Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: What do you do Dougie? What do I do? You say the Canadian project is doomed and should be burned? My grandfathers fought in WWII to defend our nation, our Crown, and our allies. I'm all in man. I'm a Canadian, many generations back. What am I to do to defend my country? I'm not British or American like you are. This is my home and my nation, I have nothing else. What do I do, except fight for it to survive? I'm a patriot. I go down with the ship, I have no other choice... what I do foremost is strive to understand the central narrative of my history, the story of my people so British is not a race, British is not a place, British is a system of governance Canada is not the origin, this system of governance was founded in 1688 in the Glorious Revolution in the wake of the English Civil War, the Dutch Regent William of Orange became of the King of England not by force, he used a printing press, offered his services, and was hired in effect, by the English this is the founding of the first modern liberal state, this is how Britain became the British Empire when Major George Washington attacked the French at Jumonville Glenn in 1754, he incited a world war the British won this world war, in North America & India on 10 Febuary 1763 the French signed Canada over to the British Crown, the House of Hanover if you were born in Canada, this is the story of your people if you are American, this is the story of your people we are all the same people, the British North Americans you are British, you are American, and your country was simply not founded on 1 July 1867, that's a myth before you go down with a ship, make sure you know which is your ship is it really this Post National State fashioned by the Liberal Party of Canada elites since 1982 ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Aristides said: I was referring to things like slavery, colonialism, religious persecution, over a 1000 years of continuous European warfare, much of it rooted in religion, the two most destructive wars in human history, Nazism, Soviet Communism. There is a long list that is neither enlightened or tolerant. All of those things still exist in the Muslim world. Btw, Muslims were on the Nazi side in WWII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) are we to consult our ancestors who fought for Canada in the wars ? very well then my great grandfather fought with the 72nd Seaforth Highlanders of Canada in the Great War he came from Ulster to British Columbia, and he shipped out from Vancouver in 1915 he fought in every battle from Second Ypres to Mons on the last day of the war he fought at the Somme, he fought at Passchendaele he fought to the top of Vimy Ridge with the Canadian Corps I have his personal diary, I know what he thought, I know how he thought I assure you, he would say that this "Canada" now has fallen to the Bolsheviks he would absolutely despise what Canada has become if my great grandfather would not defend this state of affairs, I don't see any reason for me to do so scorched earth, is what my great grandfather would say whatever the Bolsheviks seize should be razed to the ground because whatever these Bolsheviks have seized, that's simply not Canada anymore just because they wave a Maple Leaf in your face, does not make them your people it's a fake country, this Liberal Party of Canada Potemkin Village, Quislings for the Red Chinese Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: I'm the 5 th generation to serve in the military, my son is carrying on that tradition. but before you declare yourself a patriot and willing to defend your country . You should know most Canadians do not or could not give a shit, what you sacrifice in the name of the country, shit we can not even treat our current veterans with the care they need, because they are asking for more than Justin can give right now... you should think twice before going down with a ship filled with ungrateful people and government who may or may not be worth the sacrifice... Don't get me wrong i would give my life up in a flash if my comrades in arms asked for it for them i would serve once more, ... but i would not serve this nation again. I'm not the only one that feels this way many Afghanistan vets feel this way, I'm not the only one, that feels like they were betrayed ... one more point the last veterans that have any benefits to veterans rights are those that served in Korea, once those men and women die off all vet hospitals and care facilities will cease providing for other serving or retired military/ RCMP personal , along with all the care and benefits they receive.. Technically today we are not called veterans, according to the government and the legion. we are retired members of the military and not subjected to the same treatment. I appreciate the post. I'm not a patriot because I do it for other Canadians, or this or any government, and I don't serve and defend it loyally for them, or anyone else. I do it for my family, to honour their sacrifices, which have ripped my family into pieces over the many decades. Otherwise everything they sacrificed was for nothing. So as I said, i'm all in. My grandfather was the toughest SOB I ever met in my life, and an upstanding person. Honourable, and honest, and decent. He wouldn't talk about the war, but I can only imagine