Liberal Party Takes Lead in Polls

[SpankyMcFarland]

It’s such an odd campaign, dominated by the whims of a delinquent foreign octogenarian. Many of the new Liberal supporters have misgivings about the party and its troubled stewardship of the country this last decade. Carney is definitely striking a more centrist tone on policy and ducking a debate shows he also has insight into his limitations. He’s a very old dog to be learning new tricks at this stage. 

[PIK]

10 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Your daily dose of polls:

 

The gap between the Liberals and Conservatives continues to grow as the Liberals gain more support from the NDP and Bloc Québécois. With growing leads in Ontario, Quebec, Atlantic Canada and British Columbia, the Liberals would win a big majority government if an election were held today, with all other parties likely to suffer seat losses.  https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/
 

 

How should PP change course to garner more support?   Or should he just rely on hopes and prayers?

Meanwhile PP drawing 1000's to his speeches. And the biggest crowd so far tonight in Kingston. 

[TreeBeard]

14 minutes ago, PIK said:

Meanwhile PP drawing 1000's to his speeches. And the biggest crowd so far tonight in Kingston. 

Sounds very Trumpy. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Moonbox said:

True enough, and Carney's been pro taxing carbon for a long time. 

Even so, is Carney a "thief" for ditching an unpopular Liberal policy, and not giving Poilievre the easy target he'd prefer?  

 

He's a thief for basically stealing his platform while at the same time claiming that he doesn't know what he's doing and that is ideas are bad.

If Carney had really come up on these ideas on his own that would be one thing. But he clearly doesn't even intend to keep them. He's saying what pierre is saying because he knows that pierre is saying the things that people care about. But he has no intention of living up to them.

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds very Trumpy. 

Exactly.  What is there to be learned ?

One party has a core of motivated and engaged followers, even if it's a smaller number.

[PIK]

11 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds very Trumpy. 

How so?

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly.  What is there to be learned ?

One party has a core of motivated and engaged followers, even if it's a smaller number.

But the cons have a larger motivated and engaged followers. Carneys support is very soft. Cons will still win. Listen to a lady that does polls at a regional level, different numbers than the national CTV, CBC polls.  If PP wins a majority, I would call in every pollster to have them explain how they could be so wrong.

Edited 20 hours ago by PIK

[SpankyMcFarland]

41 minutes ago, PIK said:

How so?

But the cons have a larger motivated and engaged followers. Carneys support is very soft. Cons will still win. Listen to a lady that does polls at a regional level, different numbers than the national CTV, CBC polls.  If PP wins a majority, I would call in every pollster to have them explain how they could be so wrong.

Let’s not be too tough on the pollsters. They are in a fiendishly difficult line of work. It’s like watching a soccer game at field level behind one set of goalposts - you just see people chaotically running about most of the time. Some pundits are saying what you’re saying and I think some of them are pollsters too, so in the event of a Tory win they’ll explain that they weren’t all that wrong. We all know the Liberal rise is new and what rises so fast can fall again just as rapidly. Mark McQueen’s recent piece in the Toronto Star points out that affordability polls as a substantially bigger issue than Trump in one poll. 

 

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In our hearts, many Canadians know that the Liberals blew repeated chances to make life more affordable. When the 2025 election is framed as “cost of living vs. dealing with Trump, affordability wins out by a margin of 58% to 42%,” according to Abacus Data. That’s Poilievre’s strong suit.

Will it be enough to top the Liberals’ lucky streak?

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/the-conservatives-have-a-plan-but-the-liberals-have-something-you-cant-plan-for/article_5b4b9f9d-d3ac-43e4-84ee-22ade456b562.html

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds very Trumpy. 

Everything you liberals hear is trumpy....you would rather listen to lies and and false promises....

[Army Guy]

49 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Exactly.  What is there to be learned ?

One party has a core of motivated and engaged followers, even if it's a smaller number.

Well liberals are very gullible...although that's not new and we've known that for a long time....they seem to enjoy being lied to, they not fond of the truth, and they seem to embrace failure a lot...what is it that you have learned? 

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I remember you screaming to the High Heavens how it wasn't true that liberals steal conservative ideas when we were talking about why Poilievre hadn't released his platform yet

Sure kid.

[Legato]

12 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds very Trumpy. 

[PIK]

14 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Sounds very Trumpy. 

