Carney Invites Project 2025 Mastermind to speak to Liberal Cabinet

[paxamericana]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Great! Then go away  

Or, America absorb Alberta and Saskatchewan along with all your young folks, forcing you all to either beg the Americans to let you in. At which time we will decide your fate, or let you be cast out in the cold like fourth world country of former Canada.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, Shady said:

Can you imagine if Pierre invited the author of project 2025?  @Moonlight Graham would've lost his mind!

Depends on the reason they're inviting them.   Nobody but a fool thinks Carney is trying to make his party a bunch of far-right fascists.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Depends on the reason they're inviting them.

Oh come on man.  

[Zeitgeist]

On 9/4/2025 at 7:14 PM, paxamericana said:

At the moment, it’s much easier to digest Alberta and Saskatchewan politically. The economic case for the rest of Canada to be frank is none existent. However, the security bone is very tantalizingly for American security establishment.

Ontario is the real economic player in Canada, with the population, tech, industry, minerals, and even energy.  Ontario is 40% of Canada’s economy. Quebec has a more diverse economy than Alberta and is hydro power rich. BC and Alberta are also resource rich. Alberta is an oil powerhouse but it’s expensive to extract tar oil, so Alberta’s fortunes rise and fall with the price of oil.  Saskatchewan is a breadbasket and potash powerhouse. The territories are full of resource wealth. The Maritimes have oil and fisheries. Canada is all potential and full of wealth, but the people are coming and everyone wants a piece.

Canada is getting to a size where it will have the economy of scale to do just about everything affordably in-house.  It’s interesting to see Canada striking resource/trade deals right now.  A sense of urgency on internal trade, infrastructure and finding new markets.

Edited September 6, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

true, he was quite specific about it and that he thinks he's a great guy.  Lying won't change that 

He’s said that about every world leader he meets including Xi and Putin.  And Carney is a likeable guy who is known and liked by leaders around the world. But Trump certainly never said he “loved” him as you claimed.  And would you prefer it if he hated him?  I mean you didn’t like that he hated Trudeau. 
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Name something trump has demanded he do that he said 'no' to,

Dropping all our counter-tariffs, Dropping Supply Management, Changing Softwood lumber practices, they even reportedly complained about GST and something about “opening” our banking system but not sure there was an actual demand there. 
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope.  For example trump has a 50 percent tariff on steel and we put ours at 25.  Claiming he's "matching trump" is a lie.

As I keep reminding you, the “strategic sector” tariffs on steel, aluminium, etc with more apparently to come are against the entire world, not Canada specifically and the other countries aren’t retaliating  We are matching the tariffs levied specifically at Canada  

 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So, name another time when the liberals invited an opponent to give a talk to their cabinet.  Ever. In our history.

Never happened and never would. What you're saying is beyond ridiculous and nobody EVER does that. 

Well these are rarely made public so who knows. carney also has Harper advising him and Poillievre playing the part of Jaghmeet Singh and propping up the Liberal government in parliament so it’s strange times. Like what are you trying to claim that Carney is a far right extremist after all?  That would be a pretty absurd statement. 
 

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It's pretty bad when the author of 2025 doesn't want to be associated with your political party because he doesn't want to look bad

Who knows why he is not attending but in reference to your statement don’t think it’s bad when an extremist doesn’t want to associate with people he considers his political enemies. 

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Alberta pays 75billion into the equalization payment system of your confederation. They will never get back more than they put in.

Alberta doesn't pay a nickel into equalization. that's not now equalization works.  It's paid for from income tax, not by province,  Everyone pays the same tax rate in Canada,

And as you can see from this chart, alberta is NOT the largest payer of income tax.  Especially not right now

Table 3: Net Federal Tax by Province or Territory and Tax Bracket (2023 tax year) - Canada.ca

People in every province pay into the income tax.  But not every province gets a 'rebate' in the form of equalization.  Only three provinces count as 'net contributors" and alberta isn't even at the top of that. You might say that per capita they pay more but as noted that's because their elderly move to other provinces and burden them, so there's fewer people who aren't working. 