what he went through. I don't have the capacity to serve, I'm not as tough as him. That job is for better men and women like you and others. So I find other ways to defend my country. Like on message boards lol. But if we were invaded by Russia or China or whatever foreign army you can bet I'd grab a gun and kill every last one of the bastards I could that stepped foot on this soil and would keep fighting if I were the last man left. They wouldn't take me alive. But today's enemies aren't on the battlefield. It's the snakes in the grass you don't see, and I'm out to expose them wherever I can. Like those snakes working in the virus lab in Winnipeg. Or the snakes in Parliament trading money for political favours. Anyone who attempts to undermine this country is my enemy. Anyways, thanks again for your service. The government may be filled with pieces of garbage that treat you and others like crap but I honour your service and sacrifices, and I'm not alone. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: if you are American, this is the story of your people we are all the same people, the British North Americans you are British, you are American, and your country was simply not founded on 1 July 1867, that's a myth before you go down with a ship, make sure you know which is your ship is it really this Post National State fashioned by the Liberal Party of Canada elites since 1982 ? The Americans rejected the Crown, they rebelled, and I respect them for that. But I don't feel American, and they don't feel British. Canada didn't have an "independence day" like the US, we have slowly become more independent from British control over centuries, it was a slow process, an evolution not defined by any single date. By nature Canadians are more docile and submissive and agreeable and patient, we lay on our backs and take it up the rump, we don't mind being controlled more than the Americans do, for whatever reason. The French living in Quebec never wanted to be part of the Crown, to be British. They reject it to this day, they're French. I respect them for that. So the Libs et al took away the red ensign from our flag and made us all Canadian citizens rather than British subjects, whether french, english, brits, germans, italians, and whoever. And that's fine, that's how you make a country where everyone feels they belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 well, getting back to the OP why demanding an oath to the monarch to vote, is against the narrative of my people back to 1688 in the Glorious Revolution, the Jacobites demanded that the Protestants swear fealty to the Papist King the Protestants who refused, were shot as traitors these Protestants however went on to win the war and when they did, the wrote the Bill of Rights in that common law, is the right to not swear fealty to the King if it is against your conscience that is the story of my people, and many of them died branded traitors by the Crown, to win these rights for me so I will not swear fealty to a Canada which no longer defends nor upholds my principles that being the highest principle of them all, for we the Scots German Protestants of Orange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The Americans rejected the Crown, they rebelled, and I respect them for that. But I don't feel American, and they don't feel British. Americans simply rejected the will of the British Parliament the Crown was trying to prevent them from going West, which was Ohio at the time but the American system of governance is British the Bill of Rights didn't come from Kentucky, it came over on the boat from Scotland the first Americans to rebel against the Crown, were Scots, the Regulators of South Carolina, in 1771 we're talking about the arc of the Enlightenment itself, with the British has the torch bearers for the world Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 the first African slave to be officially freed by the Enlightenment, was in Scotland a wealthy British merchant brought his African slave to Scotland when left unattended, the African gentleman went to the police station, said this man is holding me prisoner the Scots police said, okay, stay here, we'll look into it and sure enough, when it got to court, the Scots judge said this man cannot hold you prisoner, you are free to go this all came over on the boat, everything starts in Scotland, it's the Scottish Enlightenment actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 34 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: By nature Canadians are more docile and submissive and agreeable and patient, we lay on our backs and take it up the rump, we don't mind being controlled more than the Americans do, for whatever reason. America is the reason what happened in 1867 ? that was a panicked reaction to a perceived American invasion the Fenians annihilated the Queen's Own Rifles at Ridgeway, they were poised to march on York the Americans were too war weary to invade, having just fought the Civil War, but Canada didn't know that Canada was looking at a million man American army, and the British were refusing to defend Canada from it so it's not that Canadians are docile per se it is simply deeply ingrained in the Canadian culture, the fear & loathing of America as a mortal peril so Canadians are indoctrinated to rally around the Confederation in the face of America