Is Canada becoming a Communist state?

[blackbird]

While I don't agree with the anti-vaxers and the anti-Covid crowd, I still believe Canadians have freedom of speech.  This guy Chris Sky has just been put on the no-fly list for being an anti-vaxer, anti-Covid protestor/speaker for exercising his right to freedom speech.  The government appears to be shutting him down and preventing him from travel so he cannot go to protest rallies and speak. This while a convicted terrorist, who killed someone when he was fighting for al Qaida in Afghanistan, received 10.5 million dollars and an apology, is not on the no fly list and is free to fly. This is Trudeau's Canada.  Trudeau did express his admiration for the Chinese Communist system about six years ago.  Are we fast becoming a Communist state?  Could the pandemic and Trudeau government's response be the trigger that removes our fundamental freedoms and establishes Canada as a Communist dictatorship?  Should there be a difference between the way a Communist dictatorship acts and the way a western democracy acts toward people who differ in their beliefs and speech about the pandemic and government response?

https://www.rebelnews.com/chris_sky_lands_on_canadas_no_fly_list?utm_campaign=rr_04_09_2021&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel

[myata]

Ontario's head of "vaccine task force" Ret. Gen. Hillier was getting $20,000 monthly for his efforts. As close to communism as it gets, for some of us.

Edited April 10, 2021 by myata

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Ontario's hear of "vaccine task force" Ret. Gen. Hillier was getting $20,000 monthly for his efforts. As close to communism as it gets, for some of us.

People getting paid a lot by government isn't Communism.

[myata]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

People getting paid a lot by government isn't Communism.

If and when it's for mediocre and / or questionable achievement, communism can be a pretty close description

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

People getting paid a lot by government isn't Communism.

Exactly because real world communism is pure, and never corrupt.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, myata said:

If and when it's for mediocre and / or questionable achievement, communism can be a pretty close description

Not at all.  It's called incompetence and although an autocratic socialist society could be rife with it calling it Communist is just clowning around.

[myata]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not at all.  It's called incompetence and although an autocratic socialist society could be rife with it calling it Communist is just clowning around.

We can make a startling discovery here: that incompetent and expensive bureaucracies can look very similar (in the ultimate limit, indistinguishable?) regardless of what ideology banner they march under.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

We can make a startling discovery here: that incompetent and expensive bureaucracies can look very similar (in the ultimate limit, indistinguishable?) regardless of what ideology banner they march under.

Yeah sure.  Nazis are in there too I think.  Thanks.

[dialamah]

3 hours ago, myata said:

If and when it's for mediocre and / or questionable achievement, communism can be a pretty close description

Desperate to see communism around every corner?  I suppose you'd welcome another era of McCarthyism.

[Nefarious Banana]

This may have been posted before . . . Rex Murphy interviewed by Aaron Gunn.  'Cancel Culture' and the 'woke' mobs . 

youtube.com/watch?v=L6bbgQqYs_U

Hope the link works . . . 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Nefarious Banana

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Exactly because real world communism is pure, and never corrupt.

Funny how people who deal in extremes are the first to call communist.

[Moonlight Graham]

If this Chris Sky truly did nothing wrong he should sue and I hope he does.  Liberal government going authoritarian.

[myata]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Desperate to see communism around every corner?  I suppose you'd welcome another era of McCarthyism.

This is communism at its essence: entitled bureaucrats raking public funds producing mediocre or plain disastrous results. And notice that the root cause is exactly the same, regardless of the ideological label: near-complete isolation and detachment from the reality and any responsibility for the result.

And no, McCarthyism would not fix it. Only active, engaged and smart citizens could. Those for example who wouldn't just silently swallow "travel from Wuhan, no problem" but demand and obtain all necessary explanations because it's about them, their country and their future.

[dialamah]

31 minutes ago, myata said:

entitled bureaucrats raking public funds producing mediocre or plain disastrous results.

This is a fact of life in every country in the world.  It is arguably less so in democratic countries, but its existence does not presage communism, that's just silly.  

31 minutes ago, myata said:

Only active, engaged and smart citizens could. Those for example who wouldn't just silently swallow "travel from Wuhan, no problem" but demand and obtain all necessary explanations because it's about them, their country and their future.

Smart and engaged citizens would know that the primary importation of Covid to Canada was via the States, banning travel from Wuhan would have made little or no difference.  Canada did, in fact, ban travel from China prior to banning it from the States.  

