Trump shot at his own rally

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, sharkman said:

 

And here we have the blind spot of the left.  Only able to see propaganda coming from one side.  But then an event happens that embarrasses the media sources they trust, and their programming kicks in instead of critical thinking.

Like Biden's atrocious debate performance, which FORCED the media to admit something that the right has known for 3 years.  Biden has dementia.  He can't remember simple things unless he's pumped up with drugs.  The left's response is not to ask, " hey, why did my trusted news sources hide Biden's dementia from me for 3 years?".  Because hey, Trump is the next hitler, which is just another simpleton theory that can be disproved in 5 seconds. 

Keep on drinking that kool aid, bro. 

To quote from blackadder he left believes the same as the general -  "that's the spirit, if nothing else works then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through!"

[Nationalist]

32 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^These OPINIONS of yours SANS EVIDENCE just destroy your credibility.

Have you even read/watched the Jan 6th committee SWORN TESTIMONY?

Until you do, your OPINIONS are completely UNINFORMED cause all you're watching is FOS LIES.

Begged for WHAT? Trump abusing HIS power to try to overturn the election. LMAO

Lol...you'll see...

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I NEVER LIE. But you continually suffer from cognitive dissonance. AKA inability to accept REALITY.

Like Jan 6th FELONS NOT being in Rikers. LMAO

Sally...you lie as a matter of course. Why do you think so many people laugh at you?

[gatomontes99]

31 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^These OPINIONS of yours SANS EVIDENCE just destroy your credibility.

Have you even read/watched the Jan 6th committee SWORN TESTIMONY?

Until you do, your OPINIONS are completely UNINFORMED cause all you're watching is FOS LIES.

Begged for WHAT? Trump abusing HIS power to try to overturn the election. LMAO

J6 comitte has be resounding debunked. Yes I watched it. I watched the aid lie about Trump lunging at the USSS agent. I watched them mischaracterize theories and ideas that never went beyond spit balling as plans that failed. And I noted that Trump was never charged with anything related to J6.

All you have is hyperbole, exaggeration and imagination.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, User said:

This is, without a doubt, beyond ignorant. 

For sure.  And they know it. There was no possible scenario where democracy ended or even hiccuped as a result of jan6. There was no threat to democracy at all from that event. 

And if you ask them to explain the path that they thing might have lead to the downfall of democracy... they can't.  Because it doesnt' exists 

Which is the same problem they're running into now saying that trump will end democracy.  HOW? How does that work? Walk me through that process where trump becomes president and says 'that's the end of democracy" and everyone  just says 'ok, well that's too bad" and goes along with it 

ANd they can't.  It's a complete joke. 

[DUI_Offender]

This may be slightly off topic, but RFK was assassinated by a Palestinian,  who knew nothing about RFK, until he gave his unconditional support to Israel. 

 

Just one more reason Palestinians should be forbidden from entering North America. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, I am Groot said:

You mean Black people.

Not black people, stupid/gullible SJW's.

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The shooter was a registered Republican.

If you wanted to assassinate a politician, getting invites to local events and updates on the locations of rallies, etc would be beneficial. And he clearly wanted to assassinate a Republican.

Just remember, that 20 yr old was only 13 when the leftist "elites" were openly talking about assassinating Trump and the Dems were lending their tacit approval.  

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You mean in the "minds" of conspiracy kooks. 

I mean that it's quite a big deal for the FBI to get caught committing crimes and constantly lying and then setting up kidnapping plots where they get busted for entrapment and lying to social media to protect Biden, retrieve missing diaries etc, and after all that, Trump was still expected to win the 2024 election.

What more could the FBI do to prevent Trump from winning?

 

Now keep in mind that a 20 yr old geek managed to find a rooftop that basically had "PLACE SNIPER FOR TRUMP'S RALLY HERE" written on it which was somehow unprotected...

There weren't 4 such rooftops, or 157 of them, there was just one, and it was unguarded. 

There are incomprehensible failures in at least 4 separate groups of people to allow that kid to get up there:

1. Security planners: Somehow the best-trained security advisers and planners on earth failed to identify the most blatant spot within 600 yards for that sniper to camp out. It's like if there was a bell-tower across the street and no one bothered to look there. 
2. Snipers: Snipers themselves should have identified that spot as a prime location, yet they were somehow oblivious. And we know that they had line-of-sight on it because it only took a few seconds from the assassin's first shot until the SS personnel around Trump passed on the message: "The shooter is down". Snipers didn't run somehwere nearby and squeeze off a perfect shot and then get that message relayed in just a few seconds. Whoever fired the shot that killed the would-be assassin did it from the exact spot that they were in when the first shot was fired. Book it.
3. Drone teams: Of course there were several drones flying above. Hopefully not reapers armed with hellfires and chain-guns, but at the very least drones with powerful visual and infrared capabilities looking for threats in key locations. Eye-witness accounts say that the shooter was there for 2-4 minutes, and authorities right at that location were notified. No one got anything done about it.
4. On-ground personnel: The area was teeming with various paramilitary personnel and K-9 units, all with higher-than-usual stop and search authorization, but a 20 yr-old dweeb managed to wander to that building and up the side and camp out there for 2 minutes plus and then fire off 5 to 8 shots....