but Confederation is not some metaphysical thing, it's just an agreement, a legal construct Canada has no soul, it's just a massive overreaction to America born in the fires of 1812 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) you'll just end up banging your head against this wall forever Canada is not a metaphysical thing Canada is not Jesus on the Cross Canada is not the Declaration of Independence Canada is just a legal construct of the British Empire it's just an agreement, like NATO is an agreement the provinces are not even chained to it, they can opt out if they get the votes the sole purpose of Canada is to appease Quebec keep American freedoms out and steal resources from the Indians Canada has no soul, Canada has no higher purpose, Canada is not a noble cause Canada is not even a good idea, Canada is a bad idea in fact it is corrupt & inherently corrupting, right down in the DNA this is why it is falling so easily to these Communists Canada has no narrative which can stand in the face of this postmodern Information age revolution Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) I'm a decorated Canadian veteran Orangeman of Upper Canada, served with Royal Canadian Regiment my family came to Canada in 1757 when it was still a battlefield being contested with the French there was none more Loyalist than me, I was prepared to kill & die for the Confederation yet according to the Canadian government now, I am a "White Supremacist Insurrectionist" that is Canada declaring its own soldiers of the Crown to be enemies of the state I didn't declare revolutionary war against Canada, Canada declared revolutionary war against me Canada is a traitor to its own cause, Canada is the treasonous cabal selling its own people down the river Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: So the Libs et al took away the red ensign from our flag and made us all Canadian citizens rather than British subjects, whether french, english, brits, germans, italians, and whoever. And that's fine, that's how you make a country where everyone feels they belong. well, you're seeing the results now of trying to fabricate that fake country the Liberals erased the history, and raised multiple generations without a history now you've got a Potemkin Village, and it fell to the Woke literally overnight the kids don't believe in the bullshit Liberal Party of Canada village, because it's all bullshit so they are tearing it down in favour of American culture which they adopted on the internet you can't fabricate a fake thing and then expect it will survive the coming of a storm the immigrants are not adopting this fake culture, neither are the young people, nor are the French this fool's errand of trying to force everybody to get along will be the doom of Canada the everybody getting along Canada is a lie, trying to live a lie always backfires Canada is basically having a nervous breakdown incited by pathological lying Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 so again, just to sidestep the bot and get back to your OP, Graham forcing people to swear fealty to things they don't believe in, is Canada's problem, not the solution Canada tried pushing Multiculturalism, that backfired now Canada has adopted the Woke in desperation, that's backfiring even more spectacualarly the government spends all its time censoring people for speaking the truth of things this Post National Canada project of the Liberals, it's just not working the shotgun marriage of Canada is coming apart at the seams, because the masses don't believe in it and the reason is, Canada has high self esteem, low acheivement the Confederation doesn't deliver, the Confederation is a millstone around peoples necks the only people it serves, is a tiny cabal of cosmopolitan elites in downtown Toronto, Montreal & Ottawa the rest of the country is breaking down at the practical level, can't get anything done at all anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well, you're seeing the results now of trying to fabricate that fake country the Liberals erased the history, and raised multiple generations without a history now you've got a Potemkin Village, and it fell to the Woke literally overnight the kids don't believe in the bullshit Liberal Party of Canada village, because it's all bullshit so they are tearing it down in favour of American culture which they adopted on the internet you can't fabricate a fake thing and then expect it will survive the coming of a storm the immigrants are not adopting this fake culture, neither are the young people, nor are the French this fool's errand of trying to force everybody to get along will be the doom of Canada the everybody getting along Canada is a lie, trying to live a lie always backfires Canada is basically having a nervous breakdown incited by pathological lying Luckily you can all self medicate with legal pot. It's not all downsides with liberal dystopias. High standards of living and top scores in happiness indexes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Luckily you can all self medicate with legal pot. It's not all downsides with liberal dystopias. High standards of living and top scores in happiness indexes. but I know that has nothing to do with Canadian Confederation I am fully aware that my wealth comes from the United States even legal pot came from the United