Conservative Leadership Race

[Shady]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's an electric car parked in my driveway that's plugged into my house.

How do you explain that?

It really depends on how the electricity is being generated.  Is it by fossil fuels, nuclear, or other?  Regardless, it doesn’t discount the fact that in general terms, fossil fuels cannot be replaced yet.  

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's an electric car parked in my driveway that's plugged into my house.

 

And as we've gone over a million times that suits a portion of the country, maybe 25 % of the market? But it's absolutely not any replacement for ice engines for the majority of people and the sales kind of show us.

Just not practical. The day will come but that day is not today

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

It really depends on how the electricity is being generated.  Is it by fossil fuels, nuclear, or other?

Hydro.

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Regardless, it doesn’t discount the fact that in general terms, fossil fuels cannot be replaced yet.

People shouldn't say something can't be done to people that are in in fact doing it. Not if they want to be taken seriously.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And as we've gone over a million times that suits a portion of the country, maybe 25 % of the market? But it's absolutely not any replacement for ice engines for the majority of people and the sales kind of show us.

Just not practical. The day will come but that day is not today

Like I said people who say something can't be done, especially a million times, to people that are in fact doing it are daft.

Meanwhile...

Concerns over running out of battery power during trips is among the major deterrents for buyers. But battery ranges have significantly expanded, with EVs tested in cold weather boasting an average driving range of 300 kilometres on a single charge. That’s sufficient to meet the weekly work commute for 90% of Canadians.

https://www.rbc.com/en/thought-leadership/climate-action-institute/canadian-ev-adoption-bracing-for-impact/

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like I said people who say something can't be done, especially a million times, to people that are in fact doing it are daft.

Like I said, people who lie about what other people said and try and argue with that are dim-witted little liberal supporters  

Can you show me anywhere that anyone said anything was impossible? No? Interesting that you would bring it up then.

The reality is that ice engines are not a good fit for more than about 25 to 30% of the population and the sales show it. That's not about something being possible or impossible that's just the way it is.

As I have said and as many have proven to you despite your dishonesty we are not there yet. That day will come, I do believe that, but we are not there yet

I'm pretending that we are when we aren't in order to virtue signal is very left-wing, but it's very childish

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Like I said, people who lie about what other people said and try and argue with that are dim-witted

Yes, you've done that at least a couple million times around here now...

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Yes, you've done that at least a couple million times around here now...

Said it you mean, yes. You give me plenty of opportunity.l

Your entire psychological and mental outlook in life is based around the concept of lying. You lie about what people said. You lie about what you said. You are dishonest about virtually every Factor figure you bring forward. Your whole life is basically a lie and honestly that makes you a terrible person

I honestly don't understand how somebody can live their life like that. You just go from one self delusion to another.

[cannuck]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

..... carbon taxes still remain amongst the leading drivers of reductions in the world and are integral to every serious plan to continue reducing emissions in the future. Notwithstanding economic collapses of course.

My money says economic collapses will be the most effective drivers in the end - which could be any day now according to you so...

You are somewhat right that TAXATION can and does reduce industrial activity, but it is policy/law/regulation/enforcement that should be and mostly are what drives "reduction" - but in an environmental sense reduction of the wrong thing.  As I have explained many times the world does NOT have a carbon emission problem, it has a carbon dioxide absorption problem.  This id due to poisoning the waters from chemicals used in agriculture and industry - especially plastics (and the resultant micro plastics that now infect the entire food chain.   Jumping onto the enviro-ignorant anti-carbon bandwagon not only exacerbates the problem, it now encodes it by embedding carbon taxation into the economics of business.  What many don't seem to realize is the real purpose for carbon credits (from the same quiver of arrows ignorant regulators try to shoot at carbon) exist is for the finance world to have yet another synthetic instrument to trade.  This is a double whammy since not only does it screw up the physical marketplace where hydrocarbons are essential, it adds a 100% inflationary load by yet another mega-trillion dollar wealth redistribution scam.

