Conservative Leadership Race

[Queenmandy85]

Now that the leadership of Mr. Poilievre is coming to an end, we need to make some decisions for the Party. It is ironic that Pierre is experiencing the same slow erosion that Mr. Trudeau was expiencing a year ago. 

Mr. Poilievre has a 20 point support deficit against Prime Minister Carney, inspite of the Party tied in the polls with the grits. It is clear that Pierre and his Social Credit cult are dragging down the Party. Last winter, as soon as the Liberals removed Trudeau, Polievre's great lead in the polls dropped like a stone.  No body likes Pierre. Not his caucus, not members of other parties and not the voters. 

The Party has a choice. We can either replace Pierre with a pragmatic Progressive Conservative before the election, or wait until after we loose yet, another election. 

Edited November 7, 2025 by Queenmandy85

[I am Groot]

You liberals are so desperate to get rid of Poilievre that it makes conservatives more determined to keep him.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Now that the leadership of Mr. Poilievre is coming to an end, we need to make some decisions for the Party. It is ironic that Pierre is experiencing the same slow erosion that Mr. Trudeau was expiencing a year ago. 

Mr. Poilievre has a 20 point support deficit against Prime Minister Carney, inspite of the Party tied in the polls with the grits. It is clear that Pierre and his Social Credit cult are dragging down the Party. Last winter, as soon as the Liberals removed Trudeau, Polievre's great lead in the polls dropped like a stone.  No body likes Pierre. Not his caucus, not members of other parties and not the voters. 

The Party has a choice. We can either replace Pierre with a pragmatic Progressive Conservative before the election, or wait until after we loose yet, another election. 

Why are you frightened of Poilievre?

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

You liberals are so desperate to get rid of Poilievre that it makes conservatives more determined to keep him.

The more determined the Socreds are to keep Pierre, the more likely the grits will win the next election and get fifth term. A 20 point gap is a steep hill to climb. The fact that our Party is tied in the polls with the Liberals but the Pierre is so disliked,  indicates he is the problem. 

 

[Army Guy]

23 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The more determined the Socreds are to keep Pierre, the more likely the grits will win the next election and get fifth term. A 20 point gap is a steep hill to climb. The fact that our Party is tied in the polls with the Liberals but the Pierre is so disliked,  indicates he is the problem. 

 

I'll admit PP is not my favorite conservative, but he is all we have right now that could compete...Those that i would vote for are not interested in the job...My opinion is right now we need someone that has the leadership abilities to pull together the party, and develop support from out side parties. There is so much that is wrong with this country right, and we need someone that can be ruthless, but fair, in changing liberal policies that are holding back development in this country, repair our reputation amongst our allied, start fixing our federal and provincial departments getting our country back....

So who would replace PP...

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So who would replace PP...

I don't know if any of these ones want the job, but my top 3 picks are Larry Brock, Garnet Genuis and Michael Barrett. 

I wish Barrett was a bit more articulate, though.  He stumbles a bit too much when speaking.  And Genuis has a mitt load of kids, so may not be interested in the job.

Larry Brock is very articulate, was a former Crown prosecutor and is very level-headed.

Kelly Block rocks committee meetings, but she's a bit soft-spoken......maybe that's what we want, though, I dunno.  Definitely what Libs want - they absolutely DO NOT want any Conservative with the balls to call them out, though.

[Goddess]

Lib supporters, too.  They don't want a true opposition party.  They want the opposition to green light anything the Libs put forward.

[herbie]

On 11/7/2025 at 12:08 PM, Goddess said:

They want the opposition to green light anything the Libs put forward.

Or act like an Opposition and offer anything more than negativism, obstructionism and complaining.

[Barquentine]

On 11/7/2025 at 1:43 PM, I am Groot said:

it makes conservatives more determined to keep him

Suckers!

[Barquentine]

On 11/7/2025 at 3:56 PM, Army Guy said:

I'll admit PP is not my favorite conservative, but he is all we have right now that could compete.

That's sad, but he can't compete.

[SpankyMcFarland]

The evidence that he should modify his style is considerable but he continues to resist it. Trump has transformed what we expect from the leader of the opposition. In a time of unprecedented national crisis, Poilievre has to be more careful about partisan attacks on the government 

Edited November 10, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[ExFlyer]

On 11/7/2025 at 12:43 PM, I am Groot said:

You liberals are so desperate to get rid of Poilievre that it makes conservatives more determined to keep him.

The Liberals???

Seems his own party members are abandoning him.

While the party is holding it's own....PP Le Pew is falling like a rock to Canadians and his own party LOL

[ExFlyer]

On 11/7/2025 at 3:08 PM, Goddess said:

Lib supporters, too.  They don't want a true opposition party.  They want the opposition to green light anything the Libs put forward.

Actually, the Libs would like an efficient helpful opposition but with PP all they get is constant stream of whining and complaining...no help in making things better.

I have said numerous times, I wished Rona Ambrose stayed in politics and became the Conservative leader. She  would have won...hands down.

I abandoned the conservatives when PP became leader... I realized he was a problem way back when he was in Harpers cabinet.

