Moonlight Graham Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) I propose that before any Canadian citizen casts a vote during an election that they be required to recite an oath of allegiance to Canada and/or the Queen of Canada. In the USA kids recite a pledge of allegiance. We don't do such things in Canada (as far as I know). If you're born in Canada, you don't have to have any loyalty to the country besides following the laws. You can run off and fight for ISIS and return. You can be a dual citizen and have your true loyalty with another country, and vote with those loyalties in your heart. You can be a Quebecois nationalist born in Canada and want the destruction of Canada and never have to declare your loyalty to the country. How about we separate the snakes who are disloyal citizens of convenience from the loyal Canadians. We'd see how many oaths people refuse to take. Even this proposal itself would cause uproar from the traitors. Thoughts? Edited June 19, 2021 by Moonlight Graham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) voter suppression over 9000 mandatory swearing an oath before voting is dumb it doesn't weed out the disloyal they can just pledge the oath and not believe a word of it and vote however they please plenty of those who would be against mandatory oath swearing would be loyal to the country America does not require it's citizens to pledge allegiance to vote loyal Americans would consider that totalitarian bullshit, because it is you should be able to vote for the destruction of Canada, nothing wrong with that, and you shouldn't have to pledge allegiance to it before you do Vive le Quebec libre! Edited June 16, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: voter suppression over 9000 mandatory swearing an oath before voting is dumb it doesn't weed out the disloyal they can just pledge the oath and not believe a word of it and vote however they please plenty of those who would be against mandatory oath swearing would be loyal to the country America does not require it's citizens to pledge allegiance to vote loyal Americans would consider that totalitarian bullshit, because it is you should be able to vote for the destruction of Canada, nothing wrong with that, and you shouldn't have to pledge allegiance to it before you do Vive le Quebec libre! LOL. Spoken like a true snake. I'd love nothing more than to see you and all the other snakes show up and lie through their teeth like the cowards and traitors you are. Maybe you and Dougie are paid agents of Russia or China...or the Bloc Quebecois lol. God save the Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: LOL. Spoken like a true snake. I'd love nothing more than to see you and all the other snakes show up and lie through their teeth like the cowards and traitors you are. Maybe you and Dougie are paid agents of Russia or China...or the Bloc Quebecois lol. God save the Queen. the likes of you calling me a snake badge of honor your ridiculous anti-freedom compelled speech being tied to the right to vote that is openly supporting the Nazification of Canada Fuck Canada and the Nazi's who demand people swear allegiance to a Fake Nation The Crown would never demand citizens swear allegiance to Canada to vote or even serve in the military The Crown doesn't even demand citizens swear allegiance to The Crown to vote either The Crown does not support your totalitarian bullshit and never will The Crown supports my right to be as anti-Canada as I want to be, as it should be GSTQ Edited June 16, 2021 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: the likes of you calling me a snake badge of honor your ridiculous anti-freedom compelled speech being tied to the right to vote that is openly supporting the Nazification of Canada Fuck Canada and the Nazi's who demand people swear allegiance to a Fake Nation The Crown would never demand citizens swear allegiance to Canada to vote or even serve in the military The Crown doesn't even demand citizens swear allegiance to The Crown to vote either The Crown does not support your totalitarian bullshit and never will The Crown supports my right to be as anti-Canada as I want to be, as it should be GSTQ Swearing an oath to the Queen of Canada is perfectly acceptable. The Queen wants you to kiss her feet and be ever loyal to all the domains she reigns over. Bow down and pucker up. Why is it ok for MPs to be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada but not citizens when voting? Voting and running for office are both rights guaranteed in Section 3 of the Charter: Quote In Figueroa v Canada (AG) the court determined that Section 3 explicitly grants both the right to vote and the right to run for office to all Canadian citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_3_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms Quote Before taking their seats and voting in the House of Commons, duly-elected Members must take an oath or make a solemn affirmation of allegiance or loyalty to the Sovereign and sign the Test Roll (a book whose pages are headed by the text of the oath or affirmation). When Members swear or solemnly affirm allegiance to the Queen as Sovereign of Canada, they are also swearing or solemnly affirming allegiance to the institutions the Queen represents, including the concept of democracy. https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure-book-livre/document.aspx?amp%2525252525253bsbpidx=13&language=e&sbdid=2AE20CBE-E824-466B-B37C-8941BBC99C37&sbpid=457E8854-C70D-4A8A-B0E0-7AD72D703B65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Why is it ok for MPs to be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada but not citizens when voting? Voting and running for office are both rights guaranteed in Section 3 of the Charter: because the MP's are the Queen's representatives in the legislative branch the citizens are not representatives of The Crown, carrying out the duties of the state, on behalf of the head of state, they are subjects those who serve on behalf of The Crown, must swear allegiance to it those who do not serve on the behalf of The Crown, don't have to swear allegiance to it, if they don't want to, The Crown protects their right, noblesse oblige those who wish to serve The Crown, can do so of their own free will, those who do not wish to serve The Crown, are not forced to take on the responsibilities and duties of those who do Edited June 16, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 What would swearing and oath of loyalty mean? To vote a certain way? To conform to a state approved dogma? We have laws against treason and other crimes against the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuebecOverCanada Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 So all the Bloc Québécois voters would have to swear an oath too? