America under President Trump

[?Impact]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

As for Hillary, there's rumours that she isn't off the hook.  It's being theorized that the FBI didn't charge her for the sole reason that they don't want to give Obama the chance to pardon her.  Obama cannot pardon Hillary if she isn't convicted of any crime.  It's said that they're waiting for Obama to make his exit.

 

There are lots of [conspiracy] theories out there. The only thing they have in common is they are 99.999999999% bull.

[betsy]

10 hours ago, ?Impact said:

 

There are lots of [conspiracy] theories out there. The only thing they have in common is they are 99.999999999% bull.

Mostly are.  Revolt or problems within the FBI, wasn't bull.

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

Latest from Trump:

Same-sex marriage is a done law.   Will appoint a judge that opposes abortion rights.  Urges protesters to not be afraid. Trump will forego presidential salary.

 

I think Trump will try to be a very good - if not the best President.  At this point in his life and at his age, he's most likely to have become spiritual.

 

The Presidency is most likely a very big challenge for him - and I think he's a man who loves and hunger for  challenge.  This is the ultimate challenge.  I tend to believe that he's serious in wanting to make America great again (prosperity, jobs, security, world leadership, and all that).

When you're a so rich, it is very likely too that he's now more than ever, wanting to leave a positive legacy.....and who knows, he might be paving the way for any of his children who'd want to enter politics.  To leave a very positive impression will be to their utmost advantage.

Edited November 14, 2016 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

On 60 Minutes last night, Trump already backed away from prosecuting Hillary, building a wall, getting rid of Obamacare, and creating a deportation force. Next they'll say they'll keep Roe v Wade. I wonder if the idiots are realizing they've been conned? Sometimes that takes a while with idiots.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

On 60 Minutes last night, Trump already backed away from prosecuting Hillary, building a wall, getting rid of Obamacare, and creating a deportation force. Next they'll say they'll keep Roe v Wade. I wonder if the idiots are realizing they've been conned? Sometimes that takes a while with idiots.

He is a politician after all!

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

He is a politician after all!

More like: Donald and Barry met...Barry is worried about his legacy...Donald said I'll see what I can do.

 

No promises.

[The_Squid]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Same-sex marriage is a done law.   Will appoint a judge that opposes abortion rights. 

Isn't abortion a "done law" too?   What makes that abortion rights any different than the right to get married if you're gay?

[Guest]

I would think that any serious move to overturn Roe vs Wade would result in protests such as have never been seen in the US.  I can't imagine Trump being that dumb.

[Argus]

6 hours ago, betsy said:

Mostly are.  Revolt or problems within the FBI, wasn't bull.

If that were true then the job of a responsible government is to go through the FBI with a chain saw and instantly fire any and all agents who are bringing their political views to work.  There is no room in a democracy for a politicized police force.

[BC_chick]

It's gonna be a state issue he says and 'women can go to another state if they want an abortion'. 

These are his own words. 

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I would think that any serious move to overturn Roe vs Wade would result in protests such as have never been seen in the US.  I can't imagine Trump being that dumb.

You have a poor imagination, then. This is a guy who borrowed a billion bucks to open a pair of casinos in Atlantic city without doing any financial forecasts about how much money he'd need to pull in to pay for them, or whether he was likely to get that much.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

You have a poor imagination, then. This is a guy who borrowed a billion bucks to open a pair of casinos in Atlantic city without doing any financial forecasts about how much money he'd need to pull in to pay for them, or whether he was likely to get that much.

Well, that's dumb on a different level.  It obviously worked out ok for him, so I assume he had backup.

[Argus]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Well, that's dumb on a different level.  It obviously worked out ok for him, so I assume he had backup.

Is that a sort of dry English wit?

[segnosaur]

10 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I would think that any serious move to overturn Roe vs Wade would result in protests such as have never been seen in the US.  I can't imagine Trump being that dumb.

Trump himself wouldn't be overturning Roe vs. Wade.... instead, he'd be appointing supreme court justices, who might then overturn it (assuming Trump actually gets the opportunity to make more than 1 supreme court nomination, likely given the ages of those currently on the court.) He'd be at arms-length from the decision. Heck, he might not even be in office at the time it gets overturned (since the supreme court appointments last long past the end of the presidential term.)

[Guest]

Just now, Argus said:

Is that a sort of dry English wit?

I'd love to take credit for it, but no, I was being serious.  He can do that and survive.  He must know that.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, segnosaur said:

Trump himself wouldn't be overturning Roe vs. Wade.... instead, he'd be appointing supreme court justices, who might then overturn it (assuming Trump actually gets the opportunity to make more than 1 supreme court nomination, likely given the ages of those currently on the court.) He'd be at arms-length from the decision. Heck, he might not even be in office at the time it gets overturned (since the supreme court appointments last long past the end of the presidential term.)

I know he won't personally do it, but I'm willing to bet he won't appoint the people to get it done, either.

[segnosaur]

17 minutes ago, The_Squid said:

Same-sex marriage is a done law.   Will appoint a judge that opposes abortion rights. 

Isn't abortion a "done law" too?   What makes that abortion rights any different than the right to get married if you're gay?