Edited November 10, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I abandoned the conservatives when PP became leader... I realized he was a problem way back when he was in Harpers cabinet.

You weren't alone.  PP is a shrill little worm and has long been one of the least likeable members of Parliament, and that was the case 15 years ago and even more so today. 

[ExFlyer]

49 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

You weren't alone.  PP is a shrill little worm and has long been one of the least likeable members of Parliament, and that was the case 15 years ago and even more so today. 

Poilievere himself said politics should not b a career and here is is...24 years after he started , a career politician. 

He has no credibility and is a albatross over the necks of conservatives.

I am not and have never been a liberal but I could no longer be a conservative because of him.

 

[Queenmandy85]

The reports of CPC members barging into the office of a member contemplating crossing the floor and yelling at him, reminded me of a Liberal member who was planning to resign her seat for personal reasons and receiving a screaming phone call from Justin Trudeau, demanding she reconsider, and the call from the Clerk of the Privy Council to Jody Wilson-Raybould. No political party has a monopoly on disrespect and abuse.

A wise man taught me that when you take politics too seriously, you put democracy at risk. He spoke from personal experience.

[suds]

16 hours ago, herbie said:

Or act like an Opposition and offer anything more than negativism, obstructionism and complaining.

Interesting. So what does the term 'opposition' mean to you exactly? Poilievre is just doing his job by holding the government's feet to the fire on every issue and he's good at it. It keeps them honest. Too bad you don't like it, but this is how democracy works. I'd say he absolutely deserves a second chance. And it remains to be seen if Carney can deliver on everything he says he's going to do. The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

[herbie]

Well it appears someone thinks obstructionism and simplistic complaining is 'holding the govt accountable'.

Carney fails to prevent oncoming winter

[suds]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The reports of CPC members barging into the office of a member contemplating crossing the floor and yelling at him, reminded me of a Liberal member who was planning to resign her seat for personal reasons and receiving a screaming phone call from Justin Trudeau, demanding she reconsider, and the call from the Clerk of the Privy Council to Jody Wilson-Raybould. No political party has a monopoly on disrespect and abuse.

A wise man taught me that when you take politics too seriously, you put democracy at risk. He spoke from personal experience.

There's this idea going around that if one wants to leave the party one was elected under then they should be seated as an independent. Otherwise the optics look bad. It's why Jody Wilson-Raybould is a class act. 

[Politics1990]

On 11/7/2025 at 12:40 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Now that the leadership of Mr. Poilievre is coming to an end, we need to make some decisions for the Party. It is ironic that Pierre is experiencing the same slow erosion that Mr. Trudeau was expiencing a year ago. 

Mr. Poilievre has a 20 point support deficit against Prime Minister Carney, inspite of the Party tied in the polls with the grits. It is clear that Pierre and his Social Credit cult are dragging down the Party. Last winter, as soon as the Liberals removed Trudeau, Polievre's great lead in the polls dropped like a stone.  No body likes Pierre. Not his caucus, not members of other parties and not the voters. 

The Party has a choice. We can either replace Pierre with a pragmatic Progressive Conservative before the election, or wait until after we loose yet, another election. 

i mean  i dislike pp as much as anyone but come on hes not losing the  leadership in january lol

[suds]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well it appears someone thinks obstructionism and simplistic complaining is 'holding the govt accountable'.

Carney fails to prevent oncoming winter

It's not a rule carved in stone or anything, but it's pretty much how it works everywhere.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Trump has transformed what we expect from the leader of the opposition.

Trump has also reinforced why everyone should be wary of any politician who equates being in opposition to subjugation, especially so when payback enters the picture.

Its plain as day what happens to hard-boiled partisans when they do.

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, suds said:

There's this idea going around that if one wants to leave the party one was elected under then they should be seated as an independent. Otherwise the optics look bad. It's why Jody Wilson-Raybould is a class act. 

Whatever happened to the idea that backbenchers should be free to speak their minds and vote accordingly without issue?

I'd like to see more of this sort of opposition in Parliament.

AI Overview 

In the early 1900s, only about 20% of elected Members of Parliament (MPs) voted with their party 100% of the time.

Between 1972 and 1979, the government suffered 65 defeats, many of which were due to backbench dissent.

In the past decade, MPs have voted against their party less than 1% of the time. 

[Legato]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Whatever happened to the idea that backbenchers should be free to speak their minds and vote accordingly without issue?

I'd like to see more of this sort of opposition in Parliament.

AI Overview 

In the early 1900s, only about 20% of elected Members of Parliament (MPs) voted with their party 100% of the time.

Between 1972 and 1979, the government suffered 65 defeats, many of which were due to backbench dissent.

In the past decade, MPs have voted against their party less than 1% of the time. 

Whip

[suds]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Whatever happened to the idea that backbenchers should be free to speak their minds and vote accordingly without issue?

I'd like to see more of this sort of opposition in Parliament.

So would I, but the world isn't perfect, and our political system isn't perfect either. It would be nice to see a parliament full of independents. But with the party system, if one wishes to run for office and then if elected be able to speak their minds and vote accordingly every time..... then run as an independent. Except you're chances of winning are slim.