I don't know where you got your information but you're just wrong. 

I've kind of wondered if you were a bit of a false flag poster, this is the conversation  i usually have with young albertans who haven't figured things out yet and listen to really cheezy podcasts   LOL  Is there something you'd like to tell the class?

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Or, America absorb Alberta and Saskatchewan along with all your young folks, forcing you all to either beg the Americans to let you in. At which time we will decide your fate, or let you be cast out in the cold like fourth world country of former Canada.

I don't think alberta as a whole will be interested in separating from Canada where they have little power politically to join the states where they'd have NO power politically. They'd be smaller than maine.

Some kids will romanticize the idea but everyone knows that doesn't end well for alberta OR sask.  They might separate on their own, they might be joined over time by bc and manitoba.  But they want MORE independence, not to be swallowed up by an ignorant neighbour, 

To twist a prhase from a popular movie about patriotism,  "Why would we exchange one tyrant 1000 miles away for 100 tyrants 5000 miles away?"

[paxamericana]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

don't know where you got your information but you're just wrong. 

I should clarify that it’s not just purely based on income, it’s other taxes tied to oil production that gets redistributed to Ottawa, effectively acting as an equalization payment for simplicity of argument. 
 

“Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said shortly after April’s federal election that she was no longer willing to “subsidize” larger provinces like Ontario and Quebec through the federal equalization program.

“That was never the intent of equalization, and it needs to end,” Smith said in an early May address to Albertans.

Total equalization payments will reach a record $26.2 billion in the 2025-26 fiscal year, with Quebec taking home slightly more than half.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cut-the-middle-man-alberta-floats-swapping-equalization-for-more-provincial-tax-collecting

[paxamericana]

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't think alberta as a whole will be interested in separating from Canada where they have little power politically to join the states where they'd have NO power politically. They'd be smaller than maine.

Economically, there is a strong reason for separation. Culturally, they’re Texans. That means they hate Goverment overreach and regulation. Something the current Trump administration is advocating , deregulation. We’ll find out in October where the Albertan stand.

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s said that about every world leader he meets including Xi and Putin.  

No, he absolutely hated Justin and said so on many occasions. he's bad-mouthed Putin as well for that matter recently. Had all kinds of negative things to say about little rocket man too   

When people are doing what he wants he says nice thing it's about them, when they're not doing what he wants he says terrible things about them even if he said nice things last week. Carney is doing what he wants for the most part. So carney gets praise.

And let's get real, if he said something nice about poilievre you would take that as absolute proof that Poilievre was in his pocket.

 

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And Carney is a likeable guy who is known and liked by leaders around the world. But Trump certainly never said he “loved” him as you claimed.  And would you prefer it if he hated him?  I mean you didn’t like that he hated Trudeau. 

Whatever. You think you can twist and turn your way out of it by playing little games like that but the fact is he expressed extreme affection for Carney. Carney is doing what he's told

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Dropping all our counter-tariffs, Dropping Supply Management, Changing Softwood lumber practices, they even reportedly complained about GST and something about “opening” our banking system but not sure there was an actual demand there. 

We did drop our counter tariffs. We did take a tariff on our softwood to make it less competitive without complaint.  Supply management will come up as part of nafta, it's included in that agreement and that's around the corner. 

Sorry kiddo, we've already caved on all of those.  Except the gst and honestly i haven't heard anything about that, that might be more of a rumour.  Why would the americans care about a tax everyone pays on everything?
 

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As I keep reminding you, the “strategic sector” tariffs on steel, aluminium, etc with more apparently to come are against the entire world, not Canada specifically and the other countries aren’t retaliating  We are matching the tariffs levied specifically at Canada  

And as i keep reminding you that doesn't make a damn bit of difference.  We're not negotiating on behalf of the rest of the world. And i thought carney was going to 'match' the us tariffs, that was supposedly the goal in dropping the cusma stuff, why aren't we at 50 percent tariffs on steel to the us? And we have our lumber tarrif which nobody else has as well 

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Well these are rarely made public so who knows. carney also has Harper advising him and Poillievre playing the part of Jaghmeet Singh and propping up the Liberal government in parliament so it’s strange times. Like what are you trying to claim that Carney is a far right extremist after all?  That would be a pretty absurd statement. 

