of the protected compound now. Anyone whom they can identify was associated with the protest in some way. Not sure how they know that, but it doesn't look good. Doesn't look good at all. Getting ready to see face-masked goons without name tags or other identification marks, Just "Security".... Move along, move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack9000 said: it's in trudeaus power to use it and doesn't make him a dictator Wait if a dictator decides to use any of their unlimited powers it would make them not a dictator? Suddenly (if MP to be believed) we have a world with no dictators in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, myata said: I like to be proven wrong, would totally accept it if I see it but from what I can see now it's going to be a quite sad, dim and dull country in the next decades. And then, all bets are off. this is the net effect of moral hazard Canada is in hock to the Chinese Communists in Beijing they are propping the Canadian ruling class up so the Chinese are running Canada from Beijing, by literal default Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I live in a Liberal Party of Canada stronghold here I have gone door to door to talk to my neighbors they all say they same thing they all agree with me but they are afraid they don't want to lose their jobs, homes, kids, etc I'm in a Liberal stronghold too. I do think people should be open to checking out more sources for their news. They might be surprised by what they find. My friends seem to be in the dark about what's going on in the world of politics and I think the reason for that is they only watch the local news channels, CTV seems to be the choice . None of my friends have ever written to their MP as far as I am aware. I'm guessing most Canadians are the same, just taking what the government of the day puts out for us. If all I watched was CBC, CTV or Global I wouldn't really learn anything. Tiktok and Dancing with the Stars is more important for most people these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack9000 Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, myata said: Wait if a dictator decides to use any of their unlimited powers it would make them not a dictator? Suddenly (if MP to be believed) we have a world with no dictators in it! no he means THE ACT is in the rules of a government therefore it is not a dictatorship silly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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