Bring back capital punishment with help from MAID.

[blackbird]

Canada is the largest supplier of meth to New Zealand and it is costing lives.  It is put in the beer and young men who drank it have died.  One man who took one mouthful of the beer, had complete organ failure and died a week later.

The sentences in Canada are very small for this crime.  It should be capital punishment.  It could be done with the assistance of MAID.  Thousands of people every year in Canada are choosing to take MAID for various reasons.  So what is problem with giving capital punishment to a relatively small number who are killing people with their drug dealing?  This may be the only way that they will think twice and stop dealing in it.  MAID seems like the best solution for these people.

A significant number of people in Campbell River, BC are dying from illegal drugs.  This also is another example of the failed justice system.  People are dying unnecessarily.  One reason is the relatively light sentences for drug dealing.  There is no serious deterrent.  We need to change the system and start saving lives.

News report

Campbell River has experienced a significant spike in suspected drug overdose deaths, with at  least 11 fatalities reported in the past five weeks, raising serious public health concerns.

Recent Statistics and Concerns

The RCMP in Campbell River has issued a public safety warning following a sharp increase in suspected drug-overdose deaths. At least 11 people have died in just five weeks, prompting authorities to urge  drug users and their families to take extra precautions. 

The Greater Campbell River Local Health Area has one of the highest rates of unregulated drug deaths in British Columbia, with a rate of 109 deaths per 100,000 population in 2024, more than double the overall rate for Island Health. 

Warning issued as suspected drug deaths jump in Campbell River - Victoria Times Colonist

 

Edited October 15, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Canada is the largest supplier of meth to New Zealand and it is costing lives.  It is put in the beer and young men who drank it have died.  One man who took one mouthful of the beer, had complete organ failure and died a week later.

The sentences in Canada are very small for this crime.  It should be capital punishment.  It could be done with the assistance of MAID.  Thousands of people every year in Canada are choosing to take MAID for various reasons.  So what is problem with giving capital punishment to a relatively small number who are killing people with their drug dealing?  This may be the only way that they will think twice and stop dealing in it.  MAID seems like the best solution for these people.

A significant number of people in Campbell River, BC are dying from illegal drugs.  This also is another example of the failed justice system.  People are dying unnecessarily.  One reason is the relatively light sentences for drug dealing.  There is no serious deterrent.  We need to change the system and start saving lives.

You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’” — Matthew 5:21, ESV

Those who believe murder is permissible are not allowed to enter Heaven—even if they have not yet committed it themselves. Do not rely on anyone blindly—place your faith in Jesus Christ

Edited October 15, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’” — Matthew 5:21, ESV

Do you understand that applies to the criminals who break the law and commit murder?

You sound like you have it backwards.  

The state has the right to execute murderers.  When the state carries out capital punishment for murder, that is not murder.  That is justice.

"6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:6 KJV

Everyone is subject to the authorities.  Those who break the law and murder other people are subject to the law and justice system and that could include capital punishment.  When the state executes a criminal as punishment for murder, that is not murder.

"1  Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. {ordained: or, ordered} 2  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5  Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6  For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. "  Romans 13:1-6 KJV

Edited October 15, 2025 by blackbird

[WestCanMan]

MAID, shmaid. Line up for me and I will run them over with a truck. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’” — Matthew 5:21, ESV

Those who believe murder is permissible are not allowed to enter Heaven—even if they have not yet committed it themselves. Do not rely on anyone blindly—place your faith in Jesus Christ

Capital punishment is not murder. It is justice. This should be for repeat violent offenders in order to save future victims and innocent lives. A repeat violent offender must be eliminated to save his innocent victims. Our parole system is shit and our justice system too lenient. But if you are more concerned about saving the life of a subhuman violent offender than a teenage innocent girl who will be his future victim then go ahead and campaign against capital punishment.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’” — Matthew 5:21, ESV

Those who believe murder is permissible are not allowed to enter Heaven—even if they have not yet committed it themselves. Do not rely on anyone blindly—place your faith in Jesus Christ

How can you be a Hamas supporter and believe all that? 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

The state has the right to execute murderers.  When the state carries out capital punishment for murder, that is not murder.  That is justice.

