Trump shot at his own rally

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, sharkman said:

The first priority is always to get control over the narrative. 

Trump already is doing just that:

“It was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening,”

“Our love goes out to the other victims and their families.”

“In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand united, and show our true character as Americans, remaining strong and determined, and not allowing evil to win” 

“I truly love our country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our great nation this week from Wisconsin.”

[User]

15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

He's not Hitler but he did make every attempt to steal a democratic election that he knew he rightfully lost.  So he's an authoritarian dictator at the very least.

Oh, so that makes Gore an authoritarian dictator too?

Give me a break with this crap. 

 

[Hodad]

15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

And this is why he got shot, because of lies like this.

That may be why someone shot at him. (Some people take the end of democracy very seriously.) 

But it's absolutely not a lie. It's 100% true.

[Fluffypants]

1 minute ago, Perspektiv said:

How many Jews has he killed? How many minorities? 

You can't remotely draw that comparison as the crime committed isn't in the same realm.

Its just a talking point, unless you can prove where the connection is.

Trump like his steak well done and I hear Hitler like them the same way.

Hitler was an artist Trump owns a bunch of art.

Hitler would say hi to people in the morning and so does Trump.

Hitler never had a beard and neither has Trump.

 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Fluffypants said:

Hitler would say hi to people in the morning and so does Trump.

Hitler never had a beard and neither has Trump.

 

F***. I have some soul searching to do. 

One of my best friends is Jewish, and I need to call them tomorrow morning and say hi, and....wait. f*** *runs away from thread crying*

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Trump already is doing just that:

“It was God alone who prevented the unthinkable from happening,”

“Our love goes out to the other victims and their families.”

“In this moment, it is more important than ever that we stand united, and show our true character as Americans, remaining strong and determined, and not allowing evil to win” 

“I truly love our country, and love you all, and look forward to speaking to our great nation this week from Wisconsin.”

Some Americans will definitely believe this. They aren't very bright, nor educated enough to recall any xenophobic, nationalist, authoritarian, narcissists who narrowly avoided assassination attempts. 🤷‍♂️

[Moonlight Graham]

Here's how social science works:  You make a claim (thesis), and you need to support it by presenting evidence.  If the evidence doesn't hold up strong enough to support the thesis, the thesis can be rejected.

[QuebecOverCanada]

It's incredible that in this day and age, with all the information tools we have and all the technology that has advanced, we still have no consensus as to whom tried to kill Donald Trump and what was the motive. It seems like the version changes every minute.

[Fluffypants]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

It's incredible that in this day and age, with all the information tools we have and all the technology that has advanced, we still have no consensus as to whom tried to kill Donald Trump and what was the motive. It seems like the version changes every minute.

Everyone wants to be first to break the story, not necessarily be accurate. Plus a lot of people want certain things to be true. The left would prefer he just be a looney tune in love with George Clooney and claims he told him to kill Trump. The right wants it to be left wing progressive incited by violent rhetoric coming from the left wing politicians/media.

So any shred of evidence that flows that way they seize upon and report it as truth.

[Five of swords]

42 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Or a shooter to panic under the weight of the pressure they were under. 

They knew they had a limited window  and likely know they were spotted and the heavy security.

The bullets missing is just the end result. Not a divine being deflecting them. But rather an unprepared shooter, vs a seasoned military veteran who would have been far likelier to make the dots connect.

The shooter being this person, is what history will see as being meant to be. That shot was meant to miss.

Things happen for a reason. Whether you subscribe to a higher purpose or not.

'Things happen for a reason' is just a comment too vague to be false and too vague to be useful.

 

You are suggesting that God 'protected' Trump.

 

Iam just amused by that sort of reasoning and how silly it becomes. Why did God allow Trump to get shot at in the first place? Why wouldn't God just magically have Trump win the election in 2020?

 

This paradigm you are invoking results in more questions than answers.

[sharkman]

11 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

It's incredible that in this day and age, with all the information tools we have and all the technology that has advanced, we still have no consensus as to whom tried to kill Donald Trump and what was the motive. It seems like the version changes every minute.

Pay attention.

This is because there is a struggle going on RIGHT NOW to gain control of the narrative.  Not the truth, but the narrative.  So the response of the people can be shaped and controlled.  To what end, I have no idea at this time.

The nonsense about Trump being the next hitler?  That's a conspiracy theory that has been planted in people by repeated viewing of nonsense, half truths and complete lies that get repeated often enough to become plausible to certain people.  They get duped.  The shooter was duped as well.

Many parts of the news media are nothing more than operations to control what people believe.

 

 

[QuebecOverCanada]

7 minutes ago, Fluffypants said:

Everyone wants to be first to break the story, not necessarily be accurate. Plus a lot of people want certain things to be true. The left would prefer he just be a looney tune in love with George Clooney and claims he told him to kill Trump. The right wants it to be left wing progressive incited by violent rhetoric coming from the left wing politicians/media.

So any shred of evidence that flows that way they seize upon and report it as truth.

With events like this, it's clear that it's going to invoke emotions on both sides of the spectrum. One thing I really didn't like to hear, including on this forum, were justifications for political violence. You may dislike Trump, but saying he deserved to be killed for having opinions contrary to yours is unjustifiable.

