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5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Desperate to see communism around every corner?  I suppose you'd welcome another era of McCarthyism.

While i disagree about the communism point, i do think that government officials have become bloated at the trough,  be it incompetency or just plain greed, and we as the citizens of this nation , are to tired to say or do anything... which is why we have so many in the wings ready to join , people like Gen Vance, the GG, all of the other GG's, and almost every MP or senator that has pocketed thousands of tax payers money... while we sleep next door thinking all of this is normal..  

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31 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

that government officials have become bloated at the trough,

Let's just put this side by side:

1. "In it together!"

2. Minimal wage with no benefits for PSW in the highest risk environment.

3. $20,000 MONTHLY (see p.2) to the new vaccine "czar" for pretty much botched distribution.

Does this little snapshot of our reality need any further interpretation, or this is already it, the result and the outcome?

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1 hour ago, myata said:

Sorry but this is just pathetic. 1. 2002, SARS-1, the worst outcome in the developed world. 2. 18 years later, SARS2 Covid, "travel from Wuhan". And then you want to spray it with looking backward pseudo-statistics to the extent that it didn't matter anyway so why bother? Wait, did it matter for Taiwan and Singapore? Feel free to find out, the truth is out there.

Just shows how empty, devoid it is of any sense of intelligence and responsibility like cosmic vacuum. Can't be good for us, collectively.

Serology told us last spring that the great majority of Canadian cases arrived from the US and Europe, not China. Stopping flights from China alone would have made no difference.

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43 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Serology told us last spring that the great majority of Canadian cases arrived from the US and Europe, not China. Stopping flights from China alone would have made no difference.

Was it serious or some subtle irony there? Is that really how the thinking goes in those circles? So in January 2020, 18 years after SARS-1 debacle J.T. and his marvel-team zip forward into the future with their magical "serology" ball, see there that the cases would come from elsewhere and pronounce the famous(-in) Wuhan wisdom? Seriously, it could have been funny if wasn't so ... so, OK I'm lost for the right word to characterize this. And they will try it the next time around too, yes, and why not if it worked so well?

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2 hours ago, myata said:

Was it serious or some subtle irony there? Is that really how the thinking goes in those circles? So in January 2020, 18 years after SARS-1 debacle J.T. and his marvel-team zip forward into the future with their magical "serology" ball, see there that the cases would come from elsewhere and pronounce the famous(-in) Wuhan wisdom? Seriously, it could have been funny if wasn't so ... so, OK I'm lost for the right word to characterize this. And they will try it the next time around too, yes, and why not if it worked so well?

Actually it was BC that determined while its first case came from China the great majority of early cases had either US or European/Eastern Canada signatures.  They did it by checking random blood samples taken for reasons other than Covid.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-virus-modelling-most-sequenced-cases-are-european-eastern-canadian-u-s-strains-1.4969069

 

On edit: The non covid blood samples were used to get an idea what percentage of people had been infected.

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14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Are we fast becoming a Communist state? 

 

I kind of know what you want to say, but calling it "Communist" doesn't feel quite right.

We should be thinking about the following:  "Are we losing our basic freedoms?", "Are we losing our freedom of speech?"

Are we becoming a "Lawless, unconstitutional state"?

There has to be a word for it which is British, not Russian.

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7 hours ago, Aristides said:

Serology told us last spring that the great majority of Canadian cases arrived from the US and Europe, not China. Stopping flights from China alone would have made no difference.

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Here is a timeline of COVID-19 cases in this country.

   Jan. 25: A man in his 50s who arrived in Toronto from Wuhan, China, the epicentre of the outbreak, becomes the first "presumptive" case of the new coronavirus in Canada. The man called 911 as soon as he got sick with relatively minor symptoms and was placed in isolation in Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital.

   Jan. 26: The wife of the Toronto man who was Canada's first "presumptive" case of the new coronavirus becomes the second presumptive case. The woman is kept in home isolation.

