The push is on of the Omicron or Omnicon virus.

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Rubber/glue? Uh huh....it's a fact, just like I said.

You're welcome.

Lol.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

I did. I said the Saskatchewan dashboard. Here's the link. I didn't include it because I already had the quote from the cite copied and I can only paste one thing at a time.

https://dashboard.saskatchewan.ca/health-wellness

To find the quote, click "Learn More" under Hospitalizations.

I can always back up my claims with reputable sources. 

I just looked on the MB Health dashboard for you, 43x is a lie. There ya go.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Accountability Now said:

So the two points I'm getting from your study (and please feel free to correct or add more):

1.  A good percentage of breaktrough hospitalizations cases occur in elderly and those with pre-existing conditions -

When vaxxed people get sick the vax nazis suddenly take notice of factors like age and co-morbidities, but when it comes to vaxxing kids the nazis ignore everything and shriek "JUST VAX THEM!"

The sad fact is that the vax manufacturers really want the 5-30 year olds vaccinated because it pumps up their success numbers. 

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is this exactly who the vaccine is supposed to be protecting????? 

It's supposed to be protecting them, but it doesn't. 

If the only people who were vaxxed were the ones in the at-risk categories then the vaccines would be exposed as a total flop. 

More dbl vaxxed people died (981) during the brief period of time when there even were dbl-vaxxed than people under 50 (794) since the very beginning of the pandemic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257040/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-vaccination-status/ - 981 dbl-vaxxed dead 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/ - 794 people under 50 

 

What's worse is that the timeline for dbl-vaxxed is extremely short by comparison [there have only been a significant number of dbl vaxxed since June] and there were ZERO dbl-vaxxed people during the 2020-'21 flu season. 

The timeline for 0-50 goes right from Jan 2020 through to today, and has one full flu season in it and parts of two other flu seasons. 

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, Shady said:

It’s an opinion piece without any actual science.  For instance, it mentions the risk of myocarditis is extremely low, but fails to mention that the risk from covid is even lower.  Why is that?  It says most children experience no to mild systems from covid but also says many have been worse.  What’s many?  Is there a number or percentage?  And how many of those children had underlying health problems?  Because in those cases, must advocate for vaccination.  Why don’t they acknowledge that the flu has a higher mortality rate for children that covid does?  Because it’s a propaganda piece, in an effort to push broad based vaccination, when it’s not necessary or logical.

This is such a huge piece of the puzzle that's missing from all of the stats we get.

There were 11 kids in Canada under 12 that died of covid: did they all share a certain condition? Parents of those kids should be alerted. 

Were the kids who died shortly after vaxxing already extremely unhealthy? Eg cancer/CF patients... Were any of them healthy? That information is extremely important, but we just get some raw, nearly useless data.

I just hate that information that is extremely important is denied to us. 

[BubberMiley]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Right, but you posted a tweet 1 post earlier which was full of what looked like 'stats' but with no sources.

Can you find us the source that shows 43x as many unvaccinated people are in ICU somewhere, as was mentioned in the tweet that you cited? 

Ask right-wing former Sun columnist Tom Brodbeck, who made the tweet. He's a reputable journalist (despite his credentials) so I'm sure he'll tell you. But I understand he just gets his information from the Manitoba government.

[myata]

Please stop repeating the misleading "fully vaccinated" (according to the definition of the day) diversion to massage numbers to line them up in the desired way. We were told that a single dose provides significant protection according to trials. The level of protection depends not only on the number of doses but a number of other the factors social, group and individual ones. The only valid comparison is between non, never vaccinated and vaccinated (twice, thrice and so on, partially, mixed etc yada ...). The first one is only natural immunity. The second is group immunity that has been interfered with, and I mean nothing negative, at least until we have confident results.

And now, every single scientific study must include a reference group, or how would we know what to compare with? Now, why there's such a drive to eliminate it, the natural reference group entirely, and in some provinces we are succeeding in it? Is it only a coincidence or ...

