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No kidding. Head of U.S. Federal Communications Commission wearing Trump's lapel pin just like Mao's lackeys during his rule in China. Sources: MSN Dean Blundell It always, every time begins with twisting the truth a little bit at a time, no one noticed, nobody cared and always ends up in this. And here's the remedy: zero tolerance, open season on maga lying. Every time we see it, in any place, connection and occasion we call maga's bull immediately and loud. Bring it into the spotlight. Laugh at it, despise it and ostracize it. Shove, push and kick it out from the normal society back into its brainlessly insane habitat. Don't let it take root and grow. Because every time, everywhere it ends up in the same thing, insane, stupid and dangerous. Zero tolerance on maga lying. Call maga bullsh*t every time at once. Nowhere should be safe for maga lies in the sane world.

I don't think panelists were turned off per se they simply pointed out rallies amount to little more than preaching to the choir. Rally goers are almost entirely made up of supporters. It's attracting that Poilievre seems to suck at.

Now that reeks of desperation. Lol

The global economy is being reordered by trump the same way the twin towers were reordered by the 9/11 hijackers. Even if we pretend Trump had some noble purpose (he doesn’t) and even if we pretend having a global economy was the problem (it isn’t) he is going about it the most reckless and incompetent way. The US economy is dependent upon the current system global trade and if you’re going to change that you have to do it in a thoughtful considered way in partnership with all the domestic and international stakeholders. Secondly while I appreciate that MAGAs are all now finally repeating all the left-wing talking points about the rich getting richer and the plight of the working class, I will remind you that it was republicans who have made their political career over decades declaring these concerns irrelevant. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back. Nobody wants to earn $10 a day as they do in the places where the jobs went and nobody wants to pay $600 for a toaster just to support middle class jobs for toaster makers. Factory jobs were never really good paying to begin with they were only better than alternatives in economically depressed areas where they tended to build factories just for that reason. And it was republican union-busting that helped ensure they remained low paying. Furthermore if manufacturing jobs DO come back they’re likely not going back to the rustbelt factory towns in the middle of nowhere where they used to be. Also a lot of those jobs didn’t go overseas they were replaced by automation or made redundant by consolidation after corporate mergers as companies grew by acquiring their competitors Lastly considering the cost to society (public and private costs ) of raising a person to working age in a first world country, having them perform the unskilled labour currently being done by “Chinese peasants” as Vance recently said is incredibly inefficient.

This video is an interview of a staffer from the "Biden" White House. She reveals that the three people in charge were called the Council of Presidents and that they ran the country for the majority (if not the entirety) of the Biden administration. They are: Mike Donilon Steve Ricchetti Anita Dunn She also confirmed that Hunter made a lot of the calls when Joe was sick with Covid and that he sat in on classified meetings.