   Jan. 27: The National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg confirms that a man in quarantine in Sunnybrook Hospital is Canada's first documented case of the new coronavirus.

   Jan 28: Health authorities confirm Canada's second case of the novel coronavirus. The woman had recently travelled to Wuhan with her husband, who was the first case confirmed in Canada.

   Jan 28: Health officials in British Columbia say a man in his 40s is presumed to have the new coronavirus and is doing well as he recovers at his Vancouver home. B.C.'s health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry, says the man often works in China and voluntarily isolated himself upon returning to Canada.

   Jan. 28: The presumed case of the new strain of coronavirus in B.C. is confirmed by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg.

   Jan. 31: Toronto man hospitalized with the novel coronavirus is well enough to go home. Sunnybrook Hospital says he'll continue to recover at home, where his wife is also in self-isolation.

   Jan. 31: Ontario's third case of the new coronavirus is confirmed. The patient, a woman in her 20s, had travelled to the affected area in China. The London university student initially tested negative for the virus, but a subsequent test at the national lab in Winnipeg was positive. Health officials say her symptoms are minor.

Canada's 1st 'presumptive' case of coronavirus found in Toronto

8 more cases of COVID-19 identified in B.C., including 1 of unknown origin

   Feb. 4: Health officials announce another presumptive confirmed case in B.C. Henry says the woman had family visiting from China's Hubei province and she is in isolation at her home.

   Feb. 5: British Columbia's second case of coronavirus is confirmed by the National Microbiology Lab.

   Feb. 6: Henry announces two new cases of COVID-19 in B.C., noting both people were in the same household as the woman diagnosed with the province's second case.

Three of the four patients in Alberta are connected to the same Grand Princess cruise ship that docked Monday in Oakland, Calif. (Kate Munsch/Reuters)

   Feb. 12: Ontario health officials say the woman from London, Ont., no longer has the novel coronavirus in her system. It marks the first time a case of the illness has been resolved in Canada.

   Feb. 14: Officials in B.C. announce the province's fifth case of COVID-19. The woman in her 30s who lives in B.C.'s Interior recently returned from Hubei province.

   Feb. 19: Henry announces that the person diagnosed with B.C.'s first case of the new coronavirus has recovered. It's the first time this has happened in the province.

   Feb. 20: A woman who recently returned from Iran is diagnosed with British Columbia's sixth case of COVID-19. She's the first person in the country diagnosed with the illness who did not recently visit China. Meanwhile, in Ontario, the man who had Canada's first case of the virus is cleared after testing negative for the illness twice in 24 hours.

   Feb. 21: The last known case of coronavirus in Ontario is resolved.

Canada's first COVID-19 death is not cause for panic — but shows need to protect most vulnerable

   Feb. 23: Officials in Toronto announce Ontario has a new case of coronavirus — the fourth to be diagnosed in the province. The woman arrived in Toronto from China several days earlier.   unquote

Timeline of COVID-19 cases across Canada | CBC News

It is obvious from news reports the first cases were coming from China for weeks beginning January 25th, 2020.  Trudeau refused to close the border to air travel from China.  If Trudeau had closed the border to air travel from China and other countries, particularly countries known to have Covid, back in January, and closed the border to non-essential travel from the U.S., the entire picture in Canada might have been much different.

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6 hours ago, blackbird said:

It is obvious from news reports the first cases were coming from China for weeks beginning January 25th, 2020.  Trudeau refused to close the border to air travel from China.  If Trudeau had closed the border to air travel from China and other countries, particularly countries known to have Covid, back in January, and closed the border to non-essential travel from the U.S., the entire picture in Canada might have been much different.

Of course with the experience of SARS-1, 2002-2003 and from what we know now, the laxity and ease with with which these events were treated by the political and health authorities could hardy be classified as anything other than gross negligence and carelessness in the matters of critical importance, for which unknown price was paid and is being paid by the society. But we're only getting what we procured and were happy with, and really, have nobody else to blame.

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10 hours ago, blackbird said:

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Here is a timeline of COVID-19 cases in this country.

