Is Canada becoming a Communist state?

[myata]

As proud scions of great apes we wouldn't think other then how to take more and where to stuff it not of evil nature just can't. Thinking is expensive, energy consuming and difficult and so it turns itself off the moment the fridge is stuffed beer's in the hand and TV is on. And we thought  that democracy was a magic wand that would somehow fix it whatever we do, but it turned out to be only a tool that still needs a brain that thinks and a hand that works, otherwise just a dead thing that's lying and rusting there.

[WestCanMan]

On 7/16/2021 at 5:16 AM, OftenWrong said:

The first step on the road to communism is- atheism. God cannot overrule the state. Rather, the head of state shall have god-like power, shall be venerated as such by the citizens.

Although I'm personally an atheist, I see a lot of value in many peaceful religions as a buffer against government overreach.

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The next step is to fabricate lies about the state’s past. Make the former state detestable to the citizens. Rewrite history to exclude all the good that was done. Totalitarian control of the message.

If you listened to those idiots you'd think that only white people ever owned slaves, that it ended 20 years ago, and that it was some other culture that abolished slavery. 

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Attack the law. Remove law enforcement, close the courts. Then allow civil unrest to increase. Encourage it. Those who are not with us are against us. Divide the people, make them oppose one another. Anger leads to hate, then violence.

Only the new state is truly good. The new leaders and the new way of thinking will lead us forward in a glorious revolution. 

Again, LPOC & Dems to a T. 

The only part that's missing is the total ownership of the mass media, and in modern day - social media. They use the media extensively to attack the courts, the opposition, and to foment division. 

 

[myata]

If it was just bad "them" and we had much better idea, wouldn't it be a no-brainer just to choose what is better for everybody? Right, it would require a brain to think and ability to chose intelligently and rationally and between obviously bad, good and better options and good luck to us with that.

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

If it was just bad "them" and we had much better idea, wouldn't it be a no-brainer just to choose what is better for everybody? Right, it would require a brain to think and ability to chose intelligently and rationally and between obviously bad, good and better options and good luck to us with that.

Was it not Nietzsche, or was it Kierkegaard who said,

"I sought out higher men, only to find the apes of their ideals". - The disappointed man speaks.

At least if it wasn't that silly grape ape.

[myata]

As a group, humans invariably average around the level of conscious responsibility of the apes, forget about wonderful achievements and miraculous technologies. This is South Korean (OECD) company and here in Canada we're cutting the last old growth forests. If it can be consumed it must be cut, dug, killed, and sold right now (jobs, taxes, GDP and CEO bonuses) and something somehow will take care about tomorrow. Unless apes could evolve but how likely?

Edited July 17, 2021 by myata

[taxme]

On 7/2/2021 at 10:46 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

Canada is quite woke. Giving grants to businesses based on the color of your skin based on some kinds of reparations is an example of a measure which I think is woke.

Personally, I believe that the majority of Canadians are quite asleep. 

Reparations only to certain people of skin color is called racism. The Canadian government practices anti-white racism all the time. If one is white do not apply. The anti-white Canadian government appears to be on a hiring spree for only non-white people these days. ?

[myata]

That is way too simplistic, ideology has nothing to do with it. The happy bunch that is sitting on the public money since the days of Confederation and generously distributing it to itself needs a worthy cause to sprinkle to boost the appearance of "equitability". The louder, the more brazen and in your face is the claim the more likely it would reach the sleepy attention of the public and achieve the sought effect. Look the government is activist, it's doing something so all it's saying must be true or at least almost, including "equitability". Mission accomplished, so the next round of well deserved raises is in order. This time, MPs will go over 200K and ministers, 400K how's that for "equitable", "our frontline heroes"?

Edited July 17, 2021 by myata

[Nefarious Banana]

4 hours ago, myata said:

 . . . .  and here in Canada we're cutting the last old growth forests. If it can be consumed it must be cut, dug, killed, and sold right now  . . . . 

If 'old growth' was never logged . . . there'd be no 'second growth'.

Think of the logger when you're reaching for the roll of ass-wipe.  Or, maybe you don't use it?

[myata]

36 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

If 'old growth' was never logged . . . there'd be no 'second growth'.

Think of the logger when you're reaching for the roll of ass-wipe.  Or, maybe you don't use it?

No you already got the job and paycheck no need to think about anything else it'll fix itself somehow like it always have (cod, lobster and salmon soon then climate) not so? Or it'll be the first one, one or the two and who needs to care if beer's in the hand and TV's on bring it on.

