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4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) 2) Ok.  Well when I look at failed states, it's not because their governments are well set up either.  Don't you think there's something to be said for our politics, whether you see it as right or left ?  Even if we succeeded because we live next door to a wealthy monolith, what of Cuba ?  Mexico ?  Haiti ? 

But of course it's Cuba and Haiti not Norway or Finland as a reference point to make shine ever brightly, how could we, with a tiny population till recent in historic terms change of policy, sitting on the riches of a continent and still managing to screw them up irreparably (like bison, cod fishing, old growth forests). And all of that mediocrity, Phoenix systems, Drs. Charlie Smiths successfully practicing for decades can attributed entirely to the outstanding politics what else, fair is fair.

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1 minute ago, myata said:

But of course it's Cuba and Haiti not Norway or Finland as a reference point to make shine ever brightly, how could we, with a tiny population till recent in historic terms change of policy, sitting on the riches of a continent and still managing to screw them up irreparably (like bison, cod fishing, old growth forests). And all of that mediocrity, Phoenix systems, Drs. Charlie Smiths successfully practicing for decades can attributed entirely to the outstanding politics what else, fair is fair.

Well... I picked examples close to the USA because that was the context.

Some of your other examples are valid.

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16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hahaha.  You mean like when you said you always lose and I pointed out 3 Liberal losses in a row.  Have a piece of cake, do some yoga and do something that makes you happy ok ?  Seriously.
2. It rained yesterday.

So now you are talking about rain on a sunny day!  

And I wasn't talking about a Liberal, Conservative, NDP, Green whatever loss.  We, the regular people who do not exploit other people and resources, lose.  It get's worse and worse.  Now they are talking about inflation.  Who will survive that, after the budget has been strained to the breaking point even before it happens?

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15 hours ago, myata said:

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2. A dynamic, vibrant and modern democracy with great participation of all citizens. Transparent, responsive and responsible governments, top-notch public services including health care, free life-long education, great job mobility, flexible and enjoyable work environment, public or private great universally available benefits.

So which one? And importantly, how; and from where?

Unfortunately for us, this second one is no longer an option.  It all went down with the Global Market Economy model and foreign ownership of land and resources.

Our citizens are not protected.  There is no such thing as Canadians caring for Canadians and there is no such thing as a Canadian either.  

As I have said it before, we  live on a Monopoly Board.  You have some international entity that wants to make money from the old growth forests, oil and gas, mining, whatever - they will put pressure on the politicians to get their agendas through, claim labor shortages and how they are creating jobs for Canadians, then import a few hundred thousand new Canadians from China and a few hundred thousand more from India and the game continues.  Next year - same thing.

Till there are forest no more and everyone's ass is on fire.

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1 hour ago, cougar said:

1.  We, the regular people who do not exploit other people and resources, lose.  It get's worse and worse.  Now they are talking about inflation.  Who will survive that, after the budget has been strained to the breaking point even before it happens?

1. I was alive back in the day, and my feeling is that things are much better than back then.  Communism wasn't something that you would call Trudeau on a web forum, it was something that NATO flew planes to keep away, something you would have nuclear nightmares about.

You can complain all you want, but today's world is better IMO.

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2 hours ago, cougar said:

As I have said it before, we  live on a Monopoly Board.  You have some international entity that wants to make money from the old growth forests, oil and gas, mining, whatever - they will put pressure on the politicians to get their agendas through, claim labor shortages and how they are creating jobs for Canadians, then import a few hundred thousand new Canadians from China and a few hundred thousand more from India and the game continues.  Next year - same thing

I don't think it's black and white, write letters or comrades, rather, it's a slope, a spectrum of shades. On the the one end, open transparent responsive and responsible democracy - yes, to the citizens who own it who else? Obviously, this is not us, and I'm not sure if ever were us.