The "swallowing" of BS seems to be prevalent among a certain conservative subset, not among the "smart and engaged" population.

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by dialamah

[blackbird]

There are other examples of the growing Communism or totalitarianism with a Marxist bent.

One is the BC NDP minister, possibly the AG, in Victoria saying he (or the government?) are thinking of lifting the driver's licences of people who don't pay their Covid fines or refusing to renew their driver's licences.  This would be arbitrary coercion as driver's licences have nothing to do with paying or not paying Covid fines.

Another example is when a BC NDP minister said they would take a school trustee to the Human Rights Tribunal for making unacceptable comments against Dr. Teresa Tam.  We also know this same school trustee is opposed to the SOGI (sexual orientation and gender identity) curriculum in the B.C. schools education curriculum.  This penchant to silence speech they don't condone is a Marxist trait.  It's the kind of thing that would happen in North Korea or China.

We also are seeing in the present enquiry into the B.C. Casino money laundering that high law enforcement officials and government cabinet ministers seemed to ignore or refused to take action for years when there was credible evidence or signs that large scale money laundering was going on for years.  This was with the previous BC Liberal government in power.  Corruption and authoritarianism seems to not be limited to one party although left wing and liberal parties will obviously be worse.

We also just saw in the television news last night in BC that charges for murder against serious criminals are being dismissed by the court because the RCMP broke some serious laws meant to protect citizens rights, possibly under section 490 of the criminal code.  It seems that is was standard policy to ignore these laws when investigating crime.   It is yet to be seen how many murderers will be set free.

 

Edited April 10, 2021 by blackbird

[Aristides]

47 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

If this Chris Sky truly did nothing wrong he should sue and I hope he does.  Liberal government going authoritarian.

If he pulls that kind of crap on a crowded aircraft, I wouldn't want him there either.

[dialamah]

Just now, blackbird said:

There are other examples of the growing Communism or totalitarianism with a Marxist bent.

One is the BC NDP minister, possibly the AG, in Victoria saying he (or the government?) are thinking of lifting the driver's licences of people who don't pay their Covid fines or refusing to renew their driver's licences.  This would be arbitrary coercion as driver's licences have nothing to do with paying or not paying Covid fines.

Another example is when a BC NDP minister said they would take a school trustee to the Human Rights Tribunal for making unacceptable comments against Dr. Teresa Tam.  We also know this same school trustee is opposed to the SOGI (sexual orientation and gender identity) curriculum in the B.C. schools education curriculum.  This penchant to silence speech they don't condone is a Marxist trait.  It's the kind of thing that would happen in North Korea or China.

 

Yes, certain conservative people don't like Tam, so they have decided to claim she's transsexual, as if that matters in terms of her job.  Maybe she is and maybe she isn't, but I could find no confirmation that she'd ever undergone sex change surgery.  I bet its some rumour, repeated often enough to seem true among those who simply accept what they see in FB memes.

Yeah, that school trustee needs to be gone instead of spreading misinformation and fomenting discrimination against LGBTQ.  Then maybe girls wouldn't get beat up cause they're gay.

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are other examples of the growing Communism or totalitarianism with a Marxist bent.

One is the BC NDP minister, possibly the AG, in Victoria saying he (or the government?) are thinking of lifting the driver's licences of people who don't pay their Covid fines or refusing to renew their driver's licences.  This would be arbitrary coercion as driver's licences have nothing to do with paying or not paying Covid fines.

Another example is when a BC NDP minister said they would take a school trustee to the Human Rights Tribunal for making unacceptable comments against Dr. Teresa Tam.  We also know this same school trustee is opposed to the SOGI (sexual orientation and gender identity) curriculum in the B.C. schools education curriculum.  This penchant to silence speech they don't condone is a Marxist trait.  It's the kind of thing that would happen in North Korea or China.

 

It's been done for years with traffic fines, failure to pay child support etc.

You have a limited amount of time to contest any fine, failure to do so is an admission of guilt. All you can do is contest the constitutionality of the law itself.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Funny how people who deal in extremes are the first to call communist.

I didn't invoke that term here, merely clarifying it. You don't know why communism failed, eh? Based on your comments, probably not.

But still, rah rah rah! Eh?

