Michael Hardner Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: The system has safeguards such as the justice system, defence lawyers, evidence, and a jury that requires a unanimous verdict. Wrongful conviction is a well known problem. And your misuse of scripture is noted once again. Go to a death row vigil, you'll find some real Christians there. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted October 16, 2025 Author Report Posted October 16, 2025 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Wrongful conviction is a well known problem. It happens occasionally, but the justice system could be written in law in a way to make that an extremely unlikely event. The point is by not doing this you are allowing someone like the mass murderer of six people, grandparents, parents, and the two young girls, to escape the punishment due. Now here he is applying for parole every few years and putting the relatives through a long period of stress, grief and a requirement to fight against his parole. You also never mentioned that having no capital punishment means there may be far more murders taking place than if there was that deterrent. Are you saying it is better to let a lot of murders of innocent people to happen to avoid the remote possibility a person being incorrectly executed? How is that reasonable? Six people were murdered in the example. One of the main purposes of capital punishment is to save lives. That is mentioned in the article on Genesis 9:6 I posted, yet you say it is a misinterpretation. Nonsense. It is absolutely correct. Capital punishment is a major deterrent. It could save many lives of innocent people. 18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: And your misuse of scripture is noted once again. In what way did I misuse scripture? Genesis 9:6 is very clear. Capital punishment for murder. 18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Go to a death row vigil, you'll find some real Christians there. How would you know what a real Christian is when you reject the Bible. Edited October 16, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Army Guy Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 18 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: Gee, I wonder if a government has ever corrupted the concept of a fair trial and used capital punishment as a political weapon before? many times... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 20 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: So-called conservatives: The government has too much control over our lives and is corrupted by derp state political prosecutions and COVID overreach! Also so-called conservatives: The government should have the power to kill us! You seem to think because the government does not kill citizens on a regular basis it does not happen...What about soldiers, or enemies declared by the state, in the late 90's the military still had the death penalty listed in approved punishments. Where does the authority come from when police or other organizations have to shot a criminal....So deadly force has been authorized by the government , they do have the power to kill Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Chrissy1979 Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You seem to think because the government does not kill citizens on a regular basis it does not happen...What about soldiers, or enemies declared by the state, in the late 90's the military still had the death penalty listed in approved punishments. Where does the authority come from when police or other organizations have to shot a criminal....So deadly force has been authorized by the government , they do have the power to kill Okay. You want to expand that government power? Quote
Shady Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 15 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You seem to think because the government does not kill citizens on a regular basis it does not happen...What about soldiers, or enemies declared by the state, in the late 90's the military still had the death penalty listed in approved punishments. Where does the authority come from when police or other organizations have to shot a criminal....So deadly force has been authorized by the government , they do have the power to kill Libtard logic. Killing innocent people through MAID is ok, killing murderers is not. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 6 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said: Okay. You want to expand that government power? I'll start with the war on terror, Canadian military forces were given kill or capture orders for many high ranking terrorist...Not many wanted to be taken alive....All rules of engagement are authorized by the sitting government...During my tours in Afghanistan not once did i have to get permission to take a life as long as i could prove it was in accordance with the rules of engagement...we were not at war, we were invited by the ruling Afghanistan government and given pretty much free reign Go back to WWI, Military police regular shot those soldiers in the back of the head if soldiers did not exit the trenches when told to do so, So much so they start call MP 's meat heads...the lucky ones got a trial.... Also see conscription riots in Quebec Quote the soldiers were ordered to fire on the crowds, immediately dispersing them. Though the actual number of civilian casualties is debated, official reports from that day name five men killed by gunfire; dozens more were injured. Among the soldiers are 32 recorded injuries that day, but no deaths. Monday, April 1, marked the end of the Easter Riots, which totalled over 150 casualties and $300,000 in damag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_soldiers_executed_for_military_offences WWII we progress to at least giving soldier a trail, albit a short one if found guilty of being a coward or any other infraction the Commanding officer could order said soldier to be shot.... https://quillandquire.com/review/a-keen-soldier-the-execution-of-world-war-two-private-harold-joseph-pringle/ It was not until the 90's that the Canadian military took the death sentence of the punishment options.... During the OKA crises and the final assault Canadian soldiers were authorized to use deadly force on any threat deemed life threatening...It is only by some miracle that no lives were lost on both sides.. Our government has given our police forces the ability to use deadly force on whomever presents a threat to their lives... And the last example is our government has authorized our medical establishment to offer MAID to any citizen that wants it.. Which now kills over 16,000 Canadians a year... So the government has the power to order person killed, and has used those powers on a regular basis...another recent example was a JTF member recording the longest sniper kill in history, and multiply kills with one bullet, in Syria.... Just because it does not get reported , does not mean it is not happening... If the military had been ordered to clear Ottawa during the trucker convoy it would have been a SH!t show, with any amount of outcomes possible Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 40 minutes ago, Shady said: Libtard logic. Killing innocent people through MAID is ok, killing murderers is not. You're actually think a terminal cancer patient choosing MAID and a convicted criminal sentenced to death are the same - seriously? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Chrissy1979 Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 46 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I'll start with the war on terror, Canadian military forces were given kill or capture orders for many high ranking terrorist...Not many wanted to be taken alive....All rules of engagement are authorized by the sitting government...During my tours in Afghanistan not once did i have to get permission to take a life as long as i could prove it was in accordance with the rules of engagement...we were not at war, we were invited by the ruling Afghanistan government and given pretty much free reign Go back to WWI, Military police regular shot those soldiers in the back of the head if soldiers did not exit the trenches when told to do so, So much so they start call MP 's meat heads...the lucky ones got a trial.... Also see conscription riots in Quebec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_soldiers_executed_for_military_offences WWII we progress to at least giving soldier a trail, albit a short one if found guilty of being a coward or any other infraction the Commanding officer could order said soldier to be shot.... https://quillandquire.com/review/a-keen-soldier-the-execution-of-world-war-two-private-harold-joseph-pringle/ It was not until the 90's that the Canadian military took the death sentence of the punishment options.... During the OKA crises and the final assault Canadian soldiers were authorized to use deadly force on any threat deemed life threatening...It is only by some miracle that no lives were lost on both sides.. Our government has given our police forces the ability to use deadly force on whomever presents a threat to their lives... And the last example is our government has authorized our medical establishment to offer MAID to any citizen that wants it.. Which now kills over 16,000 Canadians a year... So the government has the power to order person killed, and has used those powers on a regular basis...another recent example was a JTF member recording the longest sniper kill in history, and multiply kills with one bullet, in Syria.... Just because it does not get reported , does not mean it is not happening... If the military had been ordered to clear Ottawa during the trucker convoy it would have been a SH!t show, with any amount of outcomes possible That’s a lot of words that completely avoided answering my simple question. Do you want to expand the state’s power to kill its citizens? 1 Quote
herbie Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 3 hours ago, blackbird said: I was talking about higher level dealers, that sell in larger quantities, not some street dealer that sells a tiny amount. Maybe we should just murder them on the high seas and not even produce any evidence too? Obviously I know where Singapore is. The place where people like you enjoy inflicting Biblical punishments like canings for spitting gum on the sidewalk. Quote
Gaétan Posted October 16, 2025 Report Posted October 16, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, blackbird said: The Devil would love your understanding of the Bible. Jesus did not mean the state should turn a blind eye to murderers. Jesus was talking about individual forgiveness of those that offend you, not letting criminals off for their crimes. You don't have much of a clue what the Bible means. Those who offend you are the ones who commit a crime against you. Jesus said that the law of retaliation has no place because it comes from the devil. If you seek your place in the Kingdom, be merciful, as your Father is merciful. Luke 6:36 : "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Edited October 17, 2025 by Gaétan Quote
taxme Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 On 10/15/2025 at 8:32 AM, blackbird said: Canada is the largest supplier of meth to New Zealand and it is costing lives. It is put in the beer and young men who drank it have died. One man who took one mouthful of the beer, had complete organ failure and died a week later. The sentences in Canada are very small for this crime. It should be capital punishment. It could be done with the assistance of MAID. Thousands of people every year in Canada are choosing to take MAID for various reasons. So what is problem with giving capital punishment to a relatively small number who are killing people with their drug dealing? This may be the only way that they will think twice and stop dealing in it. MAID seems like the best solution for these people. A significant number of people in Campbell River, BC are dying from illegal drugs. This also is another example of the failed justice system. People are dying unnecessarily. One reason is the relatively light sentences for drug dealing. There is no serious deterrent. We need to change the system and start saving lives. News report Campbell River has experienced a significant spike in suspected drug overdose deaths, with at least 11 fatalities reported in the past five weeks, raising serious public health concerns. Recent Statistics and Concerns The RCMP in Campbell River has issued a public safety warning following a sharp increase in suspected drug-overdose deaths. At least 11 people have died in just five weeks, prompting authorities to urge drug users and their families to take extra precautions. The Greater Campbell River Local Health Area has one of the highest rates of unregulated drug deaths in British Columbia, with a rate of 109 deaths per 100,000 population in 2024, more than double the overall rate for Island Health. Warning issued as suspected drug deaths jump in Campbell River - Victoria Times Colonist Canada should do what Singapore has been doing for decades. If someone is caught bringing in illegal drugs into Singapore, they get the death penalty by hanging. It does not always stop some fools from trying, but if they caught they know the rules and it is game over for them and their bringing in anymore illegal drugs. Works for me. 😁 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: So then why do you want to give leftists the power to kill you? Because I think that the threshold for getting someone the death penalty is pretty hard to fake. It's not given out for 3rd degree murder suspects where there are no witnesses and circumstantial evidence. The FBI used their top agents for 3 years and they coerced false testimony from people who were convicted of unrelated charges, and they still couldn't frame Trump for collusion. Honestly, the LPOC already came within a whisker of bringing back the concentration camps, and that was a much more sinister threat than anything posed by "death penalty for ultra-criminals". Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 5 hours ago, blackbird said: The Devil would love your understanding of the Bible. Jesus did not mean the state should turn a blind eye to murderers. Jesus was talking about individual forgiveness of those that offend you, not letting criminals off for their crimes. You don't have much of a clue what the Bible means. Yabut he also said obey your government. So when Caesar says no death penalty...no means no. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Shady Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 2 hours ago, eyeball said: You're actually think a terminal cancer patient choosing MAID and a convicted criminal sentenced to death are the same - seriously? I didn’t say that. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Wrongful conviction is a well known problem. And your misuse of scripture is noted once again. Go to a death row vigil, you'll find some real Christians there. Stop pretending that death sentences are handed out whimsically, and on flimsy evidence. We had Clifford Olson in prison for 30 years before he finally died. He had 6 special RCMP guards assigned to him at any given moment, that whole time. 2 on shift, every second of every day. He cost taxpayers a fortune, and he sat in prison taunting his victims' families. It's a joke. the RCMP caught drug dealers in Kamloops with kilos of fentanyl, pill-presses, oxy, etc, etc, and the drugs they had were enough to result in hundreds of street deaths. They knew that they were pushing death. But they just got a bit of jailtime. F that. Line them up and I will run them over with a paver, a bulldozer, or a dumptruck. I will make a TV show out of it. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
WestCanMan Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 1 hour ago, Gaétan said: Those who offend you are the ones who commit a crime against you. Jesus said that the law of retaliation has no place because it comes from the devil. If you seek your place in the Kingdom, be merciful, as your Father is merciful. Luke 6:36 : "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Don't call it retaliation, because it's not. Call it "facing the consequences for your evil & murderous actions." You celebrated the deaths of children in Israel, did you mourn the deaths of some drug dealers in a speedboat? Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 15 minutes ago, Shady said: I didn’t say that. I asked if you think that. I'm not surprised you would say it more adroitly when pressed to explain your logic more fully. That's not a compliment by the way. You expressed your feelings pretty honestly back in day when you said COVID was just a flu killing old farts. Maybe the ridiculousness of that taught you a lesson in adroitness. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Gaétan Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You celebrated the deaths of children in Israel, did you mourn the deaths of some drug dealers in a speedboat? It's not I who celebrate people's deaths, but those who have died. Death is a pleasure and a joy,, a wedding according to Jesus Quote
blackbird Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Yabut he also said obey your government. So when Caesar says no death penalty...no means no. You don't understand what we're talking about do you. Of course there is no death penalty if the government has not legalized it. We all know that. That doesn't mean we can't advocate for it. Or do you think nobody should mention it? Edited October 17, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Army Guy Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: That’s a lot of words that completely avoided answering my simple question. Do you want to expand the state’s power to kill its citizens? The government already has "all" the power to kill when it needs to.... Me, no i don't want to give the government any more power than it already has, i don't trust them period, but regardless of what i think They have it already..........but i think I've illustrated the government can pretty kill what ever it wants, when it wants under various excuses......BTW Canada has already allowed x 9 inmates access to maid...So it has already happened 3 times now...the lids off and the genie is out of the bottle.... If Veterans affairs can offer it to soldiers with mental health issues, why would their be an uproar for inmates to be offered... or are Inmates more valuable than soldiers ?... do you think it would be a huge leap.....for the government to really expand MAID to all prisoners ? Canadians seem ok with killing over 16,000 regular law abiding citizens every year...and some of those that have been approved are pretty lame excuses.....one lady was approved because she could not find an apartment to, live in because of her hyper allergies...we have already lost the moral high ground here... https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/maid-in-prison-nine-inmates-have-used-canadas-assisted-death-program/ Edited October 17, 2025 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 2 hours ago, herbie said: Maybe we should just murder them on the high seas and not even produce any evidence too? Obviously I know where Singapore is. The place where people like you enjoy inflicting Biblical punishments like canings for spitting gum on the sidewalk. Is it murder ? Can you murder terrorists ? has anyone in the US military been charged with murder to date, has Trump faced any allegations for murder for giving the orders. So this is just you chirping.....You do know that Canada is involved in the war on terror right....ever hear of them putting any terrorist on trial, they are either very good, and not been caught or very bad and have not caught any terrorist....or did you think Carney is to good for these under the table deals...i know Justin was all in... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Gaétan Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 1 hour ago, blackbird said: You don't understand what we're talking about do you. Of course there is no death penalty if the government has not legalized it. We all know that. That doesn't mean we can't advocate for it. Or do you think nobody should mention it? I quoted several passages from the Gospels that prove you're mistaken, and you haven't provided anything. Quote
blackbird Posted October 17, 2025 Author Report Posted October 17, 2025 13 minutes ago, Gaétan said: I quoted several passages from the Gospels that prove you're mistaken, and you haven't provided anything. Read Genesis 9:6 and Romans ch13. Quote
eyeball Posted October 17, 2025 Report Posted October 17, 2025 1 hour ago, blackbird said: You don't understand what we're talking about do you. Sure I do. You simply can't abide my positions. Trust me that feeling is mutual. I view religion, especially yours, as a psychotic delusion that is a threat to our society's well being and I don't want it influencing or guiding our government or any of its institutions in any way shape or form whatsoever. We might as well be adding LSD to the public's water systems. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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