   Jan. 25: A man in his 50s who arrived in Toronto from Wuhan, China, the epicentre of the outbreak, becomes the first "presumptive" case of the new coronavirus in Canada. The man called 911 as soon as he got sick with relatively minor symptoms and was placed in isolation in Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital.

   Jan. 26: The wife of the Toronto man who was Canada's first "presumptive" case of the new coronavirus becomes the second presumptive case. The woman is kept in home isolation.

   Jan. 27: The National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg confirms that a man in quarantine in Sunnybrook Hospital is Canada's first documented case of the new coronavirus.

   Jan 28: Health authorities confirm Canada's second case of the novel coronavirus. The woman had recently travelled to Wuhan with her husband, who was the first case confirmed in Canada.

   Jan 28: Health officials in British Columbia say a man in his 40s is presumed to have the new coronavirus and is doing well as he recovers at his Vancouver home. B.C.'s health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry, says the man often works in China and voluntarily isolated himself upon returning to Canada.

   Jan. 28: The presumed case of the new strain of coronavirus in B.C. is confirmed by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg.

   Jan. 31: Toronto man hospitalized with the novel coronavirus is well enough to go home. Sunnybrook Hospital says he'll continue to recover at home, where his wife is also in self-isolation.

   Jan. 31: Ontario's third case of the new coronavirus is confirmed. The patient, a woman in her 20s, had travelled to the affected area in China. The London university student initially tested negative for the virus, but a subsequent test at the national lab in Winnipeg was positive. Health officials say her symptoms are minor.

Canada's 1st 'presumptive' case of coronavirus found in Toronto

8 more cases of COVID-19 identified in B.C., including 1 of unknown origin

   Feb. 4: Health officials announce another presumptive confirmed case in B.C. Henry says the woman had family visiting from China's Hubei province and she is in isolation at her home.

   Feb. 5: British Columbia's second case of coronavirus is confirmed by the National Microbiology Lab.

   Feb. 6: Henry announces two new cases of COVID-19 in B.C., noting both people were in the same household as the woman diagnosed with the province's second case.

Three of the four patients in Alberta are connected to the same Grand Princess cruise ship that docked Monday in Oakland, Calif. (Kate Munsch/Reuters)

   Feb. 12: Ontario health officials say the woman from London, Ont., no longer has the novel coronavirus in her system. It marks the first time a case of the illness has been resolved in Canada.

   Feb. 14: Officials in B.C. announce the province's fifth case of COVID-19. The woman in her 30s who lives in B.C.'s Interior recently returned from Hubei province.

   Feb. 19: Henry announces that the person diagnosed with B.C.'s first case of the new coronavirus has recovered. It's the first time this has happened in the province.

   Feb. 20: A woman who recently returned from Iran is diagnosed with British Columbia's sixth case of COVID-19. She's the first person in the country diagnosed with the illness who did not recently visit China. Meanwhile, in Ontario, the man who had Canada's first case of the virus is cleared after testing negative for the illness twice in 24 hours.

   Feb. 21: The last known case of coronavirus in Ontario is resolved.

Canada's first COVID-19 death is not cause for panic — but shows need to protect most vulnerable

   Feb. 23: Officials in Toronto announce Ontario has a new case of coronavirus — the fourth to be diagnosed in the province. The woman arrived in Toronto from China several days earlier.   unquote

Timeline of COVID-19 cases across Canada | CBC News

It is obvious from news reports the first cases were coming from China for weeks beginning January 25th, 2020.  Trudeau refused to close the border to air travel from China.  If Trudeau had closed the border to air travel from China and other countries, particularly countries known to have Covid, back in January, and closed the border to non-essential travel from the U.S., the entire picture in Canada might have been much different.

I gave you the actual genome sequencing for the virus as it entered BC. Clearly wasting my time.

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And this is a very visual illustration of how the thinking goes somewhere, in a near-perfect isolation from the reality:

1. Given dismal performance (almost) two decades back shouldn't we be more careful now with this unknown and potentially dangerous new thingy?

