Canada rescinding Digitals Services act

[Legato]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

We have no insight, but pretty naive to think there was a pause in negotiations.  Trump jumped up and down in his soiled diaper while the people negotiating likely just rolled their eyes and kept the discussions moving along.  Nothing was stopping because of a ~1.5B annual tax.

Are the fairies at the bottom of your garden telling you this?

 

[LinkSoul60]

7 minutes ago, Legato said:

Are the fairies at the bottom of your garden telling you this?

 

Witty response....  Doesn't hurt to use common sense from time to time.  Try it.

[xul]

4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You'd have to assume that of course it's part of the negotiation, and for all we know that or a similar demand could have been the talking point to dropping the DST.  Fact is we don't know what the discussions and the give and take are but Carney was elected for exactly what he's doing right now....negotiating with Trump.  How that looks when finalized....we'll see.

We will see...indeed.

I have just googled "Does Trump have pets?" and got an answer "No". Which means you can't get easy meals from him merely by being humble, adorable or obedient to him. 

As for negotiation, just imagine that you were a salesman of a business and a customer asked you to give him a huge discount.  After you refused, he stood up and said he would leave. If you called him back, you would let him to dominate the ensuing negotiation and you'd better prepare to pay the discount he asked for.

But I don't blame Carney for this because there are 3000 Chinese spies inside Canada Government and deep states working for Trump...LOL....The negotiation between any Canadian PM with any US president is just like to let Army Guy fly a F-35 to fight USAF---his enemy can read any information on his flight display before it showing up on the display. How could we suppose he would win the battle?

 

Edited June 30, 2025 by xul

[Legato]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Witty response....  Doesn't hurt to use common sense from time to time.  Try it.

After you.

[SpankyMcFarland]

DSTs are only going to become more common around the world. Governments have been remarkably patient about the shenanigans of American high-tech firms partly because of the benefits their products have brought but their patience has run out. Facebook, Google and the rest have wiped out the revenue from local tax-paying media companies, replacing them with complex arrangements that squirrelled money away in havens like Ireland, the Caymans and Luxembourg. Trump shouting at Canada isn’t going to stem the tide. 

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What do you think the best strategy would have been, knowing the guy across the table has a better hand and knowing thousands of Canadian jobs need resolution to a trade deal to move forward?

The best strategy was not to implement it in the first place. Poilievre wouldn't have. It was a dumb move that brought a predictably harsh response.

Edited July 1, 2025 by I am Groot

[herbie]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Trump said, there were no more negotiations. 

And we caved to his temper tantrum. The guy has no f*cking idea about negotiation, he's stuck on his 'your fired' concept.
MOF the guy criticsized others for not firing enough hires, as if that was the sign of a good manager. 19th century m0ron.

Edited July 1, 2025 by herbie

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

You and I do not know what is going on or being said behind closed doors

Just the way Canadians like it...at least that's what the received wisdom says.

[August1991]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What do we do when he demands the end of milk cartels...

Let's see.

Does Poilievre have courage.

Edited July 1, 2025 by August1991
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[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The best strategy was not to implement it in the first place. Poilievre wouldn't have. It was a dumb move that brought a predictably harsh response.

Even Biden was pissed off by it and it was causing problems and tensions between us then. A good dumb enough to go ahead to implement it you better have a pretty solid plan behind you, you have to know trump is going to come after you.

The problem is he folded so quickly on this issue but now trump has already moved on to supply management and carney has nothing left in between him and that. And he absolutely can't afford to give much ground there but trump is going to grind the hell out of him because he knows in the end carney will cave

Edited July 1, 2025 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

People are not happy about him caving like the wet noodle like that:

Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

The problem is he had his poor finance minister out in public on like Friday insisting that they would not consider resending the tax. Now champagne looks like a complete !diot and it's the second time he's been thrown under the bus. And Carney looks weak and disloyal to his people and that's becoming a running theme between this and him throwing Robertson under the bus And a few other minor incidents.

[Aristides]

I wasn’t happy to see Carney crater on this one but I think we will have to wait while this shakes out and judge the result.

For better or worse, he’s our guy so let’s hope he knows what he is doing.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I wasn’t happy to see Carney crater on this one but I think we will have to wait while this shakes out and judge the result.

For better or worse, he’s our guy so let’s hope he knows what he is doing.

Well the consensus seems to be that he lost his battle. that's unfortunate.

The digital services tax was bad policy, but killing it now makes us look terribly weak - The Globe and Mail

But the fight is a long way from over and as you say one way or another we're going to have to live with his results so let's hope he learns from it and moves on and wins the next ones.

