Should we all be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada before voting?

[Dougie93]

the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms, plus the exact fare, gets you a ride on the public transit

 

[Army Guy]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yet they don't violate the Charter, that is why no challenges have stood up. What people think their rights are and what the Charter actually says they are can differ substantially.

Maybe it is time to actually read the charter of rights, under sub heading mobility rights, it clearly spelled out in the first lines.

Check our history, see FLQ crises, and tell me NO charter rights were broken, They can be suspended or revoked by the Government as they see fit...

1. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

The rights and freedoms in the Charter are not absolute. They can be limited to protect other rights or important national values. For example, freedom of expression may be limited by laws against hate propaganda or child pornography.

Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Canada.ca

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Check our history, see FLQ crises, and tell me NO charter rights were broken

you obviously don't know your own history

because the Charter of Rights & Freedoms did not exist in 1970 during the FLQ crisis

the Charter of Rights of Freedoms were only enshrined in the Canada Act of 1982

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Maybe it is time to actually read the charter of rights, under sub heading mobility rights, it clearly spelled out in the first lines.

Check our history, see FLQ crises, and tell me NO charter rights were broken, They can be suspended or revoked by the Government as they see fit...

1. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

The rights and freedoms in the Charter are not absolute. They can be limited to protect other rights or important national values. For example, freedom of expression may be limited by laws against hate propaganda or child pornography.

Guide to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms - Canada.ca

You highlighted it yourself "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law" the Charter says so itself.

There was no Charter or Constitution at the time of the FLQ crisis.

 

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Which was a white anglo saxon identity. That ship has sailed. 

It was the western culture identity. And it better not have sailed because nothing else is remotely as enlightened or tolerant. 

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

It was the western culture identity. And it better not have sailed because nothing else is remotely as enlightened or tolerant. 

There have been a lot of shitty examples of western culture identity that weren't enlightened at all.

[Dougie93]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There have been a lot of shitty examples of western culture identity that weren't enlightened at all.

Western is a Ancient Greek paradigm, otherwise known as the Occident

the Enlightenment didn't come until the 18th century

[Dougie93]

the origin of Canada is 1 July perhaps

but that would be 1 July 1690

William of Orange is the founder of the state which evolved into Canada

the Enlightenment come to the Britons in his wake, against the scourge of Roman Catholic Autocracy in Versailles

 

[Dougie93]

now that the Enlightenment itself is imperilled by the scourge of Communism however

the Orange & Green must come together

against the Communist stooges in Ottawa posing as your philosopher kings

Orangemen & Fenians together, against the godless hordes of the Post National State

Deo Vindice

 

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

Louis Riel, William Lyon MacKenzie, D'arcy McGee

come all ye patriots against the tyrants of Canada

hang the real traitors from lampposts

 

[Aristides]

53 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Western is a Ancient Greek paradigm, otherwise known as the Occident

the Enlightenment didn't come until the 18th century

I was referring to things like slavery, colonialism, religious persecution, over a 1000 years of continuous European warfare, much of it rooted in religion, the two most destructive wars in human history, Nazism, Soviet Communism. There is a long list that is neither enlightened or tolerant.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Aristides

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I was referring to things

whoop dee doo

all that matters is what you would kill & die for

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

whoop dee doo

all that matters is what you would kill & die for

My first reply wasn't to you anyway so as you say, whoop dee doo.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

My first reply wasn't to you anyway so as you say, whoop dee doo.

nobody asked you to reply, I'm just talking past you anyways

 

[Moonlight Graham]

16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

those who wish to serve The Crown, can do so of their own free will, those who do not wish to serve The Crown, are not forced to take on the responsibilities and duties of those who do

So when a new citizen makes an oath of allegiance to the crown they're serving the Crown?  I don't think so.  They're joining the nation as citizens under our leader the Queen, who is the physical embodiment of the state, as head of state.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

nobody asked you to reply, I'm just talking past you anyways

 

Oh, I didn't realize you quoted people and didn't expect them to reply.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Oh, I didn't realize you quoted people and didn't expect them to reply.

it's an internet forum, I post for my followers

you post for your followers, I'll post for mine, it makes no difference to me if your respond or not

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, cougar said:

What exactly is this going to accomplish, other than put Canada another step closer to a totalitarian state?

If you are asked to raise your hand to Hitler, the Queen or any other leader just so you have your basic rights recognised, what kind of message does this send??