The next shade, is influenced democracy by various and diverse interests. Here it's important to observe right off that in politics an appearance of the thing is the thing. If something looks like a conflict of interest to a reasonably informed citizen then it is conflict of interest regardless of what some hired stooge decided based on some paragraph and how much they're paid by the same bureaucrat they are supposed to watch. Is there information available to decide for ourselves, not the paragraph, was a conflict of interest or not. No, obviously not available because privileges and prerogatives blah. Is there any information on the topics of private meeting of the public commission head with major businesses? No, not available. Why is it not available? How much should we care for explanations if information is not available? The appearance, I'm guessing going down to the days of Confederation is that Canadian democracy can be influenced. And an appearance is the thing.

Now it doesn't follow that comrades Castro or Stalin would pop up from round the corner, no we can still write letters and it's a road. The next station, from influenced to partially controlled. And that is already borderlands with the third world, yes one station away. In the society as in evolution if you aren't moving ahead you're slipping back.

And if and when you slipped even further to deeply controlled populist quasi-democracy in the name more that in the essence for the lack of any mechanisms to influence the governing powers (how many do we have by the way? who investigated sponsorship scandal after first reports?) then authoritarianism can be the next logical stage. Not black and white, write letters or comrade Stalin. Only a natural logical progression.

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I was alive back in the day, and my feeling is that things are much better than back then.  Communism wasn't something that you would call Trudeau on a web forum, it was something that NATO flew planes to keep away, something you would have nuclear nightmares about.

You can complain all you want, but today's world is better IMO.

"Nuclear nightmares" ??????  Don't forget it was the Americans who dropped the nuclear bomb over Japan, not Russia.

Which country did Russia or any socialist/communist country drop a nuclear bomb over?

People in Russia have been around for many centuries cultivating a culture.  Communism was something which happened over a 65 year span, it does not negate the achievements of a nation.  Look at all the cultural artifacts you can find in Moscow, St. Petersburg / Leningrad, Kiev and just about everywhere.  Look at the shacks and no culture that was built on this continent over the past 100 years.

You better think before you talk.

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7 minutes ago, cougar said:

1. "Nuclear nightmares" ??????  Don't forget it was the Americans who dropped the nuclear bomb over Japan, not Russia.

2.  Look at the shacks and no culture that was built on this continent over the past 100 years.

1. Oh.  I guess my twelve years old self was mistaken for having the nightmares then.  ?

2. Oh, ok based on that everything is horrible, you're correct. ?

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4 hours ago, cougar said:

Our citizens are not protected.  There is no such thing as Canadians caring for Canadians and there is no such thing as a Canadian either.  

Out here in the country we DO take care of one another. It’s the only way sometimes. We dont have the services and conveniences of big city folk. They got everything, so dint need each other anymore.

Thereby man’s inhumanity to man increases.

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Out here in the country we DO take care of one another. It’s the only way sometimes. We dont have the services and conveniences of big city folk. They got everything, so dint need each other anymore.

Thereby man’s inhumanity to man increases.

This is a valid point, although I was looking at the large scale picture.  The picture in which we satisfy the interests of international corporations and not those of the Canadian citizens.

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So I got this leaflet from the local MP or MPP with two terse words on it, "Get vaccinated". Have no clue who the person is, didn't vote for them last time and the way the things are, not going to anytime soon. Didn't look inside either, went straight into the recycling bin (yes, trying to be conscious). Just wondering what type of communication is that? The thing is paid for out of my (taxpayer's) pocket but did I ever ask for it, and why would I need it?

Would you like to get vaccinated? is a question

Let's get vaccinated, an invitation

I, we just got vaccinated, information

But what does just "Get vaccinated" mean? An instruction? An order? A ... what?

My only guess is that at $185K annual, plus allowances on the paycheck of the taxpayer, one's time becomes so precious that every word counts big. One, two and why bother with the etiquette even if paid out of someone else's pocket. The way I interpret it, it's called "detachment", of my reality from theirs. I say you get. You get if I say. I think so you are. You think at $250K it's going to get better?

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32 minutes ago, myata said:

But what does just "Get vaccinated" mean? An instruction? An order? A ... what?

Yes, an order.  They are creating a two tier system - vaccinated now have rights to travel, non-vaccinated don't.  Soon it will affect ability to work too.

But why did you not post this under the Covid threat to at least keep the discussion somewhat on topic?