The challenge he's going to run into is that trump now believes he's weak. He's going to think that as long as he's pushy as hell he'll get what he wants out of Carney, and Carney is going to have to make some big moves and probably face some extra tough battles to force trump to think otherwise and respect him again. It's either that or just cave and take whatever deal trump is willing to leave you with which would be bad for us.

I'm getting a little afraid to see what you're in numbers are going to look like. I know he was counting on this revenue and because it's retroactive this year would have produced a large amount of revenue. That's going to leave another hole to fill and that's not going to be easy. 

Carney might just wind up wishing he hadn't come to power right now, and he'd let pp deal with all this crap  

[eyeball]

Carney kissed Trump's ass on Canada Day weekend...he didn't even put up a fight. And what are other countries we've been working with to create a common front in the face of Trump to make of this sudden capitulation?

WTF?

 

[CdnFox]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Carney kissed Trump's ass on Canada Day weekend...he didn't even put up a fight. And what are other countries we've been working with to create a common front in the face of Trump to make of this sudden capitulation?

WTF?

 

Yeah, we lost this one and it wasn't even pretty. But carney has to pick himself up and chart a different path forward where trump is definitely going to take our lunch money. And that's bad for everyone.

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, herbie said:

And we caved to his temper tantrum. The guy has no f*cking idea about negotiation, he's stuck on his 'your fired' concept.
MOF the guy criticsized others for not firing enough hires, as if that was the sign of a good manager. 19th century m0ron.

No one "caved" that was an American trying to claim victory. Let them, we still have our hand hidden. Clearly you have no concept or understanding of negotiations. Theirs or ours.

What goes on behind closed doors in not disclosed for a reason, so the uninformed do not make stupid uninformed conjecture...which seems to be the case far too often

[ExFlyer]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Carney kissed Trump's ass on Canada Day weekend...he didn't even put up a fight. And what are other countries we've been working with to create a common front in the face of Trump to make of this sudden capitulation?

WTF?

 

He did not need to put up a fight. He just said he was not goign to collect the tax...now. He never rescinded the law nor did he say it would not be enacted later.

We, Canada, cannot wish and hope other countries are goign to hep or go hand in hand with Canadian needs. They have their own issue. We do not hear them unless you read or watch their news feeds.

Trump has caused chaos all over the world and es=ach country has to do their own thing to combat it.

[Nationalist]

So the carney folded.

"Elbows Up"...m0rons.

[Boges]

Maple MAGA on Friday: Carney is ruining Canada. This will hurt Canadian jobs!!!! There's no reason to be this combative over a new tax! 

Maple MAGA on Sunday: WEAK!!!! What about elbows up Carney? He folded like a cheap tent! 

[ExFlyer]

On 6/30/2025 at 6:50 AM, Barquentine said:

Minister of Finance and National Revenue, the Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, announced today that Canada would rescind the Digital Services Tax (DST) in anticipation of a mutually beneficial comprehensive trade arrangement with the United States. Consistent with this action, Prime Minister Carney and President Trump have agreed that parties will resume negotiations with a view towards agreeing on a deal by July 21, 2025.  

Personally I think we should have held out. Trump would have blinked. But I suspect some form of the digital services tax will resurface in every country, including the US, at some point.

That is not correct. PM Carney said they would not collect the tax.

They cannot rescind it as it is law and that would require a vote in parliament and they are not sitting and will not call them back.

There is a digital service tax in some European countries already but, the US do so little trade with them it would not matter to hold them hostage.

[LinkSoul60]

12 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The best strategy was not to implement it in the first place. Poilievre wouldn't have. It was a dumb move that brought a predictably harsh response.

It's was on the table to go into effect for quite some time.

You're right PP wouldn't have.  The country didn't and won't put him in that position. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's was on the table to go into effect for quite some time.

So what? Carney could have cancelled or postponed it, and should have.

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're right PP wouldn't have.  The country didn't and won't put him in that position. 

God forbid we have someone in office who makes the right decisions.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So what? Carney could have cancelled or postponed it, and should have.

God forbid we have someone in office who makes the right decisions.

He could have, but for all we know it was in the negotiation strategy.

I had/have no faith in someone like PP who has been a career politician and no experience in the real world.  Voters had no faith either....

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's was on the table to go into effect for quite some time.

You're right PP wouldn't have.  The country didn't and won't put him in that position. 

And they did not put him in that position...they even took his seat away LOL

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

No one "caved"

We caved. 

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It's was on the table to go into effect for quite some time.

You're right PP wouldn't have.  The country didn't and won't put him in that position. 

And the country is taking a beating as a result. We just lost 7 billion dollars that the liberals were counting on for part of their plan

I think pretty quick the country is going to be reconsidering their position. Mr elbows up is turning out to be a failure already and it's only been a few months