If there was a mayoral candidate for a top-20 city in the US holding a rally in that location, you couldn't get a sniper on the roof of that building without some kind of help from the inside. There's not even a 1% chance that guy was a lone wolf. He had help from either law enforcement or someone who worked in that building, but it it was the latter, they couldn't guarantee him a 2-4 minute window to get off a shot. This was just a mind-boggling failure of the highest order from dozens of people, in unison. 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, Five of swords said:

The thing I find so absurd about the entire discussion about this is how shocked and upset everyone pretends to be about 'political violence.

Asides from the usual Democrats - leftists - Joe Biden conspiracy shit.
Let's put truthfully:
Donald is so disgusting a person he was shot by a Republcan.

As well as his own SCOTUS stacking ruled if Biden wanted to he could've ordered Seal Team 6 to do it an wouldn't be punished, but unlike Donald he's too decent a human being to ever do anything like that.
And sure as hell wouldn't have raised his fist and urged his inflamed supporters to "Fight ON".
Want a more credible conspiracy? It was a false flag operation by Project 2025 to try to gain sympathy support.

[Five of swords]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Asides from the usual Democrats - leftists - Joe Biden conspiracy shit.
Let's put truthfully:
Donald is so disgusting a person he was shot by a Republcan.

As well as his own SCOTUS stacking ruled if Biden wanted to he could've ordered Seal Team 6 to do it an wouldn't be punished, but unlike Donald he's too decent a human being to ever do anything like that.
And sure as hell wouldn't have raised his fist and urged his inflamed supporters to "Fight ON".
Want a more credible conspiracy? It was a false flag operation by Project 2025 to try to gain sympathy support.

So...of course he could never win an election

[User]

7 minutes ago, herbie said:

Donald is so disgusting a person he was shot by a Republcan.

Do you guys practice coming up with such dumb crap to say?

How exactly was he a Republican beyond we know he was registered as one. Many people register for parties as a means to do little more than vote in the others primary or do so and don't really support the party at all, but use it as a means to elect someone because in some places you can't get elected as a D or an R. So the primary often ends up being more of a far left vs center left or far right vs center right kind of campaign. 

The question is... who did he support and what were his positions on things. 

You are doing nothing more than trying to score some cheap points on a political forum with this nonsense right now. 

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

As well as his own SCOTUS stacking ruled if Biden wanted to he could've ordered Seal Team 6 to do it an wouldn't be punished

Another completely BS load of crap. 

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

It was a false flag operation by Project 2025 to try to gain sympathy support.

Sometimes, you guys come up with new ways to push me to the limit of how much stupidity I can absorb. Congratulations. 

[herbie]

4 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

So...of course he could never win an election

Did I say that? I'm only hoping the USA has enough brains to avoid a Second National Brainfart.

I mean so many were so dead against a woman President in 2016 they elected a Real C*nt instead. 8 years later he's proven that and added that he's a miserable one to boot.

[herbie]

6 minutes ago, User said:

How exactly was he a Republican beyond we know he was registered as one.

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Biggest DUH yet.

[User]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

Biggest DUH yet.

I am the Queen of England. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, User said:

This is, without a doubt, beyond ignorant. 

But hey, lets see if you have really thought this through. I don't need a huge thesis here, just spell it out in an outline format the big picture of how that would have played out exactly. Give me some bullet points. 

 

Tabula rasa man has entered the chat! 

You could just read the memo. It's presented in bullet point format. 🙄

1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of "electors appointed" – the language of the 12th Amendment – is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe. A "majority of the electors appointed" would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe's prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote ..." Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one – a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position – that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

So your proof that Trump tried to take over the government is a memo that wasn't used, a speech that told people to march peacefully and patriotically and alternate electors that have been used dozens of times before, including JFK.

"You better fight like hell or you're not even going to have a country anymore."

[Five of swords]

13 minutes ago, herbie said:

Did I say that? I'm only hoping the USA has enough brains to avoid a Second National Brainfart.

I mean so many were so dead against a woman President in 2016 they elected a Real C*nt instead. 8 years later he's proven that and added that he's a miserable one to boot.

Well if Republicans just want to kill him then how would he win?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

too vague

Then it was fate.

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

You are suggesting that God 'protected' Trump.

Fate, God. It just wasn't his time. That bullet was meant to miss.

Some things are bigger than oneself in life.

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Iam just amused by that sort of reasoning

You don't understand it.

4 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Why did God allow Trump to get shot at in the first place?

Same reason I went through a brutal divorce before finding the right one for me.

You only see things if they are spelled out for you. I see the lessons and the opportunity in any event that occurs in my life.

Some people can find meaning in any struggle and hardship. You just see the hardship.

Like I said. Some things in life are bigger than oneself.

You mocking them doesn't change that.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trump's religious targets are Muslim.

How many has he killed?

Didn't George W Bush kill hundreds of thousands?

So how is Trump more Hitler-esque?

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Not yet.