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Yes, certain conservative people don't like Tam, so they have decided to claim she's transsexual, as if that matters in terms of her job.  Maybe she is and maybe she isn't, but I could find no confirmation that she'd ever undergone sex change surgery.  I bet its some rumour, repeated often enough to seem true among those who simply accept what they see in FB memes.

Yeah, that school trustee needs to be gone instead of spreading misinformation and fomenting discrimination against LGBTQ.  Then maybe girls wouldn't get beat up cause they're gay.

Seems you don't understand what freedom of expression in the Charter of Rights means and you don't understand that governments don't get involved in using the full power, lawyers, and resources of government to shut down a citizen's freedom of speech because they don't like his views.  Using the power of state to control speech or silence citizens is Marxist or Communist style of government.

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's been done for years with traffic fines, failure to pay child support etc.

You have a limited amount of time to contest any fine, failure to do so is an admission of guilt. All you can do is contest the constitutionality of the law itself.

These coercive measures are a sign of Marxist or Communist mentality.  There is similarity with Communist China taking the two Michaels hostage in order to try to get their way.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

These coercive measures are a sign of Marxist or Communist mentality.  There is similarity with Communist China taking the two Michaels hostage in order to try to get their way.

More like holding people accountable for their actions. There is a mechanism for contesting fines with a judge as arbiter if you choose to use it. If not, pay up. 

[dialamah]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Seems you don't understand what freedom of expression in the Charter of Rights means and you don't understand that governments don't get involved in using the full power, lawyers, and resources of government to shut down a citizen's freedom of speech because they don't like his views.  Using the power of state to control speech or silence citizens is Marxist or Communist style of government.

Seems you don't understand the human rights we uphold, which is the right of everybody, including LGBTQ+ people, not to be demeaned and attacked, especially by people in positions of power.   We are a progressive country, and as such we protect people from being targetted and persecuted for race, religion or sexual orientation - a right which Barry Neufeld is actively opposing, and frequently disregards in his public statements. As a private citizen, he can say what he wants.  As a public official, I expect him to uphold the same human rights Canada and Canadians do.

Just like Christians will toss people out of their congregation for expressing views contrary to their particular philosophy, I'm perfectly fine tossing public officials out their job for expressing views contrary to Canada's values and culture.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Seems you don't understand the human rights we uphold, which is the right of everybody, including LGBTQ+ people, not to be demeaned and attacked, especially by people in positions of power.   We are a progressive country, and as such we protect people from being targetted and persecuted for race, religion or sexual orientation - a right which Barry Neufeld is actively opposing, and frequently disregards in his public statements. As a private citizen, he can say what he wants.  As a public official, I expect him to uphold the same human rights Canada and Canadians do.

Just like Christians will toss people out of their congregation for expressing views contrary to their particular philosophy, I'm perfectly fine tossing public officials out their job for expressing views contrary to Canada's values and culture.

Government does not define what is moral or immoral.  Only God does that through his written word.  Nobody can be forced to accept perversion or immoral behavior or practices.  Only in a totalitarian system would a government try to impose it's own standard of perversion on everyone and stop them from speaking against such things.  As long as he is not speaking in a way that falls into "hate speech"  or putting someone in danger or speaking defamation, it is legal to disagree with LGBTQ ideology and practices.  

A man in B.C. has been put in jail for speaking out against a court order that denied him his right to speak about his daughter's transitioning to a boy.  That is Communist or Marxist.  It denies him his basic human rights to disagree with the state, courts and school system support of transitioning his daughter to a boy.  That is brutal totalitarianism.

And by the way, Neufeld was elected by the people as a school trustee, not to be a "public official" whatever that means.  He was elected because of his views by people who agree with him and therefore he has a right to express those views, not the views of Trudeau or progressives.

Edited April 10, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

Smart and engaged citizens would know that the primary importation of Covid to Canada was via the States, banning travel from Wuhan would have made little or no difference.  Canada did, in fact, ban travel from China prior to banning it from the States. 

Sorry but this is just pathetic. 1. 2002, SARS-1, the worst outcome in the developed world. 2. 18 years later, SARS2 Covid, "travel from Wuhan". And then you want to spray it with looking backward pseudo-statistics to the extent that it didn't matter anyway so why bother? Wait, did it matter for Taiwan and Singapore? Feel free to find out, the truth is out there.

Just shows how empty, devoid it is of any sense of intelligence and responsibility like cosmic vacuum. Can't be good for us, collectively.