Just another reason Canada is 62 billion dollars in debt. "Over 2015-2021, the Government of Canada delivered $2.65 billion in international climate finance to developing countries. Canada’s climate finance commitment prioritized climate change adaptation and mitigation efforts, the mobilization of private sector capital for climate action, and the provision of support to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) institutions and mechanisms." Canada’s $2.65 Billion International Climate Finance Commitment - Canada.ca However, this report doesn't say how much they gave from 2021 to 2025. Could be billions of dollars more. " Canada announces $450 million for the Green Climate Fund, the world’s largest dedicated climate change fund From: Environment and Climate Change Canada News release July 12, 2023 – Brussels, Belgium Today, ahead of the seventh Ministerial on Climate Action (MoCA7), the Honourable Steven Guilbeault, Minister of Environment and Climate Change, on behalf of the Honourable Harjit S. Sajjan, Minister of International Development and Minister responsible for the Pacific Economic Development Agency of Canada, announced a $450 million contribution to the second replenishment of the Green Climate Fund (GCF), the world’s largest dedicated climate change fund and a critical funding mechanism of the Paris Agreement. This contribution is a 50 percent increase from Canada’s 2019 pledge to the GCF’s first replenishment. This funding, which is a part of Canada’s $5.3 billion climate finance commitment, will directly support developing countries’ clean energy transitions and climate-resilient sustainable development as more extreme climate impacts are being felt around the globe. Through its contribution to the GCF, Canada is helping lead the clean energy transition and meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius climate target. Funding announced today could, for example, enable the advancement of clean and renewable energy projects in Indonesia and across the Southeast Asia region, aiding countries as they drive transition from coal-fired power. Helping achieve this transition is a key element of Canada’s support for the region as part of its Indo-Pacific Strategy. Following the adoption of the Kunming-Montréal Global Biodiversity Framework, Canada welcomes the GCF’s leadership in supporting developing countries’ actions to conserve, restore and protect nature and biodiversity. In 2022, Minister Guilbeault and Jennifer Morgan, German State Secretary and Special Envoy for International Climate Action, published the Climate Finance Delivery Plan Progress Report, which outlines the steps contributors are taking to meet the goal this year, and are continuing the dialogue with other countries to ensure their commitments are upheld. " Canada announces $450 million for the Green Climate Fund, the world’s largest dedicated climate change fund - Canada.ca Can we expect this kind of spending to continue if Carney wins? Yes, I think we can. The reason is because he was a key figure in the U.N. climate change war and other international organizations. He has been a committed fighter against climate change. This should make all the Greta Thunberg followers happy. They could care less about the economy and the damage to their country as long as they think everything is being put into the their war on climate change. Incidentally I don't believe man can control the climate and Canada's emissions are miniscule compared with China and the rest of the world.

Mulroney tried several remarkable policy things/changes: 1. Free trade with the US. 2. GST/VAT 3. Meech Lake, nw. 4. SO2 Environment market. 5. Aparthieid. === IMHO, the GST is the most remarkable Mulroney. ========== Harper, he got rid of the penny. ========== Trudeau Jnr, he legalised marijuana. ========== Chretien/Martin, they reduced spending.

Not putting a lot of faith in them is reasonable. Pretending they're meaningless is another. As a former statistician, I'm sure you can appreciate what a ~10 point lead means, and how hard that is to gap via polling variables. Not sure where this sort of comment leads us. Other than polls, which you've already said you don't much faith in, we don't actually have any objective information, so where does this thought lead us? Not a very useful point either, I would say. "Lots" of people still liked Trudeau, but when your net favorability is -25% and 60% of the population actively dislikes you, you have to hope they like the other guy even less. I think it Army Guy who said his pet hamster could beat Trudeau, and he was probably right. The problem is that the hamster might have been able to beat Poilievre too... 🤔

Comment from another website..... "This is not an election but a referendum on the IQ of the Canadian electorate..... Our village <censored> is the only one with 10 Liberal lawn signs bunging up his driveway".

Oh look, the little boy who's constantly crying about my post count being too high showed up to cry about my post account being too high As I've said a billion times, the fact that you take all day to enter a couple of posts because you type with two fingers does not mean everyone else does Sorry kiddo I've never imagined you to be a friend so it doesn't rule out my real ones Your problem is it takes you forever to be stupid and it takes me hardly any time at all to be smart. You think it actually takes longer to be smart but it really doesn't if you are actually smart. Stupid however drags on forever as you have proven so often what's 100 percent minus 50 again?

No, we're the ones treating everything you lie about is a lie . And I know that offends you, and your utterly shocked and amazed that everybody seems to notice that you're lying and points it out. And then you want to blame everyone else and it's their fault you're lying

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Cardy Leader Dominic Cardy...

Well I never understood the strategy, but I'm not really the target either. Regardless of how it appears to a CBC panelist, or to me (a conservative btw) I don't see how anyone can assert that it has the opposite effect unless they do some kind of survey. Even then, it would be difficult. "In a survey of potential voters who are undecided, x% indicated that the large rallies will make them definitely not vote CPC" That seems like a survey that would just produce a percentage of percentage of undecided about being undecided.