> not to worry, travel from Wuhan not a problem!

2. But it turned out to be a serious problem after all.

> not to worry, serology showed that it didn't matter anyways!

Now looks like this sort of lighthearted careless attitude runs pretty much everything in this country, including: public health; finances and economy; security and defense etc.

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14 hours ago, cougar said:

I kind of know what you want to say, but calling it "Communist" doesn't feel quite right.

We should be thinking about the following:  "Are we losing our basic freedoms?", "Are we losing our freedom of speech?"

Are we becoming a "Lawless, unconstitutional state"?

There has to be a word for it which is British, not Russian.

Communism or Marxism is a creeping, slow poison in western society.  It is not a black and white thing.  There is no middle word to describe it unless you want to call it creeping Socialism or Marxism.  The middle word might be liberalism or so-called Social Democracy.  It is driven by liberal, progressive ideology generally from the left of the political spectrum.  But at the root is a deep spiritual struggle in the world, between good and bad, truth and error, or between God and anti-god or Satan and his minions and those who have been deceived and follow him.  A refusal to follow God's word or God's revelation to man leaves a vacuum that must be filled.  What fills the vacuum is man-made ideology otherwise called secular humanism which is liberalism.  I should mention even though we have all this evil in the world, God is still in control and allows these things to happen for his own glory.  We may not understand why God allows evil to happen, but the Bible says all things work out for the glory of God and for his purposes.

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On 4/11/2021 at 1:32 PM, blackbird said:

Communism or Marxism is a creeping, slow poison in western society.  It is not a black and white thing.  There is no middle word to describe it unless you want to call it creeping

I recall a joke from a movie about Eastern Germany during the Iron Wall I think. Two buddies talking, look I hear on TV how life is getting ever better and more prosperous but when I walk in the store, only see empty shelves. What is it, my ears or my eyes?

Somehow rings with our vaccination drive, here in Ontario at least. We hear about daily hundreds of thousand cheerfully marching to total vaccination but where can we see one who actually got it?

And this brings an interesting, purely imaginary at this time dilemma: what if, Heavens forbid, vaccine did not arrive? Something happened, production, legislation etc and no vaccine (other than given away by generous neighbors and for foreseeable time). Only theoretically, what would we do?

1. Tell people the truth, come together (not muzak), work together, forget outrageous $$$$$ for pompous speeches, forget outrageous lifetime pensions and find a solution that works for everybody in the country for real, not muzak?

2. Stash the remaining dozes for essential people, play the successful vaccination march, pump fear into airwaves and channels plus "wear it everywhere" placebo?

Sounds Orwellian, I know and to me too. But are you sure which one it would be, Heavens forbid? Because in all honesty, I couldn't tell you for certain.

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To the topic, I think is Canada edging, quietly but steadily to something that is called "facade democracy". Not ideology, no isms just a democracy that (mostly) works for itself, rather than the people. And this is only facts. Travel from Wuhan - who asked look we had something like that 18 years back, maybe we should be more careful here? None. Nobody. $20,000 a month for leading the task force, why such an excess at the time of solemn togetherness?

It makes perfect sense for the bureaucracy though. Giving to Gen. Hillier it's rewarding itself, anyone of us can end up leading taskforces, offices, bureaus, organizations, crown corporations you name it and the leaders (i.e. us) have to be rewarded well. Entitled to entitlements, famous and eternal wisdom.

And what if already there? And why not?

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On 4/10/2021 at 4:48 AM, Michael Hardner said:

People getting paid a lot by government isn't Communism.

You don't think that people close to the top of socialist/communist regimes, who belch propaganda, get a lot of money? 

Basic rule of socialism, communism and autocracies: peons are poor, cronies are rich. 

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On 4/10/2021 at 6:40 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Not at all.  It's called incompetence and although an autocratic socialist society could be rife with it calling it Communist is just clowning around.

