America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

40 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah because we enjoy circuses.  Don’t worry we have our own distinctly Canadian shitshow.  

 

Of course, but unlike the CBC, American news networks do not provide live coverage of your circus.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Like I said before, but you dodged the point - "no one has witnessed inhumanity at the border".

No that point has been quite adequately refuted by eyewitness and as reported by the media, inhumanity is clearly happening at the border and only an ass-hole would say otherwise.

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If you can turn their plan into "let them eat cake - here's how we're going to pay for it all" then I'm all ears. So let's hear your plan eyeball.

There's no plan nothing can stop refugees from coming and nothing can prevent America from becoming even more inhumane in response.  Hence my comment, we haven't seen anything yet.  That it has come to this has all been quite obvious for years.

Your type is still every bit as completely oblivious.

[GostHacked]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Of course, but unlike the CBC, American news networks do not provide live coverage of your circus.

Ok.

[OftenWrong]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Hyperbolic pap.  Show me where Sanders says he will seize the means of production.

2. And yet works people make no meaningful gains.  Things remain precarious and Trump scare mongers workers into thinking that Mexicans are stealing their wealth.

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While campaigning for the US Senate in 1971, he advocated for state control of Vermont public utilities in a manner that would direct surplus revenues towards social programs and the reduction of property taxes. In 1976, he called for the state seizure without compensation of Vermont's private electric companies in order to reduce the costs of their services to the consumer down to the level of governmentally run utilities.^[22] As chairman of the party in 1973, he wrote an editorial in opposition of Richard Nixon's energy policy. He called for nationalization of the entire energy sector.^[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

There that took about 15 seconds.

2. At least they're off the dole. They weren't making any gains at all whilst unemployed. Now they have a fighting chance.

Edited July 9, 2019 by OftenWrong

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

There that took about 15 seconds.

2. At least they're off the dole. They weren't making any gains at all whilst unemployed. Now they have a fighting chance.

Ok, now do 2019.

You have inadvertently shown that the left lost.

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, now do 2019.

Why? It's not useful to debate it further. And besides, it is off-topic, which as a former moderator you should know. But then, you did tend to enforce the rules rather whimsically. FYI from one poster to the next, We only do serious debating around here.

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You have inadvertently shown that the left lost.

I advertently showed that Bernie is a socialist, nothing new there I would think. Plus he is old, and white. He has about a snowflakes chance in hell. No, the dashing young little queer mayor has a much better chance, mainly because he is dashing and young, and a queer.

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Why? 

 

1. The left in 2019 is dead.  There is no push for redistribution of wealth.  Citing a policy from 43 years ago shows how much things have changed.

[GostHacked]

37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Why? It's not useful to debate it further. And besides, it is off-topic, which as a former moderator you should know. But then, you did tend to enforce the rules rather whimsically. FYI from one poster to the next, We only do serious debating around here.

I advertently showed that Bernie is a socialist, nothing new there I would think. Plus he is old, and white. He has about a snowflakes chance in hell. No, the dashing young little queer mayor has a much better chance, mainly because he is dashing and young, and a queer.

Socialism is alive in well in the USA.  Ask the banks how much they got back in 2008. And endless cash flow for wars benefiting the Military Industrial Complex contractors.

Don't ever tell me there is NO socialism in the USA.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The left in 2019 is dead.  There is no push for redistribution of wealth.  Citing a policy from 43 years ago shows how much things have changed.

Certainly, there is a push. Look at the new Dems in America under president Trump and what they are selling. But they are just proposing ideas. In practice, there is a push to improve wealth distribution within the US capitalist system, but not by giving handouts, but in terms of tax breaks and creating incentives to work. So not government mandated redistribution. Corporate tax breaks make a difference. The income level of workers has increased in AUPT, by giving raises. This is a different model than draining the workers who earn their income by increasing tax coffers, and giving handouts to a growing base of welfare recipients.

[OftenWrong]

13 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Don't ever tell me there is NO socialism in the USA.

Or else you'll do what?

[GostHacked]

19 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Or else you'll do what?

Interesting you 'liked' the post but yet ask this question?   And there is no 'or else'. 

[Michael Hardner]

36 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Certainly, there is a push.  

Hardly.  Even the most extreme proposals are tepolid compared to the 70s example you gave.  And those won't come to pass.

[OftenWrong]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Hardly.  Even the most extreme proposals are tepolid compared to the 70s example you gave.  And those won't come to pass.

No need for it to. The socialism of the tepolid's, presumably who are Russians, is not a part of the American experiment.

To paraphrase - It's the economy, stupid!    

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, GostHacked said:

True, and they all are doing it with war machines sold to them that were built in the good ol USA. 

So? 

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Canada sold Saudi Arabia some machine's and trust me, Canadians are not happy with the hypocrisy our government's stance is taking.

Is it worse to sell weapons to SA than it is to allow terrorists into our country? Doubt it.

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I wonder which ones our government loves more. The Shiite terrorists or the Shia terrorists?

Shia and shiite are the same thing. We say shiite, arabs say shia. You mean sunni.

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All the better reason to avoid another 'mishap'. Hopefully one would hope to learn from past mistakes. 

Impossible.

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

No that point has been quite adequately refuted by eyewitness and as reported by the media, inhumanity is clearly happening at the border and only an ass-hole would say otherwise.