So he will be Hitler? Am confused.

Sounds more fear mongery than actual, with your elaborating on it.

Kind of like saying if Biden is elected, the world will end.

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

paying attention.

You've yet to enumerate any. So, leaves me to feel there aren't any?

[sharkman]

23 minutes ago, herbie said:

Did I say that? I'm only hoping the USA has enough brains to avoid a Second National Brainfart.

I mean so many were so dead against a woman President in 2016 they elected a Real C*nt instead. 8 years later he's proven that and added that he's a miserable one to boot.

Get this, SFB.  This attempt on Trump seals his victory in November.  Seals it.  So you better get an emotional support animal or something, because with your extremist views you’ll end up barking at the moon with the rest of the brain dead otherwise.  Totally your call.

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Here's the thing.  If you believe that was true then you MUST believe that the democrats are 100 percent responsible for this shooting due to their rhetoric which was far worse concerning trump. Democracy is dead if trump wins, if trump wins this is the last election we ever have... blah blah blah. 

Trump himself has said the exact same thing about the Democrats. 

And there is a difference between what someone says in a tweet or on facebook or to an interviewer looking for a sound bite, and what you say in a rabble-rousing speech to people about to head over to Congress. Besides, his speech was only a small part of his election denialism, and includes his attempts to get his VP to ignore the constitution,to get fake electors to vote for him, to pressure the Georgia Secretary of State to 'find' him a few thousand more votes, and a continuous bombardment of accusations across every medium that the election had been stolen.

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Any rhetoric that you come up with for trump i can do one better from the dems. 

Doubt that's true. At least, if you want to make it any comment by any member of the Democratic party we'll have to invite the Republican cranks in alongside Trump. 

[User]

21 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Tabula rasa man has entered the chat! 

You could just read the memo. It's presented in bullet point format. 🙄

As I figured, you had not given this much thought at all. 

Perhaps you should read the memo, particularly the last section. Lots of legal presumptions there and legal theories there, they are presuming go their way. 

So... you didn't answer my question at all. Or, are you admitting that their legal theories outlined in the memo, their presumptions, are all 100% perfectly Constitutional and would have played out in their favor? 

 

 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

And here we have the blind spot of the left. 

I'm only on the Left to people who are on the Right of Hitler. Or at least holding his hand.

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

Like Biden's atrocious debate performance, which FORCED the media to admit something that the right has known for 3 years.  Biden has dementia. 

Yeah, that hasn't exactly been a secret. It also hasn't been a secret that Trump does too. But I bet you and your far-right blogosphere never talk about it and won't admit it. 

 

[sharkman]

Fun fact for critical thinkers:

The Secret Service Director was hired in 2022 by the Biden Administration.  Her previous position was head of security for:  Pepsi.

[sharkman]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'm only on the Left to people who are on the Right of Hitler. Or at least holding his hand.

Yeah, that hasn't exactly been a secret. It also hasn't been a secret that Trump does too. But I bet you and your far-right blogosphere never talk about it and won't admit it. 

 

Prove it.  Let’s see the physical manifestation of this with Trump.  No?  More propaganda with faked video nonsense.  You have no idea what the truth is, but keep breathing in that fairy dust….

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, User said:

As I figured, you had not given this much thought at all. 

Perhaps you should read the memo, particularly the last section. Lots of legal presumptions there and legal theories there, they are presuming go their way. 

So... you didn't answer my question at all. Or, are you admitting that their legal theories outlined in the memo, their presumptions, are all 100% perfectly Constitutional and would have played out in their favor? 

 

 

A. No one actually believed these were legitimate theories. Eastman himself admitted the scheme was illegal. It was a facade for a coup. Hence why Eastman asked for a pardon. 

B. I did answer your question. Nothing has to "go their way." If Pence had agreed the deed--and the damage--would have been done. 

There is no process or procedure in our system of government to respond to a coup. The founding fathers didn't account for the unimaginable. And there is no restorative remedy for a coup that has destroyed confidence to a system of government, whether it survives or not. The same fools who believe the election was stolen would have believed the coup justified. 

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Trump himself has said the exact same thing about the Democrats. And there is a difference between what someone says in a tweet or on facebook or to an interviewer looking for a sound bite, and what you say in a rabble-rousing speech to people about to head over to Congress.

The only people who would believe that are people looking to excuse the democrats.  There is no difference. Both get played on social media again and again and there's no difference in effect. 

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Besides, his speech was only a small part of his election denialism,

And? whether you argree or disagree it's pretty obvious he believes the election was stolen. He's hardly the first candidate to believe that and look for legal recourse.  He pushes the envelope a lot further and arguably over the line but it's not like anything he did was hidden or the like. 

And that's still not a good reason to advocate for the death of the president which at least one dem did. 

 

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Doubt that's true.

Try me     There's no white hats here, both sides are as bad as the other if not worse. 

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At least, if you want to make it any comment by any member of the Democratic party we'll have to invite the Republican cranks in alongside Trump. 

Sure if you like.  Which republican crank openly called for pulling biden's security so people could shoot him because he was so evil?