Those who try to recuperate the event and make it a point toward Leftists from the get go also displayed a lack of class.

It's not tomorrow that we will have a nuance, credible take on what happened yesterday.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, User said:

Calling Trump "evil" that he is literally Hitler and is going to destroy Democracy... are nutty things. 

Maybe Trump shouldn't talk about becoming a dictator and putting people in jail, including the media that criticize him, and he and his team shouldn't plan how they'll fire all the neutral public servants and military and federal police and hire only those 'loyal' to Trump, hmm?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

 It turns out that President Trump's Secret Service detail was not the full presidential package.

Maybe because he's not the president. 

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

His team had asked repeatedly for the increased protection, but it had been denied b

The Secret Service has denied there was any request for additional people, and that, in fact, additional people had been assigned due to the increased tempo of events planned.

[User]

Just now, I am Groot said:

Maybe Trump shouldn't talk about becoming a dictator and putting people in jail, including the media that criticize him, and he and his team shouldn't plan how they'll fire all the neutral public servants and military and federal police and hire only those 'loyal' to Trump, hmm?

Maybe you should actually listen to what Trump said. 

You are on here pushing surface level deep fear mongering talking points to justify the stupidity of calling him Hitler and evil. 

Give me a break. 

Lets look at your first claim... that he is talking about becoming a dictator. That isn't what he said nor what he meant. He said he would be a dictator on day one in that he would be issuing executive orders like any other President does within the scope of his executive authority. This point was further clarified on Sean Hannity interview I believe. 

But yeah, you keep on pushing an obviously absurd left wing talking point.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Why is it a lie?

Because there was no attempt to steal an election.

[I am Groot]

33 minutes ago, sharkman said:

The nonsense about Trump being the next hitler?  That's a conspiracy theory that has been planted in people by repeated viewing of nonsense, half truths and complete lies that get repeated often enough to become plausible to certain people.

You mean the nonsense, half-truths and complete lies Trump and his party put out every day?

I agree he's not the next Hitler. He's not smart enough. 

[SkyHigh]

Another great example of why there should be mandatory training for fire arms in the U.S.

Dude couldn't shoot for shit.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

That may be why someone shot at him. (Some people take the end of democracy very seriously.) 

But it's absolutely not a lie. It's 100% true.

No. It's a lie.

[Deluge]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Shooter was 20yr old registered republican 

Clearly a RINO, which means he was one of you. Good job, a$$holes. 

[User]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The Secret Service has denied there was any request for additional people, and that, in fact, additional people had been assigned due to the increased tempo of events planned.

Yes, that is their claim... and we have reports stating otherwise. Lets see what an investigation shows. 

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

He was not  a liberal, he was just crazy and believed in a series of incoherent anti-government conspiracies

No, he was duped by the Biden administration and the liberal media. After years and years of calling Trump Hitler and pronouncing him a threat to this country and democracy, of course weak minded shit heads are going to flip out and try to do something. 

YOU a$$holes incited this, and YOU a$$holes will incite the next attempt. 

Edited July 14 by Deluge

[West]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

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10 minutes ago — ... shooter at former president Donald Trump's rally. ... Crooks was a registered Republican, according to the state's voter status records.

 

Voter registration in an open thing so doesn't mean anything. 

[I am Groot]

8 minutes ago, User said:

Maybe you should actually listen to what Trump said. 

You are on here pushing surface level deep fear mongering talking points to justify the stupidity of calling him Hitler and evil. 

Give me a break. 

Lets look at your first claim... that he is talking about becoming a dictator. That isn't what he said nor what he meant. He said he would be a dictator on day one in that he would be issuing executive orders like any other President does within the scope of his executive authority. This point was further clarified on Sean Hannity interview I believe. 

But yeah, you keep on pushing an obviously absurd left wing talking point.

Left wing talking points?

His previous secretary of defense, Mark Esper said he was a threat to democracy, wanted to send troops into the streets to quell demonstrations and riots and wanted to recall retired officers who criticized him to active service so they could be court-martialled. Other White house aides have also said he's a threat to democracy, like Alyssa Griffin, who said  “I saw the actual executive order at the end of the last administration, ready to go, that would remake every civil servant into a political appointee and a loyalist to Trump,”. Another White House aide, Cassidy Hutchison said "I think that Donald Trump is the most grave threat we will face to our democracy in our lifetime, and potentially in American history.”His former Chief of Staff, John Kelly said Trump admires autocrats and dictators and has nothing but contempt for democratic institutions, the constitution, and the law. His former Attorney General said Trump will bring only chaos and that he shouldn't be anywhere near the White House. His other defense secretary said "Trump is the first president president in my lifetime who doesn't try to unite the American people, does not even pretend to try. Instead he divides us."  His first secretary of state said “(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.” His National Security Advisor said “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”

These are not the Left wing speaking. 

 

[Hodad]

27 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

No. It's a lie.

And now you are blatantly lying. Blatantly. 

Trump lost the election, and tried to convince Mike Pence to simply declare him the winner or to declare a contingent election based of fake electors.

That's not a theory or an opinion. It's documented fact. 

He literally tried to overthrow democracy and seize power from the people.

It is beyond imagination that you self-proclaimed patriots could ever forgive such an action, turning your backs on your country in service of this singularly horrible man. 

Edited July 14 by Hodad