Carney Invites Project 2025 Mastermind to speak to Liberal Cabinet

[Zeitgeist]

19 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

So the effect of automation means that the higher value add is not done by human labor but rather by technology. So whoever owns said tech get a larger share of the revenue pie. This leads to income inequality. A problem that Trump wants to address by taxes and unions. Both presenting their own problems as you alluded to below.

Longterm I tend to agree with your assessment but shorter term say midterm, it might be alright. The thing to pay attention to is legislation that gets passed. Everything else is just noise.

My worry is that we’re all tinkering at the edges trying to fix a major structural problem related to a shift into AI, automation, an increasing debt due to shrinking revenue streams and growing government services costs related to the boomers retiring and potentially rising unemployment.

It’s no good to simply let the tech companies squander all the money for their shareholders and managers.  Basically governments will have to buy up these companies or at least up to 49% of them in order to distribute the profits to the population as universal basic income and to have revenue to pay for benefits and services.

If this isn’t done right, we could end up replacing the middle class with a government dependent lower class and a small wealthy elite that looks a bit like Hunger Games meets Brazil.

Edited September 10, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

36 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Hunger Games meets Brazil.

The Brave new world is already here. For the first time in human history we have global mass retirement with fewer kids in the succeeding generation. We have created our own extinction. I don’t want to overly preach about faith but it’s intellectually unavoidable.
 

This is what happens when the “system” (social,economic,political) prioritizes hedonic individualism over meaningful responsibility like raising children. We taught three generations of women in our society to value working at a high end degree job over being a mother. We placated men’s natural ambitions with cheap drugs and pornography. Yeah we might have gotten really fast growth selling each other cheap thrills but look where that got us. If a society doesn’t prioritize raising and teaching the next generation its core values then that society will inevitably collapse. We’re all now laying in the bed we made.
 

The worse part is that we taught our young to avoid responsibility, not teaching them that the path to true happiness is embracing that voluntary burden of their cross. This was a gift from our forebears that we so haphazardly failed to pass along to our own children.

Edited September 10, 2025 by paxamericana

[Zeitgeist]

41 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

The Brave new world is already here. For the first time in human history we have global mass retirement with fewer kids in the succeeding generation. We have created our own extinction. I don’t want to overly preach about faith but it’s intellectually unavoidable.
 

This is what happens when the “system” (social,economic,political) prioritizes hedonic individualism over meaningful responsibility like raising children. We taught three generations of women in our society to value working at a high end degree job over being a mother. We placated men’s natural ambitions with cheap drugs and pornography. Yeah we might have gotten really fast growth selling each other cheap thrills but look where that got us. If a society doesn’t prioritize raising and teaching the next generation its core values then that society will inevitably collapse. We’re all now laying in the bed we made.
 

The worse part is that we taught our young to avoid responsibility, not teaching them that the path to true happiness is embracing that voluntary burden of their cross. This was a gift from our forebears that we so haphazardly failed to pass along to our own children.

I agree.  I think Western society has followed a pied piper over the edge of a cliff of suicide, abortion, birth control, porn, LGBTQ lifestyles, and various forms of soma/drugs. Canadians are being taught to be ashamed of one of the most harmonious, welcoming, and advanced countries that ever existed.  It’s mass cultural and real suicide.  Of course the Muslims and natives aren’t following that piper. They’re having kids and protecting their cultures.

The society has to become more traditional for its very survival.

Many people in the West don’t know why they do what they do or what their core values are or should be.  We basically worship materialism and consumerism. We forgot that money is just a tool.  If we forget what’s important in life and make our lives about fleeting things, then our identities are lost when those things disappear. Basically what we do should be values based.  I don’t think those values are solid enough in our society these days.  

Edited September 10, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

materialism and consumerism. We forgot that money is just a tool.

Man does not live on bread alone. 

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t think those values are solid enough in our society these days.

We have a 2000 year old manual on what we should value. I’m on a crusade to end this illiberal madness of the secularist. Secularism in its current form leads to a decline in shared moral frameworks and foster materialism. The irony being that the separation of church and state was meant to protect the freedom of religion not the freedom against religion. 

Edited September 10, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not actually sure the U.S. isn’t f’ing up the world economy right now, which will weaken demand in foreign markets for US goods and lead to costly instability.  Canada is in recession, the U.S. has flat job growth, France is teetering on bankruptcy, and the rest of Europe and Asia aren’t far behind.

We’re all planning to spend big on stuff we don’t really need like military at a time when government revenues are down.  I mean yes, we needed to increase military spending and fill demand lost to tariffs, but really we need a much broader industrial strategy.

I think Trump is essentially risking the world economy for hypothetical future gains that may not materialize due to automation and higher production costs in costlier jurisdictions in the US.  Protectionism ultimately slows productivity and progress because it props up uncompetitive industries Soviet style.  Companies can’t take advantage of the most efficient and affordable inputs.  The hope is that better products with value adds will make it worthwhile to produce in costlier countries, but tariffs can make it totally unaffordable buy those better products, so they may never get produced.

If countries are sheltered from access to the best and most affordable products, they lose the ability to compete because they don’t have to and the population ends up with second rate stuff. It’s how the Soviet Union collapsed.

Agreed, and almost verbatum what i've been saying for a while. 

Having said that, while i don't think trump is actually thinking about this at all  the truth is that it does the world economy good in the long run if every now and then the anthill gets kicked over and we have to rebuild. So maybe in the long run this will turn out to be a good thing. 

Unfortunately those who have to live through the 'transitional times' tend to have a pretty poor life comparatively. 

I do believe there's a strong chance we're going to enter a period of global economic slowdown and possibly even global recession as a result of this insecurity, and while we will have to see i have doubts as to whether or not this is going to turn out to be a net positive for the us in the long run.  So far it isn't but it's too soon for that judgement. 

The problem i have is that Canada is NOT rising to meet the moment right now.