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: How about we separate the snakes who are disloyal citizens of convenience from the loyal Canadians. We'd see how many oaths people refuse to take. Even this proposal itself would cause uproar from the traitors. Thoughts? Great idea. Once we've identified who the "traitors" are, then the purges can begin, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: We'd see how many oaths people refuse to take. Even this proposal itself would cause uproar from the traitors. The proper use of the term 'traitor' is for someone who is guilty of a treason, as defined by the law of the country in which they live - Canadian definition below. Refusing an oath is not treasonous, in Canada, though I suppose a law could make it so. A true traitor would not, in my opinion, have any objection to taking an oath, so as not to draw attention to themselves. I wouldn't have any particular objection to taking an oath before voting. I can picture it now: additional voting delays as people mumble quickly through some words in front of bored officials. Treason (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province; (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada; (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a); (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, dialamah said: The proper use of the term 'traitor' is for someone who is guilty of a treason, as defined by the law of the country in which they live - Canadian definition below. Refusing an oath is not treasonous, in Canada, though I suppose a law could make it so. A true traitor would not, in my opinion, have any objection to taking an oath, so as not to draw attention to themselves. I wouldn't have any particular objection to taking an oath before voting. I can picture it now: additional voting delays as people mumble quickly through some words in front of bored officials. Treason (2) Every one commits treason who, in Canada, (a) uses force or violence for the purpose of overthrowing the government of Canada or a province; (b) without lawful authority, communicates or makes available to an agent of a state other than Canada, military or scientific information or any sketch, plan, model, article, note or document of a military or scientific character that he knows or ought to know may be used by that state for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or defence of Canada; (c) conspires with any person to commit high treason or to do anything mentioned in paragraph (a); (d) forms an intention to do anything that is high treason or that is mentioned in paragraph (a) and manifests that intention by an overt act; or (e) conspires with any person to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) or forms an intention to do anything mentioned in paragraph (b) and manifests that intention by an overt act. How would Liberals transferring deadly viruses from the Winnipeg virology lab to the Wuhan virology lab be classified? Is China or the CCP considered an enemy alien power and if so would transferring military or scientific information to them be considered as treason? Who decides what is an enemy alien power? If the government does it, is it still treason? Do these laws on treason even apply to the government? How much information has been transferred over the years? How about arranging to hold joint military exercises with the PLA? How do all these things fit in national security of Canada and our allies in the Five Eyes. What about the fact Huawei has supplied telecommunications equipment to much of Canada's telecommunications system? Where is the line being drawn and who draws it between China and Canada? Could acts by government or other entities be considered as acts hostile to Canada but not specifically fall under the definition of treason? Would a court have to declare something an act of treason before it could be considered as treason? If so then claims of treason may be just unfounded allegations and in our system a person is innocent until found guilty in a court of law. Edited June 16, 2021 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Aristides said: What would swearing and oath of loyalty mean? To vote a certain way? To conform to a state approved dogma? We have laws against treason and other crimes against the state. State approved dogma, like the constitution and the charter? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: I propose that before any Canadian citizen casts a vote during an election that they be required to recite an oath of allegiance to Canada and/or the Queen of Canada. In the USA kids recite a pledge of allegiance. We don't do such things in Canada (as far as I know). 1. If you're born in Canada, you don't have to have any loyalty to the country besides following the laws. You can run off and fight for ISIS and return. 2. You can be a dual citizen and have your true loyalty with another country, and vote with those loyalties in your heart. 3 You can be a Quebecois nationalist born in Canada and want the destruction of Canada and never have to declare your loyalty to the country. How about we separate the snakes who are disloyal citizens of convenience from the loyal Canadians. We'd see how many oaths people refuse to take. Even this proposal itself would cause uproar from the traitors. Thoughts? 1. Saying words is not the same as 'being loyal'. 2. Why the assumption that having dual citizenship means that loyalty to one must be questionable? Its kind of like having kids: having two doesn't (usually) mean one gets more love and care at the expense of the other. The only time having dual loyalties would matter is if there were direct conflict between the two countries; at that point, the individual will indeed have to decide their ultimate loyalty. This idea that an immigrant can't be loyal to their new country is why the Japanese were interred during the second world war. People should be judged on their own actions, not convicted on the assumptions of others. 