Edited December 31, 2021 by myata

[Accountability Now]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

As for vaccine now it still sounds like the vast majority of people who suffer the worst effects are unvaccinated so...

Just like the cases, those numbers are changing here too...just like the UK. Ontario's current hospitalization has 66% fully vaxxed. You will start to see that number go higher there and across the country. 

I have no problem admitting that the vaccine works but only for so long. For the first two doses it was about 5-6 months. Now they are saying with the booster it lasts 10 weeks.  It might be tough convincing people to continue with this. 

[Accountability Now]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What's worse is that the timeline for dbl-vaxxed is extremely short by comparison [there have only been a significant number of dbl vaxxed since June] and there were ZERO dbl-vaxxed people during the 2020-'21 flu season. 

The timeline for 0-50 goes right from Jan 2020 through to today, and has one full flu season in it and parts of two other flu seasons. 

I have been arguing this for months now. I see all sorts of news reports talking about the number of unvaxxed deaths when most of those deaths happened before the vaccines were even out. Anyone who knows anything about science knows you need a control variable to properly assess something. You can't use this data when the vaccines weren't in play as there is no control variable. 

[Infidel Dog]

Then there's the news they won't tell you:

"

New data released today by the Robert Koch Institute, a research agency run by the German government, found that though 71% of the population is fully vaccinated nearly 96% of Omicron cases are among the fully vaccinated.

"Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the #Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated," Disclose TV reported."

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62769

Similar in Denmark:

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Then there's Australia:

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Accountability Now said:

I have been arguing this for months now. I see all sorts of news reports talking about the number of unvaxxed deaths when most of those deaths happened before the vaccines were even out. Anyone who knows anything about science knows you need a control variable to properly assess something. You can't use this data when the vaccines weren't in play as there is no control variable. 

The gov't of Ontario even published a bunch of doom & gloom stats for the unvaxxed but their data started on Dec 14th and only went to Aug 7th.

The time period covered an entire flu season for 14M unvaxxed Ontarians and just 2 months of basically 50/50 vaxxed/unvaxxed during the summer.

No one at all was dbl-vaxxed until about Feb 14th, but in terms of real numbers, there weren't a significant number of people dbl-vaxxed until late May. By the end of June it was 40% dbl vaxxed, end of July 60% dbl vaxxed, Aug 7th - end of study lol. 

You could give people sugar pills in June and July and I can guarantee you that they'd have a much lower number of negative outcomes than people did back in Dec 14-Feb 14. They might as well have compared the number of snowmobile accidents in that study. "We just determined that the dbl-vaxxed are much safer drivers ? !"

The study should have been called "Hey stupid, just do what we tell you to do." It's linked in a different thread here with a bunch of ALL CAPS INSULTS going back and forth. Riveting stuff. 

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Then there's Australia:

We used to use blondes as the butt of every stupid joke, then it was Dems, but it seems as though Australia is vying for the title.

 

Two Australians are walking down the road when one of them finds a make-up compact. She opens it, looks inside, and says "Crikey, I think I know this Sheila!"

The other one looks in and says "That's me ya galah!"

[WestCanMan]

39 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Then there's the news they won't tell you:

"Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the #Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated," Disclose TV reported."

The data is misleading because they do their testing with huge anal swabs there, like the ones that Gov. Cuomo uses for his nose. Not many unvaxxed fall for it. 

Just kidding ?

Edited December 31, 2021 by WestCanMan

[-TSS-]

It seems that the vaccine-passport is the stupidest experiment that has happened for a long time. With this omicron which spreads among the vaccinated as well places  where you can only enter with the vaccine-passport have become worst spots of infections.

I have a work-mate who is in his 50s he had no vaccination and he has smoked all his adult-life and he got the virus. He was back at work after seven days.

People like him are the ones whom vaccination-fanatics absolutely hate. Some people openly wish for the death of unvaccinated people. Such hatred is openly encouraged.

