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SkyHigh

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  1. Though the Bible "teaches" to love thy neighbor and to try and walk your path as Christ would, we will of course agree that one of Christianities core tenants in that we are all sinners, right? The idea of a death bed confession is of course ludacris , you can't do terrible things then right before death say you love Jesus and, bang! You're saved. Now because we are all born to sin, therefore will sin , it isn't works based. The only way to be forgiven for sin (which the Bible teaches we all do) is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour. Period. Works means each individual action in this life is directly related to your "next life" . In Christianity you're "permitted" (I know that's not the best word, but you understand) to do "sinful" things as long as you ask forgiveness, and the only person you can ask forgiveness from is an itinerant, messianic, apocalyptic 1st century preacher, with little to no outside corroboration,and that my friend requires Faith.
  2. You're not living up to 1st Peter 3:15 are you now? But like the saying goes, for most religious zealots "there's no worse hate than Cristian love" Though the fact you think Christianity is a works based religion, just makes the irony and cognitive dissonance even funnier.
  3. John 14:6 I am the truth the way and the light, no comes to the father except through me. We could go back and forth for days, I'm not interested. I think it's all a plagiarized fairy tale. My point was if you affirm your interpretation is the only interpretation you are explicitly claiming to have the truth of what God ment therefore you're saying you know the mind of God
  4. Are you presuming you know the mind of God?
  5. Apologies if you think I'm being purposely obtrusive, but I don't think you care about truth. I believe you've made up your mind based on the few sources that agree with what you already believed, and honestly question your cognitive capabilities. Either way I'm not interested in continuing discourse with you. Take care
  6. I think you'd be surprised. I had the opportunity to grow up in foster care so I saw many different family units. Two in particular I think are relevant. The first devoted Catholics (I was an alter server and had my feet washed), the second a fundamentalist Baptist (I taught Sunday school for the little ones) Two very different views of scripture, yet both the best possible versions of what a Cristian is supposed/called to be. It makes me laugh thinking they would have hated each other. Anyway I've read and studied the Bible with many theologians and continue to do so. You seem to focus only on the teachings of the Catholic Church. A closed mind can never be open to the true word of God
  7. And see there lies the problem, that's your understanding. Not only are there thousands of different denominations of Christianity , but the person on the pew next to you has their own interpretation, to the point you accuse each other of perversion , heresy and not being true Christians. No all loving, all knowing, all powerful God, would let those who have accepted Jesus as their lord and saviour fight and kill over semantics. You may be right, but claiming it only applies to your God is the definition of special pleading. Just trying to explain it to you, you accused me of committing a logical fallacy without explaining how, then I literally made you commit one to illustrate.
  8. And that is special pleading. Giving different (or special) attributes to one thing and not others
  9. Ok you're obviously not actually trying to respond to what I'm writing and maybe not even reading it in good faith, you're more interested it spouting your retoric. I am not interested in those types of conversations. I hope you have a great night 😁 I asked you a question If everything is created who created god?
  10. I'm not going to do a Bible study with you, but the fact that you can interpret the "word of God" ,in so many different ways on its own, proves a tri Omni god can't exist
  11. I'd be interested to have you expand on where my reasoning was faulty. That's not what special pleading is. The best way to explain it to would be by asking you a question, so here goes (please answer). If everything is created who created god? We'll get back to that. The development of empathy was just an example of the evolution we've gone through as a species and totally irrelevant to atheism. In fact atheism has nothing to say about morality. Furthermore the concept of rules and laws existed in societies well before Abrahamic religions, as well as during and then continuously throughout history Nothing you're saying is specific to your version of God, nor is it specific to your moral system
  12. Now you're being dishonest. I have never said you were wrong in believing what you believe, nor have I said I'm not open to the possibility that you're right. In fact I spoke about being home schooled with creationist material, I told you previously about my knowledge of the Bible and past as a believer My whole point was and is you don't even know what evolution says so how can you say it's false. Go on Amazon buy a used textbook from an accredited institute of higher education first year biology and try to understand what the other side is actually saying.
  13. Continuing to use the term Darwinism makes me believe you're not trying to have a good faith argument. No need to respond directly to this, the truth of my statement will be reflected in your verbiage going forward. Back to the topic, could God not have created the earth to evolve as science suggests? I'm speaking solely on the idea of evolution by natural selection. I am not speaking about how life began or the big bang. Just evolution
  14. These are all things that I lack the knowledge to refute, and you don't even understand, so I'm not going to waste my time or yours debating them. I will remind you that my views happen to align with virtually every expert, in every relevant field. Though I'd bet that if you googled each of them, they all have a recognized professional that could explain every one of them.
  15. This again proves my point, you not only don't read the literature by professionals you deny they even exist. I'm not sure you understand science as a whole or how it expresses to help us understand what's going on around us. You seem to think science is against religion. It is not. Science just can not add god into the equation until it can measured in repeatable way. In fact science makes no claims about any God at all. I have researched your side , I grew up listening to Kent Hovind and the like, I've read so many of the apologetics on the subject and I've actually read the Bible not just the parts pastors like to cherry pick from the pulpit. You on the other hand, not only do you refuse to read the material written by qualified biologists, paleontologists, anthropologists, etc., who studied years specifically related to evolution, you actually try and say there's no such things as an "evolution scientist" Serious question, could you help me understand why you think evolution goes against your God? I'm much more interested in that than us debating an issue we're both ignorant on, if you don't mind I'd love having a discussion on that.