Every other country appears to have made it public.  They talk about their discussions and where they're at etc ,
 

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Who knows why he is not attending but in reference to your statement don’t think it’s bad when an extremist doesn’t want to associate with people he considers his political enemies. 

Ummm....  then why did he say yes, and why was he invited in the first place? You said it's NORMAL to want to sit down and learn from your political enemies, now you say it's perfect normal not to, 

You spin so much you must be dizzy  

Carney is very clearly following trump's plan. If there's a couple things he's holding out on trump thinks that they're minor or that he'll deal with them later but he's getting what he wants right now. Curry is being exactly the way that people like you said Poilievre would be. He fawns over trump, he goes so far as to clean the world economy would collapse without trump's guidance at the G7, he puts himself as inferior to and behind trump.

You guys got played. And the sooner you realize it the better. Carney is not in this for Canadians

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

I should clarify that it’s not just purely based on income, it’s other taxes tied to oil production that gets redistributed to Ottawa, effectively acting as an equalization payment for simplicity of argument. 

well that's a load of complete and utter bullshit. 

Other taxes don't factor into equalization.  And like i said alberta has a higher per capita because it's old people leave and then sponge off of other provinces medical systems  I don't see that in your chart 🙄🙄

Kid, you have no idea what you're talking about and it's very obvious that you're from alberta and have been listening to uneducated friends of yours who have no clue how any of this works. 

A guy maknig 70,000 a year pays the same amount "towards equalization' whether they're in quebec or ontario or alberta.  More albertans are still working because when they stop working they leave, and go leech from other provinces, mostly bc. 

You're making yourself look dumber with each post and you've definitely exposed yourself as 'not american'. 

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Economically, there is a strong reason for separation. Culturally, they’re Texans. That means they hate Goverment overreach and regulation. Something the current Trump administration is advocating , deregulation. We’ll find out in October where the Albertan stand.

Separation perhaps, but not joining the us. 

And while young people who live there (you  ) like to think of themselves as being like texas there are massive differences.  And you'll note texas never separated  And trump is the epitome of gov't overreach, adding to the bad track record of biden and obama. 

The fact is alberta can't really separate on it's own. It just doesn't have the resources and population and economic diversity.  But  it COULD renegotiate its position in confederation to give it a lot more independence.  If sask and bc were to decide they wanted to join, there would be JUST enough to consider separation, and adding manitoba would improve the situation a ittle by providing  access to the eastern seas. 

Frankly, i'm rooting for alberta.  i think that confederation isn't working, I would prefer to see a western Canada,  failing that i would prefer to see a renegotiated federation with a lot more power to the provinces and some sort of cap on federal taxation.  I'd prefer to see provinces collect all the tax and turn over their federal share, that would allow them to play the same game the feds play when they threaten to withhold transfers for those who don't do their bidding 

But it's important to be 'real'. Alberta has no chance of succeeding on it's own. Their hope should be to renegotiate things so that they get the same sort of treatment quebec does as a more independent province with more powers 

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Economically, there is a strong reason for separation. Culturally, they’re Texans. That means they hate Goverment overreach and regulation. Something the current Trump administration is advocating , deregulation. We’ll find out in October where the Albertan stand.

Alberta’s history and culture are very connected to the Canadian nation-building project of the national railway and the RCMP.  It’s because of these elements that Alberta was founded and settled.   The Mountie was made in Alberta.

The oil patch came later and does give Alberta financial clout, but something tells me they’re more concerned about keeping it for themselves than giving it to the U.S..  I mean they’re happy to sell oil to the Yanks and the rest of Canada.  Now that there’s pipelines for oil and natural gas to the BC coast and plans for connections to the Churchill port in Manitoba, all projects funded heavily by the government of Canada, Alberta has good incentives to remain in Canada, which operates the ports.  Better the devil you know, as the saying goes…

Edited September 6, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

Huh...I see the resident Libbies are making excuses for Marc "Elbows Up" Carney. Good good...