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36 minutes ago, cougar said:

Yes, an order.  They are creating a two tier system - vaccinated now have rights to travel, non-vaccinated don't.  Soon it will affect ability to work too.

But why did you not post this under the Covid threat to at least keep the discussion somewhat on topic?

Last time I wanted to travel internationally, I had to get certain vaccinations, or I couldn't go.  There's really nothing new or unusual about this, other than in the minds of a certain subset of the population.

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1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Last time I wanted to travel internationally, I had to get certain vaccinations, or I couldn't go.  There's really nothing new or unusual about this, other than in the minds of a certain subset of the population.

I hope they make it very difficult for people to try to live without being vaccinated...

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2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I hope they make it very difficult for people to try to live without being vaccinated...

Diseases will ultimately take care of that, let people do what they want.  There's a reason life expectancy was 40 before modern medicine and vaccines, eh.

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14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I hope they make it very difficult for people to try to live without being vaccinated...

I hope they make it very difficult for people to try to live without having graduated from high school.  

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2 hours ago, Shady said:

I hope they make it very difficult for people to try to live without having graduated from high school.  

It is just the other way around.  You don't graduate, become an equipment operator $40/hour with almost 50% of your time at overtime rates.

You get a diploma or a degree and if you are at all lucky to find a job, it will likely start at $22/hour or less. If you make 1/2 of what the uneducated guy makes, you consider yourself lucky.

This is part of the reason why we are where we are now.

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2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Last time I wanted to travel internationally, I had to get certain vaccinations, or I couldn't go.  There's really nothing new or unusual about this, other than in the minds of a certain subset of the population.

Not true.  I  traveled quite a few years ago, but when I did, nobody ever asked for vaccinations - health insurance, maybe, but not vaccination!

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2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Diseases will ultimately take care of that, let people do what they want.  There's a reason life expectancy was 40 before modern medicine and vaccines, eh.

They will take care of that and wipe out the vaccinated people too.  What were you thinking; we could put 30 billion people on this planet?

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8 minutes ago, cougar said:

Not true.  I  traveled quite a few years ago, but when I did, nobody ever asked for vaccinations - health insurance, maybe, but not vaccination!

You cannot tell me my experience isn't true.  Yours may be different, but that doesn't make me a liar.

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6 minutes ago, cougar said:

They will take care of that and wipe out the vaccinated people too.  What were you thinking; we could put 30 billion people on this planet?

Vaccinated people tend not to die from the diseases they've gotten vaccinated against.  It's the unvaccinated that die.

Whether or not the planet can support 30 billion people is an entirely different discussion.

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41 minutes ago, cougar said:

They will take care of that and wipe out the vaccinated people too.  What were you thinking; we could put 30 billion people on this planet?

stop buying into the overpopulation myth

the population will actually start to decrease according to the long term trends before we even reach 10 billion

it's not 1968 anymore, the population bomb never panned out, time to update your thinking accordingly, instead of clinging to an old doomsday trope that has long since been disproven

there will be no great culling due to overpopulation, Cougar Malthus

simmer down

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48 minutes ago, dialamah said:

You cannot tell me my experience isn't true.  Yours may be different, but that doesn't make me a liar.

Vaccination for what?  Which country?

I think you were just quick to make a generalization which in fundamentally wrong.

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28 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the population will actually start to decrease according to the long term trends before we even reach 10 billion

there will be no great culling due to overpopulation,

 

It will not. Our system is based on population growth - it is a pyramid.

Yes, there will be a great "culling" - if not by man, it will come from nature.  The writing is on the wall and you get new pieces of the puzzle daily - fires, floods, droughts, viruses, tornadoes, hurricanes  - all caused by our activities on the planet. 

Now get this - all of those cause damage and pollution because the piles of plastic , metal, sewage and industrial waste go into the waters and soils.  The destroyed houses and equipment need to be rebuilt, which causes further destruction of habitat and further emissions. Fighting fires and clearing debris also causes extra emissions.  Now with these events increasing, there soon will be no time to rebuild and there will be no food too.

 

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