[myata]

Games with arbitrary definition of the quarantine rules clearly show that this has come way out of epidemics management into people management - and liked it too! Either it's a terribly dangerous "tsunami" aiii! oiiii!!! or it's OK to go back to workplace after arbitrarily defined short period like many of us two, three years back would stay home for a few days with a case of a cold. Can you please figure out which one and soon, because it's quickly moving from the domain of incredible to plain ridiculous?

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Can you please figure out which one and soon, because it's quickly moving from the domain of incredible to plain ridiculous?

Perhaps there is no more “figuring out”, friend. We have done enough of that already, and it is in fact what’s brought us to this point. The intellectual mind has brought us, in a short period of time to the precipice of our extinction. Vis, nuclear, chemical and now biological technologies. 

Maybe there is a natural tendency for things to limit themselves, when they grow too large for their sandbox.

We wondered why whales beach themselves, or why the purported lemmings go over a cliff. Now we know.  

...

Self-loathing latte sippers seek to tear down the very institutions that guard our freedom. Covid is to their advantage.

Society collapsing in upon itself. No one knows how to do things anymore, like maintenance for example.

That is how the soviet (socialist) union failed.

[Shady]

18 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Then there's Australia:

 

To quote Bubber, “turns out Australia had it right”. ?

[myata]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

No one knows how to do things anymore, like maintenance for example.

I can vouch to that. A 30 meter concrete barrier next street construction started late summer now frozen for the winter wonder what its costing us but no problem as nothing can be done anyways. Any bureaucracy, given to itself, its own thoughts and instruments always and inevitably comes to the same state: maximum consumption of resources for minimal output. We are now in the process of demonstrating yet another example that the laws of nature cannot be circumvented or avoided.

Edited January 1, 2022 by myata

[myata]

There's a new problem. The system has to deal with a new problem. The system has to adapt to deal with a new problem.

But... the system cannot adapt. It's been exactly two decades since the first SARS epidemics, and twenty reports have been written on preparation to the next pandemic (at the public expense and whose else) and there's exactly zero of an observable adaptation in the reality. So what can be done so save "crumbling system"?

But of course! If the system cannot be adapted, we will adapt you! For the next XYZ years you'll take boosters every so many months and the problem (of the system) is solved. That was easy, and what's the next problem?

[Shady]

It’s time to stand up for children.  Vaccinating, using vaccines approved on emergency use, forgoing the normal long term studies, for a virus that poses less risk than the vaccine, is child abuse.

 

Edited January 1, 2022 by Shady

[Shady]

Btw, when anyone complains about covid “rumors” remember this...

 

[Shady]

And this...

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, Shady said:

It’s time to stand up for children.  Vaccinating, using vaccines approved on emergency use, forgoing the normal long term studies, for a virus that poses less risk than the vaccine, is child abuse.

Absolute rubbish. The risks from COVID far outweigh risks of vaccine, vaccines are well understood and no kids are being abused. 

COVID is far more likely to trigger this condition in kids than the vaccine against it. In the extreme rare case where or if the vaccine does cause it;

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They may be hospitalized for monitoring and treated with ibuprofen, and usually walk out after a day.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-benefits-of-vaccinating-kids-against-covid-far-outweigh-the-risks-of-myocarditis1/

 

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Absolute rubbish. The risks from COVID far outweigh risks of vaccine, vaccines are well understood and no kids are being abused. 

COVID is far more likely to trigger this condition in kids than the vaccine against it. In the extreme rare case where or if the vaccine does cause it;

 

Yours is complete rubbish.  Hospitalization chances in children from covid is LESS than the risk of severe side effects from vaccines.  That’s documented data and science.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yours is complete rubbish.  Hospitalization chances in children from covid is LESS than the risk of severe side effects from vaccines.  That’s documented data and science.

Not according to what Scientific American is documenting. If you think you have a source that trumps that please include with it why you think it trumps it. So far all you've put up is panic-porn.