Carney Invites Project 2025 Mastermind to speak to Liberal Cabinet

[Legato]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

PP also threatened to take funding away from cities that didn't build homes as fast as he wanted.

Make Canada Great Again!!

 

Cmon you are not usually that shallow.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yes, and give more funding to cities that meet building obligations.  It's called incentivization.  I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's a housing crisis going on in Canada, that the Liberal government has been unable to fix for a decade.  So Pierre addressing this crisis in a completely logical way is taking Trump's playbook?  Bwaaahaaaahaaaaha!  Too funny!

I get it though, Pierre is annoying.  People don't like his personality.  Grow the f**k up already people, there are real problems to solve.

@Moonlight Graham is a liberal.  He is going to hate ANY idea that a conservative makes (unless it's stolen by a liberal first) 

The liberals have used this kind of idea many times in the past with provinces for everything from healthcare spending to infrastructure projects but the moment that the conservatives talk about something like this it's evil and wrong

The hypocrisy levels are insane

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

)Edit:  You mean like Trudeau threatened to take away funding to provinces if they didn't do what he wanted on health care policy?)  Trump playbook!  Trump playbook!  LOL

Yes, and give more funding to cities that meet building obligations.  It's called incentivization.  I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's a housing crisis going on in Canada, that the Liberal government has been unable to fix for a decade.  So Pierre addressing this crisis in a completely logical way is taking Trump's playbook?  Bwaaahaaaahaaaaha!  Too funny!

Sorry please explain what Trudeau did with health care, with a link if possible?

Putting certain conditions on funding for a program before its agreed to is different than bullying them by threatening to take away some random separate funding that already exists if they don't do something else you want done.

Politicians aren't touching the housing demand issues like unfettered speculation.  PP and the rest of them all have their own investment properties they don't want touched.

[herbie]

You know that is stupid to look at some other country, person or party's policy, see an idea or method that is better and simply reject it because you don't like them.

Like everyone else in the world's "socialized medicine" as the most obvious example.
And the common gripe how the Liberals always 'steal' ideas if it buys votes.

Edited September 4, 2025 by herbie

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

In order to defeat your opponent you must understand them.

In that case, Carney would be meeting with us... but he doesn't have to.

They just grab all of our metadata, spy through our phones, access all of our phone/text/email messages, our bank records, our online shopping, etc. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

It's utterly pathetic that someone should even be able to use that as a slogan, and have it make sense.

Most people should be able to look at that and say "That's what our gov't is already doing, duhhhhh", but the easiest promise for a Canadian politician to keep right now is "I will be more pro-Canadian than the last pile of snakes".

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Fair enough, I think the American interest is keeping out future rival in the Americas North and South. So definitely worth a king’s ransom if you Canucks can bargain a deal. 

Economic union is the only plausible answer I can think of because Canadians won’t go for 51st state and the Yanks probably wouldn’t want to deal with the domestic complexities of Canada, especially Quebec.  A union with free movement of goods, services and labour between the two countries is a good start.  Over time reduce duplication as much as possible.  

[PIK]

6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Why would PP need to bring in the Project 2025 guy in order to understand how Trump thinks when PP is already copying Trump's political playbook?  "Derrr I'm gonna take away funding from Canadian cities that don't build more houses, deerrrr...Canada First!"

PP spent 10 years up Harper's arse and is busy digging his own Mar-a-Lago between Trump's butt cheeks.

Agenda 21. The liberals have their own plan. The global elite are running this country now. Not Canadians. 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's utterly pathetic that someone should even be able to use that as a slogan, and have it make sense.

Most people should be able to look at that and say "That's what our gov't is already doing, duhhhhh", but the easiest promise for a Canadian politician to keep right now is "I will be more pro-Canadian than the last pile of snakes".

Nobody should disagree with the sentiment behind "Canada First".   But you don't copy the slogan of an authoritarian gangster who has threatened to annex the country.

Meanwhile, the Liberal Party are a bunch of submissive cowards for failing to defend our culture, history, and security and national interests so migrants coming here can feel more "included".  You'll be welcomed here if you make some efforts to integrate into the team.  If I moved to India or China etc i'd bend to whatever they wanted or leave, it's their turf.  But in Canada ISIS fighters are welcomed back, Omar Khadr is flying on planes, and foreign agents are allowed to influence our politics.   But "a Canadian is a Canadian".