And what's wrong with that? Trump wants strong borders, bigger military, curb the drugs and put these drug dealing murderers away for a long time. I don't like Trump. But he is not the problem, it's the liberals.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

And what's wrong with that? Trump wants strong borders, bigger military, curb the drugs and put these drug dealing murderers away for a long time. I don't like Trump. But he is not the problem, it's the liberals.

Yes, PP should definitely tell normal Canadians that he admires Trump’s goals and wants to be more like him.  
 

Sounds like a winning strategy. 

[PIK]

Just now, TreeBeard said:

Yes, PP should definitely tell normal Canadians that he admires Trump’s goals and wants to be more like him.  
 

Sounds like a winning strategy. 

Now that is stupid.  All trumps ideas are not crazy. He has some good con policy. Like keeping murderers  ,rapists and drug dealers in jail, not the revolving door we have now.

[SpankyMcFarland]

In days of yore, it was left-wingers who couldn’t follow the party line during campaigns. Now Tory insiders past and present are making Poilievre’s life a lot more difficult. This time it’s Preston Manning threatening the rest of Canada. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-poilievre-distances-himself-from-ex-reform-leader-preston-mannings/

 

Edited 16 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

[TreeBeard]

10 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In days of yore, it was left-wingers who couldn’t folly the party line during campaigns. Now Tory insiders past and present are making Poilievre’s life a lot more difficult. This time it’s Preston Manning threatening the rest of Canada. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-poilievre-distances-himself-from-ex-reform-leader-preston-mannings/

 

Here is the text from the G&M article: 

 

 

Preston Manning is the former leader of the Reform Party of Canada and a former leader of the Opposition.

Because of the vastness of Canada’s territory, the differing interests of its various regions, the abundance of competing economic and social interests, and the weakened state of democratic instruments for reconciling conflicting interests, national unity will be a perpetual challenge for whomever we choose to form our national government.

Recent polling by Pollara Strategic Insights shows a temporary decline in support for secession in Quebec but, paradoxically, support for the separatist Parti Québécois remains high. Were the PQ to win the next provincial election in Quebec as predicted, it has promised to hold another referendum on secession. And so the next federal government, no matter who forms it, will be faced yet again with a challenge to national unity on the Quebec front.

But whether politicians, the media, or voters in central Canada realize it or not, the greatest future threat to national unity is emerging not from Quebec, but on the Western front – again, revealed by the recent Pollara survey.

On account of the mismanagement of national affairs for the last decade by the Liberal government, and its consistent failure to address those issues of greatest concern to Western Canadians, large numbers of Westerners simply will not stand for another four years of Liberal government, no matter who leads it. The support for Western secession is therefore growing, unabated and even fuelled by Liberal promises to reverse many of their previous positions. Such promises of expediency simply don’t ring true in the West. Who, except the most politically naïve, would believe Mark Carney’s promises to reverse the Liberal positions on everything from east-west pipelines to identity politics and climate change, when standing behind him is a cabinet of 23 MPs who, just a month ago, were advocating for the very opposite and have done so for years?

The bottom-up support for Western secession – another one of those populist movements that central Canada has never anticipated or understood – is currently centred in Alberta and Saskatchewan. But it has the potential to spread to most of B.C., Manitoba and the adjacent territories depending on how it is organized and led. And this time, unlike the late 1980s, there is no Reform Party to redirect that populist energy in a “West Wants In” direction.

So what can be done? Here are two suggested actions, the first by voters in central and Atlantic Canada, and the second by Western political leaders.

Voters, particularly in central and Atlantic Canada, need to recognize that a vote for the Carney Liberals is a vote for Western secession – a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it. If you couldn’t care less about the concerns or actions of Western Canada, then ignore this unsolicited advice. But understand that separation of the resources-based economic engine of Western Canada from what’s left of the rest of Canada will have dire economic and social consequences for the latter.

Secondly, Western political leaders need to provide a mechanism for recognizing and addressing the growing support for Western secession in an orderly and democratic manner, so that its support and leadership are not surrendered to extremists or eccentrics for lack of thoughtful consideration of how best to proceed. Initially, this mechanism need not be a Western secession party after the Quebec model of the Parti or Bloc Québécois, but rather a democratic forum to first consider various alternative courses of action.

For example, consideration should be given to organizing a “Canada West Constitutional Conference” as soon as possible after the federal election, with a flexible agenda and the backing of at least one provincial government.