[OftenWrong]

49 minutes ago, myata said:

No you already got the job and paycheck no need to think about anything else it'll fix itself somehow like it always have (cod, lobster and salmon soon then climate) not so? Or it'll be the first one, one or the two and who needs to care if beer's in the hand and TV's on bring it on.

In demockracy, you have the chance to make your point to the government as a private citizen.

in communism? Nyet komrad. 

Nyet.

[Nefarious Banana]

53 minutes ago, myata said:

No you already got the job and paycheck no need to think about anything else it'll fix itself somehow like it always have (cod, lobster and salmon soon then climate) not so? Or it'll be the first one, one or the two and who needs to care if beer's in the hand and TV's on bring it on.

With that gibberish response, one would naturally think that you and Cougar are one and the same . . . . 

[myata]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

In demockracy, you have the chance to make your point to the government as a private citizen.

in communism? Nyet komrad.

A citizen "making a point" to the government is already well on the way to the communism. And we didn't even notice. Demo-cracy, there must be a translator somewhere only forgot.

And sure at some point, time's the only awkward problem there will be a communism that would allow citizens to make points, any number of them and then, you get it. Just grab the food, the beer, TV, f@k sleep well all over and again and the future will take care of itself.

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

1. A citizen "making a point" to the government is already well on the way to the communism.
2. And we didn't even notice.
3. Demo-cracy, there must be a translator somewhere only forgot.
4. And sure at some point, time's the only awkward problem ...
5. there will be a communism that would allow citizens to make points, any number of them and then, you get it.
6. Just grab the food, the beer, TV,
7. f@k sleep well all over and again
8. and the future will take care of itself.

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. ?

[OftenWrong]

51 minutes ago, myata said:

A citizen "making a point" to the government is already well on the way to the communism. And we didn't even notice. Demo-cracy, there must be a translator somewhere only forgot.

And sure at some point, time's the only awkward problem there will be a communism that would allow citizens to make points, any number of them and then, you get it. Just grab the food, the beer, TV, f@k sleep well all over and again and the future will take care of itself.

Would that it were true. The humans are more like grape apes in that they need a motivation to do things. Remove the incentives and you just get lazy good for nothings who start drinking at 8 in the morning. Which isnt necessarily wrong. Just that they do it for free, on the government’s dime.

[Michael Hardner]

18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. The humans are more like grape apes in that they need a motivation to do things.

2. Remove the incentives and you just get lazy good for nothings who start drinking at 8 in the morning. Which isnt necessarily wrong. Just that they do it for free, on the government’s dime.

1.  This is Grape Ape.  

2. Tell me he's lazy.  Just try to tell me that.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Tell me he's lazy.  Just try to tell me that.

He’s certainly no great ape.

And that is my point. Man is like unto a great ape, you say?

Please. Do not insult the monkees.

[cougar]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

In demockracy, you have the chance to make your point to the government as a private citizen.

in communism? Nyet komrad. 

Nyet.

How exactly do you make your point as a "private citizen"?

Myata wants to leave the old growth trees in the forest and so do I, and this may be the wish of 90% of the BC residents.  The government listens to the 10% - the loggers, because those supposedly pay into the government coffers.

We in BC do not want pipelines to the coast.  How does it work for us?  The pipelines are shoved up our arses by the Feds.

We do not want this mass immigration.  Who listens to us?  The numbers of immigrants get increased every year.

And  so on and so on.

Your proclaimed democracy and the idea you can democratically change the future for the better is nothing but FICTION in your head.

You live in a MAFIA controlled place.  Is it the British, Russian, Chinese, Italian, German or whatever type of MAFIA, it is still a MAFIA.

Edited July 18, 2021 by cougar

[myata]

11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1.  This is Grape Ape.  

2. Tell me he's lazy.  Just try to tell me that.

Really. Would be real hard to find a more fitting epitome to the great Canadian democracy!

[myata]

6 hours ago, cougar said:

 this may be the wish of 90% of the BC residents.  The government listens to the 10% - the loggers, because those supposedly pay into the government coffers.

I doubt it's mafia just the same old. Romans wanted bread and circuses, us "jobs" and beer and TV. See, "jobs" can explain and justify pretty much anything. Food on the table, beer in hand, TV on, f@k and all over 30,000 times, what job and how you put it doesn't really matter and the future will take care of itself and the politician will figure it out.