  16. You're getting closer, at least this time guy has a legitimate degree in science, only problem is that it's in chemistry. He specialized in the electromagnetic spectra of light, nothing to do with evolution. He's seems to be a very smart man and I would probably listen to anything he says about chess, but he's as reliable on evolutionary biology as my aforementioned mechanic You do realize that even in the same field, those who studied in the sciences have specialties right ? For example if your foot hurts you don't go to someone who studied otolaryngology you go to someone who studied podiatry and they're both doctors. Yet you take the word (and expect others to as well) of someone that studied something entirely unrelated to evolution? I had to make an edit because I just saw your last post. The other guy that wrote that book is a horticulturelist, again nothing to do with evolution.
  17. Watching you two go back and forth with such contempt for each other, over what is for all intent and purpose, the same religion just shows how silly the idea of a tri omni god is. Please continue though, your hard work is bringing people out of the darkness of religion better than any atheist could.
  18. I never said anything about an imaginary sky fairy, I said god is unfalsifiable, there is a huge difference and was in no way ment to be derogatory. You're right we don't know if there is a creator or not and I will never say that anyone should not have the right to proclaim either. I personally only accept what can be quantified, tangible, known to affect our reality. I don't justify my morals on scientific faith, that concept of scientific faith is oxymoronic in its self. We agree virtually everything about the way the universe functions, the only difference is theists add another entity to explain what we haven't yet understood. Which is the complete opposite of Occam's razor. In more pragmatic ways can you explain to me why you think you need God?
  19. I'm not looking to convert anyone to anything, I'm all about live and let live. I just think discussions should be based on fact It's funny your bully story sounds like you're describing the god of the Bible. But I digress, Inherently there may be nothing wrong with it, but non sociopaths with empathy will see that you're causing harm and then the whole neighborhood, one dude with a big stick or a peace officer will come and take care of you. We call those laws, no god needed
  20. You're proving my point, you're using someone with Zero scientific training to debunk science. My mechanic is great but I don't go to him for medical advice. Show me an evolutionary biologists that supports your conclusions
  21. I agree that the want to understand the big questions like the "purpose of life" is hardwired but I believe the concept of God is just a easy out to explain things our feeble minds can't comprehend On the "idea" of God I would consider myself an igtheist in that I find it entirely incoherent, as far as the god concepts I've been presented I would consider myself a hard atheist even antitheist depending on the religion. I also agree we should always seek answers on better ways of living and doing and thinking, but I think we should look inward and not to some unfalsifiable entity. I don't believe that the god as defined in the Bible is a moral being. I think humanism that has no concern about which god you pray but to how you interact with society is a much better way to find the solutions to the issues we agree on.
  22. By reading religious texts, for example the Vedas speak about every action in this physical life will have consequences on your next physical life or reincarnation (Works) , while the Bible teaches the ONLY way for your physical body to get to the next level is believing/accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour,(Faith )this life is but rags as the book says Confucius said "do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself " around 500 BCE. First Judeo-Christian is a modern term coined to fight fascism in the 19 hundreds. Second, it's just one of the multitude of religious that have appropriated the evolutionary social behaviors that produce the best results, ie: humanism I think I already did but here goes. Lets go back to basics, if I punch someone in the face without the prior knowledge of what the consequences and effects might be, but I have empathy, I will be able to see that I've caused the other person pain/harm ,and not wanting said pain/harm inflicted on me I will refrain from punching others
  23. First off, calling you ignorant is not an insult, ignorance is simply defined as a lack of knowledge or information and you have demonstrated that fact in abundance. The amount of things I or anyone else is ignorant of are astronomical. No , you can't just make up your own definitions to complex ideas then debunk your own nonsense. That called making a strawman argument, which is a logical fallacy. I know you don't understand the theory of evolution because you use terms like Darwinism. Since Charlie documented his birds, we've discovered genetics, the mathematics of quantifiable analysis of large populations, ERVs, etc... Calling the theory of evolution Darwinism is like calling the theory of gravity Newtonism, or calling displacement theory Archimedism. In fact you still have yet to summarize the theory of evolution into anything that even gets close to what the scientists that have studied this for years would use. In conclusion if you're not even willing to look into what the other side is actually saying, maybe do a little research or just don't speak on the subject. But again thanks for helping convert more people to atheism.
  24. I appreciate your thoughtful response, but will admit being confused with the references to Marxism, as I don't see the relevance of one's political position to their metaphysical views I will confess a certain ignorance to philosophy particularly metaphysics, as a pragmatist I personally don't understand the need to ask myself questions to which there are no answers. The idea of an ultimate/higher power for our moral intuition to me is unnecessary. First, by simply reading different religious texts it clearly shows that they are not compatible, ie: a works religion (Hindu) vs. one of faith (Christianity). Second, Altruism can be found solely through selfishness, I don't like being harmed so I won't harm others. Our evolutionary development has hard wired us into having empathy. No god needed
  25. No sir , I asked you to define evolution in the way biologists do . You couldn't, therefore anything you say is the literal definition of ignorant.
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