Neither of them are "done laws", since there are always areas where there can be interference.

For example, Texas passed a bunch of regulations affecting abortion clinics, with the end result of closing down a bunch of them. (Regulations included things like mandating the width of hallways, which isn't an issue in abortion clinics, only hospitals.) So, abortion wasn't "banned", the state just passed a bunch of laws making it really really hard for thousands of women to get them (unless they had the money to travel hundreds of miles to other cities, etc.)

The supreme court eventually struck down the Texas law by a vote of 5-3. But, if Trump gets the ability to make just 2 supreme court nominations, the law would have been upheld by a vote of 5-4.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/politics/supreme-court-abortion-texas/

The same sort of think may happen with gay rights... while the courts may not necessarily rule "homosexuality is illegal", what you will likely see are anti-gay laws passed in various jurisdictions (such as the North Carolina bathroom bill) that pick away at gay rights even if the laws don't go as far as rounding up gay people and firing them into the sun.

Its one of the concepts that Trump supporters seem to not understand... you can have bigoted or problematic laws that are bad for people, bad for the country, even if they don't go as far as completely ban.

Then again, there is also the possibility that the Supreme court can over-rule itself, as has happened in the past. In theory, a state could pass an anti-gay marriage bill that would have failed according to the previous decision, and a conservative-biased supreme court can overrule the previous ruling.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/10-overturned-supreme-court-cases.htm

 

[segnosaur]

16 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Trump himself wouldn't be overturning Roe vs. Wade.... instead, he'd be appointing supreme court justices, who might then overturn it

I know he won't personally do it, but I'm willing to bet he won't appoint the people to get it done, either.

What makes you think that will be the case?

Trump said he'd do it during the election.

Trump has said he'd do so after the election (so he's been consistent as of late).

Many republican congress critters want Row v. Wade overturned.

The republican party has a hardcore base of supporters who want it overturned.

Unlike gay marriage (where at least trump supporters can point to conflicting statements he made on the issue so they can believe anything they want), his stance on abortion has been pretty black-and-white.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, segnosaur said:

What makes you think that will be the case?

Trump said he'd do it during the election.

Trump has said he'd do so after the election (so he's been consistent as of late).

Many republican congress critters want Row v. Wade overturned.

The republican party has a hardcore base of supporters who want it overturned.

Unlike gay marriage (where at least trump supporters can point to conflicting statements he made on the issue so they can believe anything they want), his stance on abortion has been pretty black-and-white.

I think the reaction to such a thing would be beyond all expectations.  I think it would ruin America.

But let's be honest.  I couldn't imagine DT getting the nomination, never mind the presidency.  I couldn't imagine the leave side winning the Brexit vote, either. 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I'd love to take credit for it, but no, I was being serious.  He can do that and survive.  He must know that.

His casinos went into bankruptcy. The only reason he 'survived' is the bankers decided his other businesses were worth more with the big time circus promoter as their public face.

[segnosaur]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I think the reaction to such a thing would be beyond all expectations.  I think it would ruin America.

But let's be honest.  I couldn't imagine DT getting the nomination, never mind the presidency.  I couldn't imagine the leave side winning the Brexit vote, either. 

I don't think it would "ruin america". It would be horribly unfair, an idiotic decision, and a bad idea. But, lets face it, its an issue that, biologically, wouldn't impact half the population. And lets face it, even when abortions are legal, most women don't get them. (Women, heck everyone should care, I'm just not convinced that they will, with enough vigor to change anything.) There may be wide scale protests, but those would eventually pass.

And lets face it, Trump had no problem spouting off bigoted comments during the election (things that likewise would cause widespread problems), but it didn't stop him, even though those comments were harmful. I can't see him taking any more care when it comes to abortion.

 

[Smallc]

Trump doesn't want to hurt the Clintons - they're good people.

I wonder how the "Lock her up!" crowd feels about that statement?

[kimmy]

7 hours ago, segnosaur said:

What makes you think that will be the case?

Trump said he'd do it during the election.

Trump has said he'd do so after the election (so he's been consistent as of late).

Many republican congress critters want Row v. Wade overturned.

The republican party has a hardcore base of supporters who want it overturned.

One of the interesting things he said in his 60 Minutes interview is that he feels that if it does get overturned, it'll become a States Rights issue.  I can't imagine that stance making either side happy.  Pro-life people don't just want abortion banned in Texas and Mississippi and Arkansas... they want it banned everywhere, because they feel it's murder and they don't believe murder should be allowed, period.

 -k

[Derek 2.0]

1 minute ago, kimmy said:

it'll become a States Rights issue.

 

Like I've been saying........and his response if a women wanted an abortion in a place that it was outlawed.....go out of State.

[kimmy]

1 minute ago, Derek 2.0 said:

Like I've been saying........and his response if a women wanted an abortion in a place that it was outlawed.....go out of State.

Yeah, and at present a number of states have been so successful at regulating abortion clinics out of existence that a lot of women are looking at a long road trip to get an abortion even now.

But my comment is that this has to be a position that's going to make the pro-life crew furious. They don't want her to be able to get on a bus and go out of state to get an abortion. They want her to carry that pregnancy to term, end of story.

 -k