The Liberals are only willing to defend the country against foreign interests if they're rightwingers they hate, and roll over and show their bellies to everyone else.  Stop trying to not offend anyone and do what's right.

[Shady]

Pierre once again comes out first and on the correct side of the issue.  Now BC Premier Eby supports Pierre’s idea.

This is what Canada first looks like.  Grow the f**k up and get over your snowflake feelings over his personality.

[paxamericana]

53 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Economic union is the only plausible answer I can think of because Canadians won’t go for 51st state and the Yanks probably wouldn’t want to deal with the domestic complexities of Canada, especially Quebec.  A union with free movement of goods, services and labour between the two countries is a good start.  Over time reduce duplication as much as possible.  

At the moment, it’s much easier to digest Alberta and Saskatchewan politically. The economic case for the rest of Canada to be frank is none existent. However, the security bone is very tantalizingly for American security establishment.

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Agenda 21. The liberals have their own plan. The global elite are running this country now. Not Canadians. 

Davos is running Canada. It’s not Ottawa. These financial elite run their countries like an investment portfolio, its tragic how many fail to see that.

“While banks have been careful not to contradict the president directly and provoke his ire, two industry sources cited regulations under the former President Joe Biden's administration that forced them to weigh reputational risks as the reason lenders have dropped clients or avoided others. The sources declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.” https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/us-lenders-weighed-reputation-rules-not-politics-closing-accounts-sources-say-2025-08-07/

Edited September 5, 2025 by paxamericana

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

These financial elite run their countries like an investment portfolio, its tragic how many fail to see that.

I was likening it them using countries in a shell game to move their wealth around and keep it a step or two ahead of taxation.

Tragic? LMAO! I suppose, back in the day I was cancelled as an anti-capitalist commie for expressing this sort of sentiment.

Yeah, right-wingers are so woke these days - it's tragic alright.

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Nobody should disagree with the sentiment behind "Canada First".   But you don't copy the slogan of an authoritarian gangster who has threatened to annex the country.

 

Trump doesn't get to 'own' slogangs. 

Did you know that "make america great again' has also been used many times in the past?

Political slogans are what they are. You say you agree with it but you cry about him using it.  Get a grip

Inviting the author of 2025 to your caucus meeting is a hell of a lot more 'trumpian' than using a slogan that's been used by leaders all over the globe 

[BeaverFever]

On 9/3/2025 at 5:38 PM, CdnFox said:

So,  trump says he loves carney.

False 

On 9/3/2025 at 5:38 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney gives trump everything he wants 

False 

On 9/3/2025 at 5:38 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney takes our own tariffs off

Not all of them just the same ones Trump already took off. Don’t omit the facts

On 9/3/2025 at 5:38 PM, CdnFox said:

And now Carney invites the mastermind behind trump's infamous project 2025 to speak to his cabinet

For the purpose of insights on Trump’s agenda. Which I will admit is pointless since Trump is unstable and not a rational actor 
 

And he’s been disinvited now. 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

False 

true, he was quite specific about it and that he thinks he's a great guy.  Lying won't change that 

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False 

True.  Name something trump has demanded he do that he said 'no' to,

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Not all of them just the same ones Trump already took off. Don’t omit the facts

Nope.  For example trump has a 50 percent tariff on steel and we put ours at 25.  Claiming he's "matching trump" is a lie.

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For the purpose of insights on Trump’s agenda. Which I will admit is pointless since Trump is unstable and not a rational actor 

So, name another time when the liberals invited an opponent to give a talk to their cabinet.  Ever. In our history.

Never happened and never would. What you're saying is beyond ridiculous and nobody EVER does that. 

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And he’s been disinvited now. 

False. He backed out, the prime minister did NOT 'disinvite' him. 

It's pretty bad when the author of 2025 doesn't want to be associated with your political party because he doesn't want to look bad   

Edited September 5, 2025 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, paxamericana said:

At the moment, it’s much easier to digest Alberta and Saskatchewan politically. The economic case for the rest of Canada to be frank is none existent. However, the security bone is very tantalizingly for American security establishment.

All of the Canadian provinces have good resources & agriculture, and Que and Ont have decent population centers for industry, just like the rust belt.