"6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:6 KJV

Everyone is subject to the authorities.  Those who break the law and murder other people are subject to the law and justice system and that could include capital punishment.  When the state executes a criminal as punishment for murder, that is not murder.

Yeah but, you're taking it a step further and saying Canada should use the death penalty because God commands it.

Make that the reason for the law and when it's challenged in court you'll need to prove God exists - or you certainly should be required to prove it. Failing that what you or God wants is immaterial - even She is subject to the authorities at the end of the day.

[Shady]

7 hours ago, Gaétan said:

You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’” — Matthew 5:21, ESV

Those who believe murder is permissible are not allowed to enter Heaven—even if they have not yet committed it themselves. Do not rely on anyone blindly—place your faith in Jesus Christ

I’m not religious.  Don’t care.

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yeah but, you're taking it a step further and saying Canada should use the death penalty because God commands it.

Make that the reason for the law and when it's challenged in court you'll need to prove God exists - or you certainly should be required to prove it. Failing that what you or God wants is immaterial - even She is subject to the authorities at the end of the day.

True.  God should be left out of it.

[Chrissy1979]

So-called conservatives: The government has too much control over our lives and is corrupted by derp state political prosecutions and COVID overreach! 
 

Also so-called conservatives: The government should have the power to kill us!
 

 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Shady said:

True.  God should be left out of it.

Sounds good in theory but don't forget the supremacy of God thingy in our Constitution and crucifix in our Parliament.

If you're not with it you're against it these days.

Blackbird is oblivious to how close to his view of the world the sensibilities underlying our system of government and even justice already cleave.

Something that conveniently dovetails with conservative sensibilities.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yeah but, you're taking it a step further and saying Canada should use the death penalty because God commands it.

Make that the reason for the law and when it's challenged in court you'll need to prove God exists - or you certainly should be required to prove it. Failing that what you or God wants is immaterial - even She is subject to the authorities at the end of the day.

Nonsense.  Nobody needs to prove anything.  Just pass a law and start eliminating all the drug dealers and murderers.  Problem solved.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

The government should have the power to kill us!

Nothing to do with conservatives other than some of them would support capital punishment for murderers.  Elected members who do not support that are not acting for the public's safety.

Government already brought in MAID which is killing tens of thousands of people per year.

If you are law abiding, government won't bother you.   Capital punishment would only be for those who have been fairly tried and convicted of murder and drug dealing over a certain quantity.

If you don't do those crimes, government would not have the power to kill you.  You are imagining things.

Only the justice system would have that power.

[Chrissy1979]

Gee, I wonder if a government has ever corrupted the concept of a fair trial and used capital punishment as a political weapon before?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Gee, I wonder if a government has ever corrupted the concept of a fair trial and used capital punishment as a political weapon before?

Ask the liberals who are in control of a failed justice system that is lenient on murderers and drug dealers.  Ask the relatives of all the drug addicts who lost their lives whether they think the justice system is working.

[Chrissy1979]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

Ask the liberals who are in control of a failed justice system that is lenient on murderers and drug dealers.  Ask the relatives of all the drug addicts who lost their lives whether they think the justice system is working.

That’s a different question thsn whether you want to give the state the ultimate power to kill its citizens. There are lots of ways to improve the justice system without submitting to full government control over whether you live or die.

[Venandi]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you are law abiding, government won't bother you. 

Oh my goodness... what a trusting soul you are.

While I admire your faith in government, nothing in my experience (including 32 years in the military) gives me the slightest reason to share it.

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you don't do those crimes, government would not have the power to kill you.  You are imagining things.

I don't trust the government to fill potholes in front of the house much less refine a demonstrably failed justice system to the point where it could be trusted with a tool like capital punishment.  

On 10/15/2025 at 12:32 PM, blackbird said:

A significant number of people in Campbell River, BC are dying from illegal drugs.  This also is another example of the failed justice system.  People are dying unnecessarily. 

After reinforcing my point, you then suggest that more people should die because of a failed justice system that is already killing people unnecessarily. 

4 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

There are lots of ways to improve the justice system without submitting to full government control over whether you live or die.

Oh no... I find myself in full agreement with Chrissy.