They would excuse the Carney if he shot someone on Bay Street. They have PDS to compliment theIr TDS. 

In the meantime...the Liberals are entertaining the Project 25 folks.

In the States Project 25 is an enemy...

In Canada...it's an honored guest.

And they wonder why they have zero credibility...

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Depends on the reason they're inviting them.   Nobody but a fool thinks Carney is trying to make his party a bunch of far-right fascists.

Any sensible person can see he's trying to bring his party in line with trump. He gives trump whatever he wants. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...I see the resident Libbies are making excuses for Marc "Elbows Up" Carney. Good good...

They would excuse the Carney if he shot someone on Bay Street. They have PDS to compliment theIr TDS. 

In the meantime...the Liberals are entertaining the Project 25 folks.

In the States Project 25 is an enemy...

In Canada...it's an honored guest.

And they wonder why they have zero credibility...

Right? 

Carney:

- Moves his business to the US

- Drops tariffs on demand when trump tells him to

- increases military spending comittments on command

- Holds "executive order" signing press conferences (OIC's in our case) just like trump

- Praises trump lavishly and embarrassingly so at G7

- Is praised by trump for being a 'good boy'

- Invites an actual trump strategist to lecture cabinet 

LEFTS VERDICT:   Carney is playing 4d chess in an effort to get into trump's head and lure him into a false sense of security and our crashing economy is all part of the trap carney will spring at any moment now. 

 

Polievre:

- Uses slogan "canada first".

LEFT'S VERDICT:  MAPLE MAGA!!!! DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!

[WestCanMan]

On 9/5/2025 at 10:55 AM, paxamericana said:

Or, America absorb Alberta and Saskatchewan along with all your young folks, forcing you all to either beg the Americans to let you in. At which time we will decide your fate, or let you be cast out in the cold like fourth world country of former Canada.

You're not exactly a selling point for your country. You know that, right? 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He’s said that about every world leader he meets including Xi and Putin.  And Carney is a likeable guy who is known and liked by leaders around the world. But Trump certainly never said he “loved” him as you claimed.  And would you prefer it if he hated him?  I mean you didn’t like that he hated Trudeau. 

Do you think that Trump stumped for Carney because Trump's a nice guy who wants the best for Canada, Beave?

Or just because Carney is such a swell guy?

Why was Trump's support for Carney seen as a positive by the CBC and other LPOC cultists? They would hate the way he brushes his teeth if they knew how he did it. Their official policy is to instantly hate everything that Trump says and does in the first instant that he says it, and they're not above lying about it to make their case. So why did they just randomly decide to pretend that what Trump was doing was in the best interests of Canadians?

Isn't it just a little bit concerning that Trump got Carney installed as our PM, and now Carney does everything that Trump tells him to do? 

I mean even if Carney just follows most of Trump's orders, and disobeys occasionally, the orders he follows are pretty big. Isn't that a bit suspect? 

Quick question: when the US interferes in elections/supports coups around the world, do you think that they're usually:

1. trying to get the best possible leaders for that country, regardless of how that affects America's bottom line, or
2. the most obvious f'ing answer imaginable

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Dropping all our counter-tariffs, Dropping Supply Management, Changing Softwood lumber practices, they even reportedly complained about GST and something about “opening” our banking system but not sure there was an actual demand there. 

By your own admission, Trump - the guy who got Carney elected - has a laundry list of menial tasks for Carney to perform, and on many occasions already, Carney has been seen to reverse course 180° in order to follow Trump's orders. 

Do you still see nothing at all going on? 

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And Carney is a likeable guy who is known and liked by leaders around the world

If he's so likeable, then why is he being so openly disrespected by world leaders, Canadian premiers, union bosses, FN chiefs, etc? It seems like everyone thinks that they can just disregard him, or boss him around, like Trump does, no?