I'm sure those rallies turn off CBC panelists. Beyond that, I don't know how they can assert that with any confidence.

yet you respond. Hmm.. for not caring you have a funny way of showing that.

Exactly. It's all the same to you.

@robosmith Remember when you were talking about how Charlie Kirk was unfairly punching down on uneducated, uninformed liberals, so his forum format didn't actually constitute "debating"? This thread is a perfect example of what you should do when confronted with a topic that you either don't know a lot about, or where you actually have nothing to say in your own defence.... Just run like all the LPOC apologists in this forum are running from this thread. Carney is not a man of integrity at all. There's no defending him. So the lefties here just keep their traps shut. Got it? If you see Charlie Kirk, just run. Don't be a victim of info-bullying.

No, exactly as I described it. People can look at trump's economic policy right now and say it's not working and still like what he's doing about reducing government size, still like what he's doing about getting rid of the culture war nonsense, and still like some of the other things he's promised to do. So precisely as I said. Whereas you want to hate him no matter what he does. The man could cure cancer and you would still be "But but but but tariffs!!!!!!!!!!" I'm not so close-minded as you and I'm not fueled by bigotry and hatred. I can recognize that his economic policy with regards to tariffs is backfiring and going badly while still saying that other elements of his policies have merit even if I may take issue with some of the execution. There's no "except"

He thinks you're talking about the hardware store. You have to make it more simple for him

Not perspective but outright bias.

Same way you did. They are your words . Thanks for the peanuts.

Except as you describe it : Which is way more than 20% considering he’s barely been in office 2 months There are so many layers of negligence and incompetence here: Its not like he took a well- researched and widely supported policy but he just implemented it poorly Its not like he took a chance on an innovative, well researched but highly unconventional policy that made sense in theory but turned out to not work in practice It’s not like this failed policy was some inconsequential side project of his administration that had no real relevance to his administration or the economy 1) His economic theory was absolute gibberish made up in his own head and showed he lacks even a basic grasp of economic principles. And it was based on fake numbers that don’t even attempt to appear credible. The fact that his enablers in the White House and congress allowed him to implement this crazy scheme just shows how irresponsible US politics had become and it has destroyed what few shreds of credibility the increasingly dysfunctional United States had left 2) Not only is it absolutely insane that the entire global economy is being reordered based on the crazy idea of ONE MAN who knows nothing on the subject and is contradicting all accepted principles of economics, but on top of that this insanely terrible idea was implemented in an insanely terribly way with all the daily contradictory statements by White House officials and Trump contradicting himself as well as on-again-off-again tariffs and public infighting between officials It’s clearly just a chaotic madhouse over there nobody knows what’s going on or how anything works or even what their goal is Anyone who tried to do something similarly incoherent, irresponsible and incompetent at their work with majorly serious repercussions for their employer and business partners would be fired on the spot This is so shockingly negligent it’s practically grounds for impeachment So someone saying they disagree with his tariffs but still 80% like him is like saying they disagree with Hitler’s holocaust and wars but still 80% like him.

Why do you keep saying such stupid things? And you're a sucker for right wing lies and AI fakes.

Well let’s be honest they have given multiple contradictory explanations for the tariffs. Because they’ve also said countries can negotiate away their tariffs by dropping tariffs against US goods or making other unspecified “deals” with the Trump administration (ergo no need to relocate). Other times they said the tariffs were not negotiable and are intended to be a new permanent revenue source (which obviously wouldn’t apply if people relocate) Trump has said he wants to return to how things were in gilded age of the late 19th century but there weren’t any “good paying factory jobs” in those days or any “good paying jobs” at all. In fact back then people who performed paid labour instead of farming or being self-employed were considered deadbeats and at the bottom of society

Should we oppose trade with Americans, oppose the bully? Or kiss its ring, kowtow? ==== Myata, you strike me as the typical colonised person, a battered wife syndrome.