Do you really like what you currently see within the justice system enough to trust it as the arbiter of life and death? Do you think the police are on your side when they knock at the door and ask to come in? Would you submit to a voluntary search because you have nothing to hide?

That's what you're actually doing by letting them in. Personally, I would only talk to them on the deck. 

During a traffic stop, do you think the question "do you know why I pulled you over?" is an invitation to have a friendly chat about moving violations? Next time turn the question around and when they say "I saw you cross the yellow line twice between here and Macdonal's offer to play the last dash cam segment back for them and watch for micro expressions as you do it.  

Everyday stuff like this could fill a 50 page thread.

If you think I'm over reacting I'd urge you to take a look at the plight of some people who actually defended themselves against home invaders or thugs on the street. Lot's of stuff online about it and it invariably takes me back to the pothole analogy. 

Can you name one justice policy initiative in the last 10 years that qualifies as a demonstrable success for the government and Canadian justice at large? I'm not saying there isn't one... only that I can't think of it.

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by Venandi

[Gaétan]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Do you understand that applies to the criminals who break the law and commit murder?

You sound like you have it backwards.  

The state has the right to execute murderers.  When the state carries out capital punishment for murder, that is not murder.  That is justice.

 

Jesus’ teachings make no distinction between killing a criminal or not; in my view, a murder committed when the person cannot defend themselves—such as a prisoner—is even more serious than when someone is able to. Your reading of the Gospels is mistaken, and you need to question what has been put into your head. Justice means treating others as you wish to be treated. The one who commits a criminal act judges himself and will bear the consequences after his life if he doesn't repent. You must not intervene to judge and condemn others, because in doing so, you condemn yourself. You are commanded to love your neighbor as yourself, and since you do not wish to be condemned, you cannot condemn others. It is not your place to judge and condemn others—Jesus always said that.

Edited October 16, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus’ teachings make no distinction between killing a criminal or not; in my view, a murder committed when the person cannot defend themselves—such as a prisoner—is even more serious than when someone is able to. Your reading of the Gospels is mistaken, and you need to question what has been put into your head. Justice means treating others as you wish to be treated. The one who commits a criminal act judges himself and will bear the consequences after his life if he doesn't repent. You must not intervene to judge and condemn others, because in doing so, you condemn yourself. You are commanded to love your neighbor as yourself, and since you do not wish to be condemned, you cannot condemn others. It is not your place to judge and condemn others—Jesus always said that.

You don't believe in a justice system.  Just let criminals go.  Nothing new from you.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

Oh my goodness... what a trusting soul you are.

While I admire your faith in government, nothing in my experience (including 32 years in the military) gives me the slightest reason to share it.

I don't trust the government to fill potholes in front of the house much less refine a demonstrably failed justice system to the point where it could be trusted with a tool like capital punishment.  

After reinforcing my point, you then suggest that more people should die because of a failed justice system that is already killing people unnecessarily. 

Oh no... I find myself in full agreement with Chrissy.

Do you really like what you currently see within the justice system enough to trust it as the arbiter of life and death? Do you think the police are on your side when they knock at the door and ask to come in? Would you submit to a voluntary search because you have nothing to hide?

That's what you're actually doing by letting them in. Personally, I would only talk to them on the deck. 

During a traffic stop, do you think the question "do you know why I pulled you over?" is an invitation to have a friendly chat about moving violations? Next time turn the question around and when they say "I saw you cross the yellow line twice between here and Macdonal's offer to play the last dash cam segment back for them and watch for micro expressions as you do it.  

Everyday stuff like this could fill a 50 page thread.

If you think I'm over reacting I'd urge you to take a look at the plight of some people who actually defended themselves against home invaders or thugs on the street. Lot's of stuff online about it and it invariably takes me back to the pothole analogy. 

Can you name one thing, one policy initiative in the last 10 years that clearly qualifies as a demonstrable success for the government? I'm not saying there isn't one... only that I can't think of it.

 

Yes, I know the justice system is far from perfect.  But if you boil down what you just said, it means we should have no justice system because you don't trust the authorities or government at all.  That makes no sense at all.   We must have a justice system and it must be as good as possible.  
That is why we have juries that have to be unanimous in their decisions on guilt of the accused.  There is also the appeal process where a person found guilty can appeal his sentence if his lawyer believes there are reasonable grounds.