And as far as being so likeable around the globe goes, I'm not sure I'm a fan of that. "A friend to all is a friend to none", right?

It's pretty plain to see that Trump is a friend to Americans first, by a wide margin, and then a friend to everyone else, based on what's in it for 'Murrica. 

What evidence do you have that Trudeau or Carney have ever put Canadians first, aside from some in criminal enterprises like SNC Lavalin, and family-funders like WE? 

Edited September 6, 2025 by WestCanMan

[paxamericana]

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're not exactly a selling point for your country. You know that, right? 

None sense, you’re all going to be American one day and like it too. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

None sense, you’re all going to be American one day and like it too. 

Fact of the matter is that all borders eventually change, and all empires eventually crumbly, so any prediction that you make in that regard is eventually going to come true, it's just a matter of if it happens before 2028, by 20250, by 2150, etc. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, paxamericana said:

None sense, you’re all going to be American one day and like it too. 

Dude you're from rural alberta.  If you want to be american just start walking south and when you get to the border tell them you heard Ice was recruiting.   

[CdnFox]

Turns out the whole thing is going over REAAAAALLY well with liberals:

Liberals Call Out Carney for Inviting Trump Insider | The Tyee

 

Another sitting Liberal MP called it “an utter disgrace.”

“It’s a betrayal of Liberal voters, undermines the core theme of our campaign, and is an utter disgrace for a self-respecting democracy facing the rise of fascism next door,” the Liberal MP said in a direct message conversation.

“This man is a key architect of Donald Trump’s assault on the U.S. Constitution and it’s completely inappropriate that he be invited to address the federal Cabinet.”

Hmmmm.   I guess "canada first" isn't looking so bad now  

[Zeitgeist]

On 9/7/2025 at 4:35 PM, paxamericana said:

None sense, you’re all going to be American one day and like it too. 

I’m not actually sure the U.S. isn’t f’ing up the world economy right now, which will weaken demand in foreign markets for US goods and lead to costly instability.  Canada is in recession, the U.S. has flat job growth, France is teetering on bankruptcy, and the rest of Europe and Asia aren’t far behind.

We’re all planning to spend big on stuff we don’t really need like military at a time when government revenues are down.  I mean yes, we needed to increase military spending and fill demand lost to tariffs, but really we need a much broader industrial strategy.

I think Trump is essentially risking the world economy for hypothetical future gains that may not materialize due to automation and higher production costs in costlier jurisdictions in the US.  Protectionism ultimately slows productivity and progress because it props up uncompetitive industries Soviet style.  Companies can’t take advantage of the most efficient and affordable inputs.  The hope is that better products with value adds will make it worthwhile to produce in costlier countries, but tariffs can make it totally unaffordable buy those better products, so they may never get produced.

If countries are sheltered from access to the best and most affordable products, they lose the ability to compete because they don’t have to and the population ends up with second rate stuff. It’s how the Soviet Union collapsed.

Edited September 10, 2025 by Zeitgeist

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump is essentially risking the world economy for hypothetical future gains that may not materialize due to automation

The effect of automation means that the higher value add is not done by human labor but rather by technology. So whoever owns said tech get a larger share of the revenue pie. This leads to income inequality. A problem that Trump wants to address by taxes and unions. Both presenting their own problems as you alluded to below.

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

higher production costs in costlier jurisdictions… It’s how the Soviet Union collapsed.

Longterm I tend to agree with your assessment but shorter term say midterm, it might be alright. The thing to pay attention to is legislation that gets passed. Everything else is just noise.

Edited September 10, 2025 by paxamericana

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not actually sure the U.S. isn’t f’ing up the world economy right now, which will weaken demand in foreign markets for US goods and lead to costly instability.

This is short term, longterm there is no where else capital can fly to. As I have previously asked , where else do you trust to buy government bonds. Yes the US print currency, but we’re the world’s currency reserve. Gold is not a solution, there is only a limited amount in circulation and even then, the entire world historical supply of gold is only 9 trillion dollars at 2015 prices. Not enough to go around and be used as currency.