Call it what you want but our government is blatantly exercising unconstitutional control over the media and the judicial system and they're also using this covid lockdown to curb religious freedoms. Trudeau himself participated in a large & racially divisive protest, right at the apex of the covid lockdowns, but at no point have religious gatherings even 1/10th that size been allowed. That little bastard treats religion the same way as the communists do.

The constant attacks on Rebel Media from the police are also unconstittional and this use of the no-fly list to take freedom of speech away from a Canadian isn't surprising at all coming from this government. Little by little they're eroding freedoms and checks & balances that made this country what it was.

If a conservative government put BLMers on a no-fly list in order to stop them from starting riots then the MSM here would go apoplectic and brand them as racist overlords. When our government gets caught in a scandal they say "Look, it's nothing; this recent poll says Canadians don't care, and the PM gave us a watered-down description of his crime that we personally like" because they're so far up Trudeau's ass that they taste his morning coffee before he does.

Our country is a complete shit-show now. 

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On 4/10/2021 at 9:35 AM, Aristides said:

Funny how people who deal in extremes are the first to call communist.

What word would you prefer Aristedes?

People associate communism with authoritarian control over the media and all aspects of daily life and the government. 

Canada is a lot like China now, where there's a hodge podge of capitalism along with strict government oversight and control that is unconstitutional by western standards.

What is the difference between Trudeau's Canada and Xi's China, Aristedes? Is one a capitalist democracy and the other a purely communist society? The answer to that is a flat out NO. They meet somewhere in the middle, and it's a lot closer to the 'communist' (actual/brutal communism, not theoretical/dreamy communism) side than you think. 

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On 4/11/2021 at 10:32 AM, blackbird said:

There is no middle word to describe it unless you want to call it creeping Socialism or Marxism.  The middle word might be liberalism or so-called Social Democracy.  It is driven by liberal, progressive ideology generally from the left of the political spectrum.  But at the root is a deep spiritual struggle in the world, between good and bad, truth and error, or between God and anti-god or Satan and his minions and those who have been deceived and follow him.

Involving Marx or Lenin into something your perceive as wrong is only casting the blame where it does not belong and creating international hatred.

What good are you defending?  The good capitalist world where the CEO gets 1,000 times the wages of his employees, and while the employee has no shelter and can hardly cover the medical bills, that top guy is on vacation on some island.

The bad socialism did not allow this to happen.  There were no people on the streets, no drug overdoses, no shootings.

Involving God is even more bizarre under the circumstances.  We are fostering a nation of complete idiots who see one thing and one thing only - money.  They have no other purpose in life.  Money making and destroying the planet or the lives of others.

Good grief!

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Trudeau's policies, actions, and words prove he has a Marxist mindset.  The word Marxist includes an authoritarian mindset that believes that individual's have no God-given rights or freedoms and that the state can do whatever it wishes and control individuals to any degree they wish. For example, he believes he can take Canadian's hard-earned tax dollars and spend them any way he wishes.  He has pushed Canada into hundreds of billions of dollars of debt and weekly or daily hands out billions of dollars as if it were water.  Canada may have the highest per capita debt of any western country.  His new gun buyback program also apparently makes airsoft replica guns illegal, although these are used by many airsoft gun sports clubs across Canada.  The government is attempting to outlaw them apparently because they look like real guns.  This is big brother's version of mind or thought control.

 He plans to bring in a million immigrants from the third world over the next three years, which will further his political base as most will repay him with their votes in the future.  Most of them believe government is there to provide social benefits and money for them as do most NDP, Greens and Liberals.  Many come from third world countries that have had civil wars, Communist revolutions, terrorist groups, brutal dictators, and high crime rates.  It would be nice if he put Canadians first for a change instead of trying to support the rest of the world.

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52 minutes ago, cougar said:

Involving Marx or Lenin into something your perceive as wrong is only casting the blame where it does not belong and creating international hatred.