There's no plan nothing can stop refugees from coming and nothing can prevent America from becoming even more inhumane in response.  Hence my comment, we haven't seen anything yet.  That it has come to this has all been quite obvious for years.

Your type is still every bit as completely oblivious.

You're full of crap. The inhumanity reported AOC was already debunked. She has no qualms about just lying her face off. CNN will never fact check her.

America's response hasn't been "inhumane". You're just playing this crap up to keep up with all of the other vacuous virtue signallers.

[GostHacked]

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So? 

The hell you mean 'so'.  You like selling military weapons to Saudi Arabia who will use them in incursions into other nations?  I'd rather not interpret this as you supporting terrorism.

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Is it worse to sell weapons to SA than it is to allow terrorists into our country? Doubt it.

Neither are acceptable. That's a false choice.

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Shia and shiite are the same thing. We say shiite, arabs say shia. You mean sunni.

Well good, at least you can understand the difference. It's a start.

56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Impossible.

You are right, the USA never learns from it's mistakes.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

The hell you mean 'so'.  You like selling military weapons to Saudi Arabia who will use them in incursions into other nations?  I'd rather not interpret this as you supporting terrorism.

Neither are acceptable. That's a false choice.

Well good, at least you can understand the difference. It's a start.

You are right, the USA never learns from it's mistakes.

Trump is trying to correct the immigration mistakes that the leftist liberal democrats have foisted on America. It would seem that our Canadian politicians will never learn anything either from their mistakes also. Why? Because the leftist liberal politicians that are running this country are leftist liberals and that says it all. Your prime mistake of Canada enjoys dealing with a communist country called China. Trudeau has no problem dealing with a communist dictatorship that puts innocent people into their gulags for daring to express an opinion that the communists do not like nor want to hear. You need to stop bashing Trump and start bashing your own dear commie leader. It was not all that long ago that the PM said that he admired China. Get the hint yet?  

[Hal 9000]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're full of crap. The inhumanity reported AOC was already debunked. She has no qualms about just lying her face off. CNN will never fact check her.

America's response hasn't been "inhumane". You're just playing this crap up to keep up with all of the other vacuous virtue signallers.

Listening to what AOC will say, how utterly dense she is, how confident she is in her beliefs and the amount of people either in love with her or in fear of her, I gotta admit, I think she is the the most dangerous person in the USA right now.

[DogOnPorch]

12 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said:

Listening to what AOC will say, how utterly dense she is, how confident she is in her beliefs and the amount of people either in love with her or in fear of her, I gotta admit, I think she is the the most dangerous person in the USA right now.

 

She's pretty free with everybody else's $$$$

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Neither are acceptable. That's a false choice.

Such an obvious response.  There's a low level of discussion coming from those who defend the indefensible.

 

[Zeitgeist]

23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Of course, but unlike the CBC, American news networks do not provide live coverage of your circus.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s good attention or bad to you, as long as it’s attention.  Generally Americans don’t look beyond their borders as much as Canadians or many other nations.  Might want to do more of it.  

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It doesn’t matter whether it’s good attention or bad to you, as long as it’s attention.  Generally Americans don’t look beyond their borders as much as Canadians or many other nations.  Might want to do more of it.  

 

I don't know why Canadians give America so much attention (compared to all other nations), but it is something that many Canadians and Canadian media routinely do.   Doesn't mean that Americans must/should reciprocate. 

There are more American nationals born outside of the U.S. than Canada's entire population.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're full of crap. The inhumanity reported AOC was already debunked. She has no qualms about just lying her face off. CNN will never fact check her.

America's response hasn't been "inhumane". You're just playing this crap up to keep up with all of the other vacuous virtue signallers.

Others are also using the term inhumane to describe conditions in America's refugee detention centers.

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Republican Congressman Will Hurd, whose district includes Clint, said “tragic conditions” playing out on the southern border were pushing government agencies, nonprofits and Texas communities to the limit.

“This latest development just further demonstrates the immediate need to reform asylum laws and provide supplemental funding to address the humanitarian crisis at our border,” he said.

 

 

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CATO Institute

Are CBP’s Filthy and Inhumane Immigrant Detention Camps Necessary?

 

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Associated Press

“Inhumane.” ″Shameful.” ″Intolerable.” ″Brutal.”

They're all just playing up too?

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

They're all just playing up too?

Did we not see a government lawyer saying they didn't have a right to basic cleanliness ?

 

[GostHacked]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

Trump is trying to correct the immigration mistakes that the leftist liberal democrats have foisted on America. It would seem that our Canadian politicians will never learn anything either from their mistakes also. Why? Because the leftist liberal politicians that are running this country are leftist liberals and that says it all. Your prime mistake of Canada enjoys dealing with a communist country called China. Trudeau has no problem dealing with a communist dictatorship that puts innocent people into their gulags for daring to express an opinion that the communists do not like nor want to hear. You need to stop bashing Trump and start bashing your own dear commie leader. It was not all that long ago that the PM said that he admired China. Get the hint yet?  

Maybe that leads to something else. Meaning all our leaders are in the same club, like Carlin said ,  we are not in it.

I don't like Trudeau, I don't like China, or Saudi Arabia.  Get the hint yet?  I also leave the Trudeau bashing for the Canadian politics threads.