3. Pretty sure a Quebecois nationalist born in Canada who wants the destruction of Canada would not be deterred in their goal, even if they were forced to repeat an oath every four years, or so. Words do not loyalty make and only in the actions of people can their loyalty be determined. Some Conservatives on this board toss out accusations that liberals/progressives want to (already have) destroyed Canada. Calling people traitors and disloyal to Canada merely because they have a different political viewpoint seems to me part of the problem of polarization. Pretty sure that even if all liberal/progressives were video'd taking this oath, those conservatives willing to believe that a different political ideology is traitorous would not be convinced. Or, to be much more succinct, I don't think taking an oath guarantees loyalty, or would prove anything to people who are determined that certain groups are, by definition, disloyal or traitorous. Edited June 16, 2021 by dialamah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 I don't bother to vote anymore, I'm perfectly happy to forgo voting in Canada, let it burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, blackbird said: How would Liberals transferring deadly viruses from the Winnipeg virology lab to the Wuhan virology lab be classified? Is China or the CCP considered an enemy alien power and if so would transferring military or scientific information to them be considered as treason? Who decides what is an enemy alien power? If the government does it, is it still treason? Do these laws on treason even apply to the government? How much information has been transferred over the years? How about arranging to hold joint military exercises with the PLA? How do all these things fit in national security of Canada and our allies in the Five Eyes. What about the fact Huawei has supplied telecommunications equipment to much of Canada's telecommunications system? Where is the line being drawn and who draws it between China and Canada? Could acts by government or other entities be considered as acts hostile to Canada but not specifically fall under the definition of treason? Would a court have to declare something an act of treason before it could be considered as treason? If so then claims of treason may be just unfounded allegations and in our system a person is innocent until found guilty in a court of law. Should it be considered treasonous if a Christian (or a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu or a Sikh) declared that their first loyalty lies to their deity, not their country? Shouldn't Canada be their first loyalty? Should every religious person have to prove their loyalty to Canada before being allowed to freely practice their religion? Edited June 16, 2021 by dialamah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, dialamah said: Should it be considered treasonous if a Christian (or a Muslim or a Jew or a Hindu or a Sikh) declared that their first loyalty lies to their deity, not the government? Shouldn't Canada be their first loyalty? Should every religious person have to prove their loyalty to Canada before being allowed to freely practice their religion? You just proved your ongoing hate for Christianity or Christians once again. Christians are taught in the Bible to be loyal to the government. Of course this does not mean Christians are bound to agree, support or follow any government or law which is acting in an evil way or contrary to God's written word. For example, Christians would not be bound to support Hitler and the Nazis. Neither would they be bound to support a Communist government, but in order to survive in a Communist country, they may be required to obey the laws as much as possible. As for Canada, Christians do follow the laws and are loyal to Canada and the Queen as head of state. They just do not agree with evil things that governments sometimes do or their evil policies. Everyone has the right to follow their conscience in regards to questions of morality. You cannot force anyone to accept your evil belief system. In the Roman Empire in the early centuries up to 312 A.D. when Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity, it was illegal to worship the Christian God, but not the false heathen gods in the Empire. Christians who were found were thrown to the lions. But since Constantine allegedly was converted and legalized Christianity in 312 A.D., freedom of religion with respect to Christianity has been legal in a certain sense. That freedom was limited by the fact the state in collusion with the Papacy in Rome determined what brand of Christianity was legal. It is only since the Reformation 500 years ago that certain countries broke free from Rome and allowed their citizens to worship whatever religion they chose. Perhaps you think Christianity should be again outlawed and only allow heathen religions to exist. Edited June 16, 2021 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 there's no need to try to vote Canada down Canada is destroying itself, erasing itself, so no need to get involved, just ignore Canada and move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Maybe you and Dougie are paid agents of Russia or China...or the Bloc Quebecois lol. I'm an agent of Canada's worst enemy of all e pluribus unum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Shady said: State approved dogma, like the constitution and the charter? ? My question stands. The Constitution and Charter exist to guarantee rights and freedoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: the likes of you calling me a snake badge of honor indeed, I'll wear that barb proudly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: So all the Bloc Québécois voters would have to swear an oath too? vive le Quebec libre the Fenians are with you, since 1866 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: voter suppression over 9000 can't kill an idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, blackbird said: You just proved your ongoing hate for Christianity or Christians once again. godless Canadian tyrants upon your neck ? join us, brother Declaration of Independence in the name of your Creator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 hurl down the ignominious icons of the tyrannical British Crown, Canada whoa, that was quick, well done, Canadians, way to respond to commands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted June 16, 2021 Report Share Posted June 16, 2021 Quote Fast forward to March 2021. The National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians released a report that found China and Russia engaging in “significant and sustained” foreign interference activities that “predominantly threaten the fundamental building blocks of Canada’s democracy.” Earlier this month, it was revealed that in 2019, two Chinese military scientists were fired from Canada’s only Level 4 virology lab, spawning an RCMP investigation. Meanwhile, two of our citizens, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, remain jailed in China on trumped-up charges." Tasha Kheiriddin: The world's love affair with Justin Trudeau ends on a sour note (msn.com) What were two Chinese military scientists doing working in Canada's level 4 virology lab in Winnipeg in the first place? Who let them in and why? Canadians deserve answers. As a professed democratic country, transparency should be the first priority on this issue. What are our federal politicians doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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