Aka: must survive at all cost and so too bad for you. Same old, "jobs" and "gdp" don't really add much to the picture. Ape time!

And for a politician (it's only a job, too) it's easier and more productive (and rewarding too, not to forget) to stomp and clap to the jobs-jobs-jobs tune, MP 200, public minister 400 (soon), public CEO well into millions than to stand up for what's right, look and find new ways that do not repeat tired old past. Is it even possible to find new ways where nobody really cares, don't fix it while it lasts? Good question. Maybe there will be surprises.

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

How exactly do you make your point as a "private citizen"?

Well for example one could write them letters, and such.

[myata]

28 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Well for example one could write them letters, and such.

As in Eastern German (before the fall) joke, to a visiting professor from the West, what is a democracy? OK, in a democracy I'm free to criticize my Western Germany government. Comrade to Hans: didn't I tell you that we have a democracy, we are also free to criticize Western Germany government!

Don't we also have a democracy, so keep writing those letters!

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, myata said:

Don't we also have a democracy, so keep writing those letters!

Democracy not = 'you get the results you want, regardless of other people's wishes'

Sorry.

[OftenWrong]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Although I'm personally an atheist, I see a lot of value in many peaceful religions as a buffer against government overreach.

Perhaps we could abolish religion, but people still need something to give them solace in the middle of the night, for example after a loved one has died. I defend their right to choose and have this outlet.

What we need to do is something to cap the power of the egotists, those who aspire to become politicians.

"All politics is a will to Stalinism. " - Froderik W. OftenWrong

Hence you'll see the commies attacking religion, but mainly christianity and the RC church. That's what I hear in Mr. Trudeau's reaction every time the native schools issue comes up - Damn the church! If only we on government knew. But, we didn't. <wink, wink> And by the way, I like China!

...

Get it, you's guys? Get it yet?

Yatzee, full circle,

winner winner chicken dinner.

Edited July 18, 2021 by OftenWrong

[myata]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Democracy not = 'you get the results you want, regardless of other people's wishes'

Sorry.

It may also not be exactly "write letters to the government" and hope that something will change even when people want and need it (e.g travel from Wuhan, etc). The important and maybe, critical question is this: can a functional democracy exist without transparency and accountability of the government (regardless of attributes)?

[myata]

Modern functional democracy: people decide on the priorities of the country and make governments deliver on the objectives. Monitor, measure and correct progress as and when necessary.

Authoritarianism: the authority decides on the priorities and does what it wants possibly with some input and little control from the society.

Canadian democracy: people do not decide on the priorities, they can only choose between two default options that aren't essentially different, rather just different management teams. Once in power, a governing team has full unchecked power to form the agenda, is not accountable to anybody and does not even have to deliver on commitments it was elected on (e.g. Liberal electoral reform).

From here it follows that Canadian cannot be counted as a fully functional modern democracy as two essential factors: ability to form the agenda; and to keep governments accountable are not available to the citizens. In the example that was discussed, the people should be able to raise the issue (destruction of old-growth forests); if the issue is of significance for the citizens, to have their will recorded. And once the will of the people is expressed, the government is obligated to fulfill it. The government is a hired manager, a contractor, the people are the owner.

That distinction isn't clear and the tools do not exist, that is, have not been constructed in 160 years. And the inevitable conclusion, no, not a fully functional modern democracy. A label attached does not make it the essence.

And for a practical example, think about China, is it a democracy? Yes there are elections and no, there aren't any mass protests on mainland and in Hong Kong soon once it's harmonized. Now think about old forests, yes there were protests but what has changed? In China and in Canada with respect to old forests, not much has changed protests or no, so do protests make a democracy?

No, obviously. We can go back to the definition: if people-power then people can use it when needed. And if cannot use then cannot be a full democracy never mind the label. And of course few cannot dictate to the majority but who has measured the will of the people in this case? Let's see what the citizens think on this matter, and other important matters, why can't we? Majority governments by some magical token always speak with the mouth of the people, just like GGs embody the spirit of just and selfless government, with unlimited expense account? Bullocks. And fairy tales like beaver folklore. Peasants cannot influence the agenda of a majority government, and cannot express their will on a clear and essential issue and have it fulfilled by a democratic government. Citizens can. So what is a democracy? Everyone's guess - it's only a word.

Edited July 18, 2021 by myata