We ask new citizens to do this every day.  You do realize we live in a constitutional monarchy right?  I'm not saying our system is the ideal, but let's face the facts of what it is at least.  A monarchy is a monarchy.  Hail to the king, baby.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Louis Riel, William Lyon MacKenzie, D'arcy McGee

come all ye patriots against the tyrants of Canada

hang the real traitors from lampposts

 

What do you do Dougie?  What do I do?  You say the Canadian project is doomed and should be burned?

My grandfathers fought in WWII to defend our nation, our Crown, and our allies.   I'm all in man.  I'm a Canadian, many generations back.  What am I to do to defend my country?  I'm not British or American like you are.  This is my home and my nation, I have nothing else.  What do I do, except fight for it to survive?  I'm a patriot.  I go down with the ship, I have no other choice...

[Aristides]

42 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's an internet forum, I post for my followers

you post for your followers, I'll post for mine, it makes no difference to me if your respond or not

That's not the impression I got but whatever. I'm not one of your followers.

If you quote me, I will probably respond.

Edited June 17, 2021 by Aristides

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

You highlighted it yourself "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law" the Charter says so itself.

There was no Charter or Constitution at the time of the FLQ crisis.

 

You should think about this for a second, how is law made, can the government make the law, or pass a bill to make it law, yes or no... could they restrict movement during a crises. yes they can and yes they did. 

Do you think we had no rights before 1982 ?  Pierre Trudeau did many things, but he did not give Canada its own constitution – his government merely build upon a constitution that, contrary to popular belief, had already been well-established. The Trudeau government did “give us the Charter” – but Trudeau did not suddenly confer rights upon previously subjugated Canadians. The Charter merely codified most of the rights that Canadians had already long enjoyed.

Defining Canada’s Constitution: Canada Did Have One Before Trudeau and 1982! | James Bowden's Blog (parliamentum.org)

A novel part of the document was the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This set down 34 rights to be observed across Canada, ranging from freedom of religion to linguistic and educational rights based on the test of numbers. Many of the rights could be overridden by a “notwithstanding clause,” which allowed both the federal Parliament and the provincial legislatures to set aside guarantees in the Charter.

Designed to preserve parliamentary supremacy, a basic political principle in Canada, “notwithstanding clauses” would have to be renewed every five years to remain in force. Thus the Charter of Rights was not fully entrenched in the Canadian constitution as the Bill of Rights was in that of the United States.

Canada Act | Canada-United Kingdom [1982] | Britannica

[cougar]

34 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Hail to the king, baby.

Hail Hitler baby

Hail Putin baby

Hail whoever baby

You think those who are asked to give an oath after flying over thousands of kilometers and paying fees to this government to achieve whatever goals they might have,  will be stopped right there in their tracks, as they will refuse to give an oath?

Which planet are you from?

[Army Guy]

26 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What do you do Dougie?  What do I do?  You say the Canadian project is doomed and should be burned?

My grandfathers fought in WWII to defend our nation, our Crown, and our allies.   I'm all in man.  I'm a Canadian, many generations back.  What am I to do to defend my country?  I'm not British or American like you are.  This is my home and my nation, I have nothing else.  What do I do, except fight for it to survive?  I'm a patriot.  I go down with the ship, I have no other choice...

I'm the 5 th generation to serve in the military, my son is carrying on that tradition. but before you declare yourself a patriot and willing to defend your country . You should know most Canadians do not or could not give a shit, what you sacrifice in the name of the country, shit we can not even treat our current veterans with the care they need, because they are asking for more than Justin can give right now... you should think twice before going down with a ship filled with ungrateful people and government who may or may not be worth the sacrifice... Don't get me wrong i would give my life up in a flash if my comrades in arms asked for it for them i would serve once more, ... but i would not serve this nation again. I'm not the only one that feels this way many Afghanistan vets feel this way, I'm not the only one, that feels like they were betrayed ...

one more point the last veterans that have any benefits to veterans rights are those that served in Korea, once those men and women die off all vet hospitals and care facilities will cease providing for other serving or retired military/ RCMP personal , along with all the care and benefits they receive.. Technically today we are not called veterans, according to the government and the legion. we are retired members of the military and not subjected to the same treatment. 

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

It was the western culture identity. And it better not have sailed because nothing else is remotely as enlightened or tolerant. 

I'm afraid that we are entering the age of woke, and it is not enlighten either nor is it tolerant if your not following their will or testament. 

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

I was referring to things like slavery, colonialism, religious persecution, over a 1000 years of continuous European warfare, much of it rooted in religion, the two most destructive wars in human history, Nazism, Soviet Communism. There is a long list that is neither enlightened or tolerant.

And you isolate that because you know almost nothing about history in the rest of the world. Look into the Muslim conquests of India sometime if you want your hair curled. The stories make Hitler's Nazis look like gentlemen.