States, Canada only did it because the Americans did it first also, I am extremely lucky, I am privileged by my wealthy American grandfather I am the exception not the rule, young Canadians may dream of having what I have, but Canada is not going to deliver for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: but I know that has nothing to do with Canadian Confederation I am fully aware that my wealth comes from the United States even legal pot came from the United States, Canada only did it because the Americans did it first also, I am extremely lucky, I am privileged by my wealthy American grandfather I am the exception not the rule, young Canadians may dream of having what I have, but Canada is not going to deliver for them Is Canada not the wealthy nation I've been led to believe then? Higher GDP per head of the population than many other wealthy nations such as the UK for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Is Canada not the wealthy nation I've been led to believe then? that's right, because Canada is simply the Confederation so Canada actually has no wealth at all, all the wealth is in the provinces the provinces which don't trade with each other, they only trade with the Americans so you have provinces made rich by America, living under the yoke of a fake country in Ottawa calling itself "Canada" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) again, you have to stop viewing Canada as being some metaphysical thing, like Shangri-La Canada is just a trade agreement, like the European Union nobody actually loves the European Union, and the European Union itself doesn't actually own any wealth Germany is wealthy perhaps, but that doesn't mean Greece is wealthy it's the same in Canada, Ontario can borrow much more than Newfoundland so Ontario is flush and Newfoundland is broke Canada is not a monolith, it's a collection of very desperate jurisdictions Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: that's right, because Canada is simply the Confederation so Canada actually has no wealth at all, all the wealth is in the provinces the provinces which don't trade with each other, they only trade with the Americans so you have provinces made rich by America, living under the yoke of a fake country in Ottawa calling itself "Canada" indeed and all the provinces would be richer if they didn't have to carry the other provinces and their niche demands that are anchors around their necks to the negotiation table with America all for the non-existent benefits of "Canada" f*ck confederation and the horse it rode in on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceni warrior Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Mutually beneficial trade agreements are a good thing though aren't they? Germany bails out bankrupt Greece with cheap loans and in return retains a market for it's products. The EU doesn't need to own any of its own wealth (It does btw through contributions and import duties and tariffs etc) it just needs to help member states create it. Very few nations are monoliths. The US generates most of it's wealth in a small amount of States. Most of the UK's wealth is generated in London and the south east. Scotland and Wales are just drains on the exchequer. Edited June 17, 2021 by Iceni warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Mutually beneficial trade agreements are a good thing though aren't they? yes, and our trade agreements which are good, are the north south ones with the Americans there is no trade agreement east west, that Canadian state has failed, long time ago the provinces of Canada wage trade war against each other, to jockey for position in trading with Amrerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: yes, and our trade agreements which are good, are the north south ones with the Americans there is no trade agreement east west, that Canadian state has failed, long time ago the provinces of Canada wage trade war against each other, to jockey for position in trading with America the provinces would wage less trade wars against each other if they didn't have to hold onto each other's baggage when dealing north-south not being in confederation would simultaneously boost trade both north-south and east-west confederation is an albatross, only good for doing things that aren't worth doing Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: the provinces would wage less trade wars against each other if they didn't have to hold onto each other's baggage when dealing north-south either way, Canada is not working Canada is not serving the purpose for which it was created this is leaving your generation behind, you are the poor Canadians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 and whether it is in Greece or Canada, that is a recipe for the chaos you see ensuing now the left behind generation will turn to various extremist ideologies in sheer frustration, Woke in the case of Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: either way, Canada is not working Canada is not serving the purpose for which it was created this is leaving your generation behind, you are the poor Canadians and yet millennials still cling to confederation thinking it gets them ahead instead of holding them back self sabotage 9000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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