On you second point, I unfortunately must agree.  The economic collapse should have come in 2008, but after learning how to infiltrate and embed finance into government instead of being punished for their treachery as they were following 1929 they rewarded themselves with "too big to fail",   Not sustainable because it has inflated the money supplies of world economies (to facilitate re-distribution by speculative gain - that creates NO wealth).

Sadly, our problems related to these issues are now deeply entrenched in Ottawa - since what we have elected as PM is someone apprenticed to Goldman Sucks and groomed to perpetuate finance's exploitation of policy and enforcement.  To fix this, governments around the world need conservative leaders and back rooms who are NOT related to finance.  Leading such a party with a petulant child with no experience in business and no record of any significant accomplishments is not only avoiding the problem it is perpetuating it.

[blackbird]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's an electric car parked in my driveway that's plugged into my house.

How do you explain that?

I am speaking about the whole world in general.

I met a guy the other day that bought a hybrid car but it cost him $78,000.  That is one huge pile of money.  Plus he bought a ten year warranty to protect his hybrid from battery or engine failures, etc.  That would have cost thousands of dollars on top of the $78,000.  So it was probably well into the 80 thousands.  That was only a car.   You can get a good gas car for a fraction of that price.

The truth is the average person can't afford to spend that kind of money to buy an EV.  They are much more expensive than gas vehicles.  Sure you saw somebody that owned one.  But most of the world is struggling to keep a roof over their head and feed their family.  That's the real world.  

So the hundreds of millions of people in the world can't afford to go out and buy an EV.   In addition there are millions of trucks, ships, and aircraft that are used for commercial work and industry.  These use gas or oil to run and can't be replaced by EVs easily or economically.  The world runs on oil for all kinds of things.  That will be the case for decades to come.  We don't live in an imaginary world.  We have to be practical.  How do you explain that?

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, cannuck said:

You are somewhat right that TAXATION can and does reduce industrial activity, but it is policy/law/regulation/enforcement that should be and mostly are what drives "reduction" - but in an environmental sense reduction of the wrong thing.  As I have explained many times the world does NOT have a carbon emission problem, it has a carbon dioxide absorption problem.  This id due to poisoning the waters from chemicals used in agriculture and industry - especially plastics (and the resultant micro plastics that now infect the entire food chain.   Jumping onto the enviro-ignorant anti-carbon bandwagon not only exacerbates the problem, it now encodes it by embedding carbon taxation into the economics of business.  What many don't seem to realize is the real purpose for carbon credits (from the same quiver of arrows ignorant regulators try to shoot at carbon) exist is for the finance world to have yet another synthetic instrument to trade.  This is a double whammy since not only does it screw up the physical marketplace where hydrocarbons are essential, it adds a 100% inflationary load by yet another mega-trillion dollar wealth redistribution scam.

On you second point, I unfortunately must agree.  The economic collapse should have come in 2008, but after learning how to infiltrate and embed finance into government instead of being punished for their treachery as they were following 1929 they rewarded themselves with "too big to fail",   Not sustainable because it has inflated the money supplies of world economies (to facilitate re-distribution by speculative gain - that creates NO wealth).

Sadly, our problems related to these issues are now deeply entrenched in Ottawa - since what we have elected as PM is someone apprenticed to Goldman Sucks and groomed to perpetuate finance's exploitation of policy and enforcement.  To fix this, governments around the world need conservative leaders and back rooms who are NOT related to finance.  Leading such a party with a petulant child with no experience in business and no record of any significant accomplishments is not only avoiding the problem it is perpetuating it.

Notice Eyeball only makes nonsensical one or two sentence comments.  He is not a deep thinker at all.   He can only recite the enviro lefty one liners that he believes are absolute truth.   Or he just uses the one liners to troll on here.  I  doubt he is really engaged in serious discussion of anything and probably doesn't really read your comments.  Much like EX Flyboy who only knows how to post red down arrows all the time.