 

If there is a genuinely new federal government after April 28, then the agenda of that conference should be twofold: first, to constructively address ways and means of co-operating with that government to redress the damage done to Western Canada by a decade of Liberal neglect and misrule, and second, to consider how best to negotiate new and better Canada-U.S. trade relations.

But if the Liberals, employing the fear of U.S. President Donald Trump to secure the support of easily frightened voters, should be returned to office, then the agenda of the conference should be to consider ways and means of peacefully seceding.

The next prime minister of Canada, if it remains Mark Carney, would then be identified in the history books, tragically and needlessly, as the last prime minister of a united Canada.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by TreeBeard

[taxme]

On 3/21/2025 at 8:47 PM, cougar said:

Don't give a rat's ass what he owns or what his dad owned.  His only property is the 120kg of fat on him which will be converted into fertilizer in due course and I am likely to witness it.

As for you and those on here supporting Trump, I think you should all be kicked out of the country immediately.  Supporting foreign powers who threaten annexation is treason.

Blackbird will likely lead the flock with you on the right and the rest behind in a V-shaped formation.

 

Trump is a billionaire and owns tons of real estate and you do not. Are you jealous, eh? One day soon your fat ass will become fertilizer. And I am pretty sure that you will not be missed when that day gets here. 🤣

I bet that you were a Bidumb supporter, eh? And if so, then you should be the one that gets kicked out of this country immediately, bimbo. The less comrades like you around the better. 

So just where has Trump threatened to annex Canada, bimbo? Verbatim please. 😁 

[taxme]

On 2/25/2025 at 3:57 PM, Barquentine said:

Maybe it's the Pc's who need a new leader.

We need more real and true conservatives on this forum. We have way too many lefty liberal comrade trolls like you around here that always keep trying to destroy this once great country called Canada. I keep asking lefty liberals like you as to what the liberals have done for Canada that has helped to make Canada great, and no lefty liberal here can tell me. 

Canada is not great anymore. It has become a lefty liberal 3rd world multicultural hell hole where the liberals have been trying for decades to try and make white people become a minority in their own white homeland. Corney will be no different. Corney is a WEF globalist suck who is trying to make Canada non-white asap. 

We have a PC leader who has even said that he will have nothing to do with the WEF globalists. Now that is the kind of leader that we now need for Canada. Go, PP, go. 😇

[Barquentine]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

We have a PC leader who has even said that he will have nothing to do with the WEF globalists. Now that is the kind of leader that we now need for Canada. Go, PP, go. 😇

So why does he only have 1% chance of even having a minority gov't? Canadians don't want him or racists like you.

And you only said 'lefty liberal' 4 times. Maybe next time just cut and paste it 100 times since you apparently have nothing intelligent to say.

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

So why does he only have 1% chance of even having a minority gov't? Canadians don't want him or racists like you.

And you only said 'lefty liberal' 4 times. Maybe next time just cut and paste it 100 times since you apparently have nothing intelligent to say.

Because the fix is in, lefty liberal. Corney will be the next lefty liberal globalist dictator of Canada because we see the lying and fake Canadian media going all goo-goo over Corney. They hardly pay attention to PP any longer. The Canadian media want PP out of the picture, lefty liberal. LOL. 

Where do you even get this racist shit from anyway, lefty liberal? Where is racism being preached by me or the conservatives, you silly fool? Come on, show me. I will probably have to wait forever for the liberal to find something. 

As far as i am concerned, you neither have anything intelligent to say here yourself. But you being a lefty liberal, i know the reason why? You are a lefty liberal. 🤡

 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

So why does he only have 1% chance of even having a minority gov't? Canadians don't want him or racists like you.

 

Two polls out now have him neck and neck with Carney. 

People like carney because they don't know him and haven't seen him and he's shiney and new.  But that will fade quickly. 

Snake oil peddlers and false phrophets always have the skill to grab the public's attention for a short time, but we'll see. 

[August1991]

On 3/24/2025 at 1:03 AM, West said:

Carney creeps me out. The Liberal Party should try and keep the guy out of the spotlight until the election cause I can't see him being popular. 

Right now CTV is trying to make it the Liberal Party vs Donald Trump. Sadly the Eastern Canadians have a bad case of the Trump Derangement and have no problem going with a sketchy unknown character so long as they feel morally superior. 

In a country such as Canada, Carney is not a good candidate = he's no Trudeau - young or old.

But he may get teh federal Liberals enough seats to form a government.