What good are you defending?  The good capitalist world where the CEO gets 1,000 times the wages of his employees, and while the employee has no shelter and can hardly cover the medical bills, that top guy is on vacation on some island.

The bad socialism did not allow this to happen.  There were no people on the streets, no drug overdoses, no shootings.

Involving God is even more bizarre under the circumstances.  We are fostering a nation of complete idiots who see one thing and one thing only - money.  They have no other purpose in life.  Money making and destroying the planet or the lives of others.

Good grief!

Socialism, Communism, and various forms of Marxism or semi-Marxism are evil ideologies and systems that need to be condemned and opposed.  You need to get a King James Bible and study it.  God created man with individual dignity and rights including the right to private property and Marxist ideologies deny that.  They are anti-God and deny human rights.

Who is creating "international hatred"?   Those who follow evil diabolical ideologies or those who stand up for the truth given to us by our Creator God.

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John 1:5-9 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Ephesians 5:11 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

John 8:12 12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Ephesians 5:8 8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the LORD: walk as children of light:

Ephesians 5:13 13But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."

Jesus said his doctrine would cause division even within families.  It causes division within churches and society.  God has commanded us to stand up for the truth no matter what others say or think.  Jesus is God and we must follow him.  The hostility toward Christians is age old and many were martyred down through the ages and even today many are killed every day.  Whose side are you on?

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27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Socialism, Communism, and various forms of Marxism or semi-Marxism are evil ideologies and systems that need to be condemned and opposed.

For the bureaucracy though god means privilege; entitlement; and absence of any responsibility. And it can thrive under any ideological banner.

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For the bureaucracy though god means privilege; entitlement; and absence of any responsibility. And it can thrive under any ideological banner.

Yes, there are many false gods and false religions in the world, even in highest government offices.  That is why the true God gave us his revelation, which in English is the King James Bible.  Rome and all other false religions hate this Bible because it exposes them and their systems.  

"John 3:19-21 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."  KJB

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2 hours ago, cougar said:

What good are you defending?  The good capitalist world where the CEO gets 1,000 times the wages of his employees, and while the employee has no shelter and can hardly cover the medical bills, that top guy is on vacation on some island.

Good is when you or your parents can start their own businesses, and they can get loans from banks based on the merits of their enterprise to do so, etc. 

I know lots of people with successful businesses. We have a business ourselves.

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The bad socialism did not allow this to happen.  There were no people on the streets, no drug overdoses, no shootings.

What are you going on about? Are you talking about the fact that people in socialist countries are trying so hard to get food that they have no time to think about getting drugs? 

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Involving God is even more bizarre under the circumstances. 

FYI it's not about 'involving God', it's about how important it is to have the right to choose your religion, or lack thereof, for yourself. Whether or not it's legal to associate for religious gatherings is a fundamental part of that. It's a fundamental part of a free society. 

In China the communist party is your god, period. 

In Canada, the liberals and the MSM are trying to replace God with Goofy.

In Canada you are free to protest or gather for whatever Trudeau wants you to do in massive numbers (even for the racist and terrorist BLM movement) but you can't congregate for church services and you can't protest against lockdowns. Remember Trudeau's response to yellow vest protests here? Wear a yellow vest, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 because we need you to go back to work and support my voters.  

Why is it that you can pretend that police in Canada are a bunch of racist scum just because Rayshard got shot after punching a cop/stealing his taser/shooting it at his face, but you can't protest about the carbon tax, Bill M-103 (a bigoted joke), and the UN Migration Pact (which intrudes on our sovereignty)?

People who act woke are almost always the exact opposite. 

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On 4/10/2021 at 7:48 AM, Michael Hardner said:

People getting paid a lot by government isn't Communism.

Yes, that's liberalism to be be correct on terminology here. Aside from the last remaining rightwing white church lunatics, who else is motivated by the Red Scare today? 

I will not only welcome, but I will do my part to support and fight for communism! I just wish more than a small minority actually understood what communism is, means and that the great existential threat today is the capitalist hive mind we are all stuck inside today.

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