Edited November 13, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's an electric car parked in my driveway that's plugged into my house.

How do you explain that?

You bought an EV.  So.

[Legato]

5 hours ago, cannuck said:

You are somewhat right that TAXATION can and does reduce industrial activity, but it is policy/law/regulation/enforcement that should be and mostly are what drives "reduction" - but in an environmental sense reduction of the wrong thing.  As I have explained many times the world does NOT have a carbon emission problem, it has a carbon dioxide absorption problem.  This id due to poisoning the waters from chemicals used in agriculture and industry - especially plastics (and the resultant micro plastics that now infect the entire food chain.   Jumping onto the enviro-ignorant anti-carbon bandwagon not only exacerbates the problem, it now encodes it by embedding carbon taxation into the economics of business.  What many don't seem to realize is the real purpose for carbon credits (from the same quiver of arrows ignorant regulators try to shoot at carbon) exist is for the finance world to have yet another synthetic instrument to trade.  This is a double whammy since not only does it screw up the physical marketplace where hydrocarbons are essential, it adds a 100% inflationary load by yet another mega-trillion dollar wealth redistribution scam.

On you second point, I unfortunately must agree.  The economic collapse should have come in 2008, but after learning how to infiltrate and embed finance into government instead of being punished for their treachery as they were following 1929 they rewarded themselves with "too big to fail",   Not sustainable because it has inflated the money supplies of world economies (to facilitate re-distribution by speculative gain - that creates NO wealth).

Sadly, our problems related to these issues are now deeply entrenched in Ottawa - since what we have elected as PM is someone apprenticed to Goldman Sucks and groomed to perpetuate finance's exploitation of policy and enforcement.  To fix this, governments around the world need conservative leaders and back rooms who are NOT related to finance.  Leading such a party with a petulant child with no experience in business and no record of any significant accomplishments is not only avoiding the problem it is perpetuating it.

The voluntary carbon offset market has been experiencing a significant downturn, with falling transaction volumes and prices reaching a six-year low in 2024. This crash is due to widespread concerns about the credibility and effectiveness of many carbon credits, which critics argue often overpromise and underdeliver. Issues include credits that don't represent real emission reductions, poor project quality, and a lack of standardization, though efforts are underway to improve market integrity and focus on high-quality projects. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

We don't live in an imaginary world.  We have to be practical.  How do you explain that?

With science as opposed to an imaginary person.

 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You are somewhat right that TAXATION can and does reduce industrial activity, but it is policy/law/regulation/enforcement that should be and mostly are what drives "reduction"

Carbon taxes are the preferred way of reducing emissions because they deliberately avoid the need for what you're talking about policy/law/regulation/enforcement etc. It's an entirely market based solution that leaves choices in the hands of consumers while ensuring the biggest emitters of CO2 are who pay the most tax. You choose where and how to best reduce your emissions and your costs.

Anything else requires bureaucrats and politicians to pick winners and impositions that are political as opposed to market based.

Edited November 13, 2025 by eyeball

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You bought an EV.  So.

To simply point out you're incorrect to say there is no replacement for fossil fuels.

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Notice Eyeball only makes nonsensical one or two sentence comments.

That's all it usually takes to counter your long winded rambling posts filled with excuses for doing nothing.

Like I've said before this would be a lot easier if you were just honest about the fact you really don't give a shit about our CO2 emissions and climate change.

 

[ExFlyer]

[ExFlyer]

 

Canada’s Pierre Poilievre Should Step Aside

https://time.com/7310749/canada-poilievre-conservatives-byelection/

 

The Angus Reid Institute’s Poilievre monitor finds the Conservative leader’s unfavorability numbers persistently high. Going back to the fall of 2022, over 50% of those surveyed disliked Poilievre. That number never got better than 49%, and now sits at 57%. His numbers are particularly dismal among women and younger voters, but even among the 55+ age bracket that traditionally votes Conservative, Poilievre manages just 39% approval.