The only part of Canada that's a bit of a drain economically is basically 54.40 and north, but that region comes with claims to arctic oil and shipping lanes.

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's pretty bad when the author of 2025 doesn't want to be associated with your political party because he doesn't want to look bad   

Next thing you know the leaders of Hamas and islamic state will be refusing to visit the PMO. 

[Shady]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Inviting the author of 2025 to your caucus meeting is a hell of a lot more 'trumpian' than using a slogan that's been used by leaders all over the globe 

Can you imagine if Pierre invited the author of project 2025?  @Moonlight Graham would've lost his mind!

[paxamericana]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

arctic oil and shipping lanes.

Projects like these would need to be developed and require massive amount of capital investment. Capital that Canada cannot generate because if it were possible it would have already been done. The bigger issue is the retiree population relative to working age. That would add roughly 1.5-2 trillion to the already ballooning US government spending. As much as we like our Northern Cousin, the math is still math, it's going to be a hard sell. 

Approximately 7.6 million Canadians were aged 65 and older on July 1, 2023, accounting for almost one-fifth (18.9%) of the total population. By 2030, seniors could represent from 21.4% to 23.4% of the total population. 

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, paxamericana said:

Projects like these would need to be developed and require massive amount of capital investment. Capital that Canada cannot generate because if it were possible it would have already been done. The bigger issue is the retiree population relative to working age. That would add roughly 1.5-2 trillion to the already ballooning US government spending. As much as we like our Northern Cousin, the math is still math, it's going to be a hard sell. 

Approximately 7.6 million Canadians were aged 65 and older on July 1, 2023, accounting for almost one-fifth (18.9%) of the total population. By 2030, seniors could represent from 21.4% to 23.4% of the total population. 

Dude, I don't give a shit about joining the US. 

If you want us to put in an application you can go F yourself. 

Personally, I just think that western Canada should separate from the east, and that doesn't mean that we should join the US. 

[paxamericana]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you want us to put in an application you can go F yourself. 

Not sure if America would even want the application to be frank. The math does not work out well to have have 8/10 provinces forming what amounts to be our poorest state Mississippi. 

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

western Canada should separate from the east, and that doesn't mean that we should join the US. 

This is an even less viable path, as that would require creating a new currency and coastal access to trade internationally with the wider world. The BC'er would just tax the prairie provinces to death to use their ports. Or get American currency and no tax and sea access to both ocean for free. Western Canada would be better off just paying Ottawa then forming a independent country if it didn't join the US.

Edited September 5, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Not sure if America would even want the application to be frank. The math does not work out well to have have 8/10 provinces forming what amounts to be our poorest state Mississippi. 

This is an even less viable path, as that would require creating a new currency and coastal access to trade internationally with the wider world. The BC'er would just tax the prairie provinces to death to use their ports. Or get American currency and no tax and sea access to both ocean for free. Western Canada would be better off just paying Ottawa then forming a independent country if it didn't join the US.

You've spent your entire time here demanding that america wants exactly that. 

We've spent your entire time here explaining that we don't want to be part of your dumpster fire  

So there you go

[paxamericana]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You've spent your entire time here demanding that america wants exactly that. 

What I want is long term prosperity and security for both people, 51st would achieve that. However, current economic reality exists. Asking Americans to pay for Canadian retirement benefits is not a simple issue that can be fixed by legislation. 
 

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We've spent your entire time here explaining that we don't want to be part of your dumpster fire

Economic reality exists for Canada too. Asking the 4 million Albertan to pay for 10 million retirees is not sustainable. 
The recent mass immigration has bought Canada time while creating other problems.

Edited September 5, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

What I want is long term prosperity and security for both people, 51st would achieve that. However, current economic reality exists. Asking Americans to pay for Canadian retirement benefits is not a simple issue that can be fixed by legislation. 

Great! Then go away  

 

 

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Economic reality exists for Canada too. Asking the 4 million Albertan to pay for 10 million retirees is not sustainable. 

Nobody asked them that. 

And in fact alberta has the least problems in that respect. Their elderly tend to go to places that are warmer, and those places have to pay for their medical care. ALberta is one of the 'youngest' provinces in the federation. 

 

[paxamericana]

39 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody asked them that. 

Alberta pays 75billion into the equalization payment system of your confederation. They will never get back more than they put in.