You seem to be hung up on capital punishment for murderers.  Yet you are ok with the repeated killing of innocent people and just letting murderers get relatively light sentences and parole.  Often they are released on bail and go out and attack other innocent people.  People have been stabbed to death by offenders on bail.  There have been mass killings by people on parole such as the one on the Cree Nation a few years ago. You seem ok with allowing that kind of system to continue.  

You seem to be very unbalanced on the criminal's rights side.   You can't just continue to let thousands of people die from drugs while giving drug dealers light sentences.  Then you worry about a few of these killers being given capital punishment that might save countless lives.   That is a huge problem.  You are overly obsessed with the authorities charging the wrong person.  But that is why we have a justice system where every charge must be proven in court and be unanimous by a jury.  That is the only way we have a hope of reducing the number of killings of innocent people who don't deserve to die.   Murderers deserve capital punishment.   That is the bottom line.

Edited October 16, 2025 by blackbird

[Venandi]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

Your reading of the Gospels is mistaken,

And also irrelevant in a secular society.

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Just pass a law and start eliminating all the drug dealers and murderers.  Problem solved.

We might already have a few of them.

And like those potholes in the road, start with enforcing the laws we already have before escalating to extremes in order to compensate for abject failure at a level that could only be defined as routine.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by Venandi

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Venandi said:

And also irrelevant in a secular society.

We might already have a few of them.

And like those potholes in the road, start with enforcing the laws we already have before escalating to extremes in order to compensate for abject failure at level that could only be defined as routine.

 

 

You answered so fast I doubt you even really read what I posted above.

The fact is capital punishment is the only way to eliminate serious dangerous killers from society and keep the public safe.  Look at the history of attacks and murders from people let out on parole or bail.  The public has a right to feel safe.  They don't now.

[Venandi]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

...it means we should have no justice system because you don't trust the authorities or government at all.

Maybe you could quote the section where I said that...

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That makes no sense at all.

Well, ya got that part right.

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

People have been stabbed to death by offenders on bail.  You seem ok with allowing that kind of system to continue.  

Show me that quote too. 

 

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You seem to be very unbalanced on the criminal's rights side. 

And that... Starting to get the idea?

We have laws about this stuff already. If you were advocating for stricter enforcement and a return to common sense bail conditions I'd be all for it. But, if you're looking to repair a system that has been deliberately rendered pi$$ weak by the very government you now trust to exercise judgement with capital punishment then forget it.

 

[Venandi]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The fact is capital punishment is the only way to eliminate serious dangerous killers from society and keep the public safe. 

No it's not and the fact that you think it is bespeaks a problem with discretion and common sense.

Until I trust you to fill the damn potholes you can expect no delegation of authority for any measure with life and death consequences that demands discretion, integrity and common sense.

In other words, you don't get the keys to the airplane until I trust you. That said, I think you would make a fine Library Officer.  

 

Edited October 16, 2025 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Venandi said:

1. No it's not and the fact that you think it is bespeaks a problem with discretion and common sense.

 

1. Yes exactly. You can ask the poster how murder rates have been declining over time without capital punishment. 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rossella-Selmini/publication/276597069/figure/fig2/AS:668989134999579@1536510847770/Canadian-homicide-rates-per-100-000-population-male-and-female-1974-2012-Source.ppm

In any case, their statement is hyperbolic, which leads me to ask..

What are postures on here Willing to give up to improve the justice system?

 

Pay more taxes? Allow social workers to decide sentences and work with people individually to rehabilitate? How about monitoring of all citizens? 

If you're concerned about crime, are you willing to have yourself and all others you monitored 24/7 to eliminate crime? 

 

I find that people with easy answers are unfamiliar with complexity, generally.

Edited October 16, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You don't believe in a justice system.  Just let criminals go.  Nothing new from you.

Justice is not the responsibility of others but yours, It is every individual's responsibility to act justly, and if you condemn others, you're doing exactly the opposite. Hypocrites wanted to stone the adulterous woman, but their own sins didn’t count. and I'm not saying we should let criminals go free—but rather rehabilitate them by offering alternatives to crime.

Edited October 16, 2025 by Gaétan