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's just plain wrong.

And carbon taxes still remain amongst the leading drivers of reductions in the world and are integral to every serious plan to continue reducing emissions in the future. Notwithstanding economic collapses of course.

Mm, yeah, and they will help bring about economic collapse in the West, and shift more manufacturing, wealth and power to the Chinese. 

What you and the other climate change types simply will not accept is that all this sacrifice and effort will accomplish essentially nothing. You are not going to stop CO2 rising. You are not going to stop global warming. All you're going to do is bankrupt us so that we won't have the ability to deal with the results.

15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is the point. Using petroleum and coal as fuel is a waste when we have the Saudi Arabia of uranium in western Canada. We could be building reactors around the world and supplying them with uranium. 

They don't want your uranium or your reactors, thanks. They prefer coal. It's cheaper.

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

With science as opposed to an imaginary person.

 

Carbon taxes are the preferred way of reducing emissions because they deliberately avoid the need for what you're talking about policy/law/regulation/enforcement etc. It's an entirely market based solution that leaves choices in the hands of consumers while ensuring the biggest emitters of CO2 are who pay the most tax. You choose where and how to best reduce your emissions and your costs.

Anything else requires bureaucrats and politicians to pick winners and impositions that are political as opposed to market based.

That's not me you quoted. 

You are obsessed with your heathenism.

 

[I am Groot]

On 11/10/2025 at 11:20 AM, Moonbox said:

You weren't alone.  PP is a shrill little worm and has long been one of the least likeable members of Parliament, and that was the case 15 years ago and even more so today. 

And yet he got more votes than the likeable O'Toole.

[blackbird]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

To simply point out you're incorrect to say there is no replacement for fossil fuels.

That's all it usually takes to counter your long winded rambling posts filled with excuses for doing nothing.

Like I've said before this would be a lot easier if you were just honest about the fact you really don't give a shit about our CO2 emissions and climate change.

 

I am honest.  I don't believe in the man-made climate change scam.

There is no viable replacement for fossil fuels.  You still don't understand the real world.

Edited November 13, 2025 by blackbird

[I am Groot]

On 11/12/2025 at 8:38 AM, ExFlyer said:

Nope, that is where you are very wrong. I have never voted Liberal till PP became the leader of the Complainatives. I even voted for the previous 3 leaders but PP just turned my stomach with his constant complaining and whining and false accusations.

So you have two leaders.

One say that Canada's economy is in the dumper because of bad government laws and regulations, and that the government is overspending and mispending. Almost all his complaints are about that.

Then you have the guy who says Canada is a genocidal non-nation on stolen land that is racist to the core, and every single institution is systemically racist.

And you hate the first guy because he's too negative and vote for the second guy.

🙄

 

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So you have two leaders.

One say that Canada's economy is in the dumper because of bad government laws and regulations, and that the government is overspending and mispending. Almost all his complaints are about that.

Then you have the guy who says Canada is a genocidal non-nation on stolen land that is racist to the core, and every single institution is systemically racist.

And you hate the first guy because he's too negative and vote for the second guy.

🙄

 

Who the H are you talking about??? LOL

[I am Groot]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Who the H are you talking about??? LOL

You and your friend Trudeau.

[ExFlyer]

12 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And yet he got more votes than the likeable O'Toole.

That has go to say a lot about the Conservative party as a whole though....

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

You and your friend Trudeau.

Trudeau?? Who is that?? He is long gone. You drinking PP's kool aid LOL

Edited November 13, 2025 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trudeau?? Who is that?? He is long gone.

But we still have to deal with the aftermath, and all the same people who implemented and are continuing, his wackadoodle policies and drunken sailor spending.

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The reality is that ice engines are not a good fit for more than about 25 to 30% of the population

My grandmother's condo strata will not allow battery vehicles in the complex's parkade, due to explosion fears.