More or less. The Trudeau Jnr years have been too much social change.

It's just the stupidification of "conservative" politics - a veritable race to the bottom. After the Carney and Epstein story died out as the nothingburger it was, little PP has been flailing for a new angle. He needs that hot new slogan...People's Party Carney maybe? It can't be more than 3 words, otherwise his audience loses interest.

Yeah but he wasn't actually talking to you, he was chastising the voices in his head for not making a good argument. He forgets we can't hear them.

He just used them to make himself and his cronies a tidy bundle. "Tariffs will make us rich" Now we know who he means by us. Missed out on the first flip-flop did you? It's not like he didn't warn you. "THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY!!! DJT." He gave some 4 hours notice that something was up.

Like what? He said he was gonna use tariffs...and he used tariffs. Maybe he'll use them again too.

This video was just posted on Poilievre's Youtube channel this morning. Cut taxes and fees. Get government out of the way.

What a joke. 90 plus countries are not falling over themselves to cut deals, many of those countries will be scrambling to cut deals with china in fact, as Japan and S Korea are allegedly exploring. Once again Trump suspended his ridiculous tariffs after vowing not to…because his scam is failing miserably. The only one Trump is isolating is America. And he doesn’t understand that every time he flip-flops he just proves yet again he is unreliable, untrustworthy and erratic.

Well phrased cogent argument. Just what we've come to expect from you. Did I hit a nerve? Or are you just having a bad day, week, month, life? Better you should vent on me than your family, I guess.

Thanks for demonstrating you STILL KNOW NOTHING about real DEBATE. Kirk and his propaganda campaign is NOT DEBATE.

Exactly. Business might make some easy changes, but they certainly aren't going to make massive strategic decisions based on a mercurial lame duck president with a 2-year minimum shelf life and a 4 year maximum. (Assuming we still have elections.) They will wait out the chaos.

And for the Cons, couldn’t polls predicting a big loss keep some of them at home? I'm just waiting for the Cons to start saying "The system is rigged!"

The only poll that counts is the one you vote in. Poilievre is out of his league in this fight, he has never dealt with a crisis and has never held a job other than one of Politics. Carney has had many real jobs. He lead the Bank of England through Brexit. Poilievre says he will lower the deficit but in every promise he has made, the costs are more than the Liberal promises. So is he going to raise taxes or cut programs. You can't have it both ways. Get realistic.

You and I both know they're not going to be defunded. Or maybe it's because PeePee often doesn't answer questions but just spouts more slogans. The results make sense since journalists aren't allowed on the Con's plane. And Radio-Canada is not going to publish false results that someone else could easily call them out on. That's PeePee's modus operandi.

Just saw a report from Radio-Canada that sifted through all the data on the Leaders interactions with the Press. Poilievre has answered the fewest questions of the three party leaders. Wonder why?

How to decide who to vote for: Vote like I tell you. Such a well of wisdom. "Saviour of the Nation"

This is exactly what he did with Canada and Mexico. Threatens big tariffs says he won't back down. . . . then backs down. But only temporarily. So we'll be back at this again in a few months. It creates chaos and uncertainty. We can see that even though most Canadian exports are still tariff free, Canadians don't trust the US. The damage is done. This will repeat itself all over the world. Also the fight with China is rough. We often don't realize how much stuff we get from China. 100+% tariffs are going to sting.

sometimes I wonder if this is some strange buy low, sell high game. The stock market tanks and then he does something and now metrics go up. He then can tout his remarkably recovery.

So maybe all the tariffs on the US have served their purpose then... China, Japan, Korea, England, Germany, etc have all had 80 years to rebuild, and it's no longer fair to have tariffs set so high that American cars can never be sold in Europe and Japan, while their cars are all over the US.

Like Joey Smallwood, I Chose Canada. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=smallwood+i+chose+canada

Had a drinking buddy like you decades back. Never made any sense at all, but kept conversations going endlessly.