Nationalist Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 17 hours ago, herbie said: If you imply that any group of people walking naked down the street for any reason are perverts, you are the one defective not them. What horseshit. No kidding...utter horseshit. 2 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Ok cool. Uh huh. Quote 3. Yes please, and when I respond I'll apologize if I insulted any poster directly. Dude you JUST insinuated that i'm a racist and a homophobe in another thread rather than address the issue. like 5 minutes ago. Mike. You are not a conservative. You are at best a moderate liberal. 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 17 hours ago, Venandi said: But since you brought it up, I think you left out a few things: It also tends to exalt race above the individual Imma stop you there: say what you will about the leftist tendency to sort people by group identities, but there's absolutely no similarity with the fascist impulse to create a hierarchy of racial supremacy and its stupid to pretend there is. Quote and tends to favour a centralized autocratic government willing to impose its will on others and do it in an arrogant / domineering manner. It includes regimentation and suppression of opposition, and usually includes deference to ruling elites.... ring any bells? LOL LOL LOL LOL Yeah that just sounds like every authoritarian ideology under the sun. If you're going to throw the F word around, at least show some understanding of what makes it unique. The trouble is, once you start doing that your whole "leftism is fascism" schtick crumbles because fascism is fundamentally a right wing ideology, more GOP then ANTIFA. Edited July 3 by Black Dog 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 23 hours ago, User said: Seems you have not read it then... Either way, the discussion was not really about your thoughts on the Bible. You can think whatever ignorant things you like. The point being made was that, at least in America, you have Religious Freedom and can read The Bible in school. So it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery? Cheat on all three wives with the next one? You can beat a slave as long as you don't kill them? Lot's daughters drugging their father and having their way with him? Why are their so many Christians that have never red their own holy book? Maybe you should go out; feed the poor, heal the sick, help thy neighbor? Good Christian stuff, no this Christian Nationalist crap. Quote
Moonbox Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 On 7/1/2024 at 10:33 AM, User said: Something is either right or wrong on its own... trying to change the subject to me is just a disingenuous tactic to avoid having to condemn the clearly condemnable. Some things are inherently wrong, like murder, rape and stealing. Some things are a matter of perspective, like premarital sex, abortion, divorce, gay marriage etc. When someone dresses up as a dog and let's a kid pet them, I imagine they're having their heads pat or something like that - silly, harmless fun. You, on the other hand, make it sound like they're angling for a reach-around. Perspective. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 13 hours ago, blackbird said: Not sure how you equate conservatism with Fascism. fas·cism [ˈfaSHˌizəm] noun an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. There is no similarity to Fascism and the Conservative Party in Canada and definitely no similarity to social Conservativism. You do not appear to have any idea what you are talking about. We have an authoritarian type of government now in Canada. The imposition of carbon taxes on everyone is an authoritarian measure and it is a scam. The controls imposed on the internet is another authoritarian law. Imposing SOGI on young people in the public school system is authoritarian and forcing a certain liberal-progressive ideology on them. Fascism is a far right philosophy. Again, you're falling for the one of the key tenants of Fascism. Accuse the other side to which you yourself are guilty of." Hitler was a fascist! 1. He believed in one religion. 2. He loved Capitalism and even privatized many Publically owned companies. 3. He convinced; Christian, white Germans that they were better than everyone else. 4. He killed; communists, homosexuals, people with disabilities, people who weren't Christian. 5. He took control of the media and promoted his weird, disgusting propaganda. Quote
Goddess Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Actually, they legalised going topless in Ontario, unless it is for purposes of selling sex. Yes, I know. People went apeshit and it went to court. I'll also add the "controversy" over breast-feeding in public. But men walking down the street with their dingalings flopping around in front of children is not only just fine, but is to be praised. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 Just now, CrazyCanuck89 said: So it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery? Cheat on all three wives with the next one? You can beat a slave as long as you don't kill them? Lot's daughters drugging their father and having their way with him? Why are their so many Christians that have never red their own holy book? Maybe you should go out; feed the poor, heal the sick, help thy neighbor? Good Christian stuff, no this Christian Nationalist crap. What makes you ask me if it is OK to sell my daughter into slavery? What makes you ask me if it is OK to cheat on all three wives with the next one? What makes you ask me if it is OK to beat a slave as long I they are not killed? You don't seem to be very familiar with how things ended for Lot's lineage... not does The Biblical story offer any moral condoning of what Lot's daughters did. It was merely an account of what was done, which did not turn out too well for them nor do Jews or Christians look on that story as anything other than an example of immorality and the problems of being drunk as well. I am a bit confused now, as you just got done showing your ignorance and bigotry towards Christianity and now... you say go out and do Good Christian stuff? Being a Christian is based on what we know of Jesus as told in The Bible. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: no similarity with the fascist impulse to create a hierarchy of racial supremacy and its stupid to pretend there is. And yet, that identity grouping is much more, it is a hierarchy of victimhood that the left pushes special treatments to give out to them, special rules, laws, and privileges for them that puts them above others. 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: The trouble is, once you start doing that your whole "leftism is fascism" The only issue here is one of sematics. Fine, you don't like the term fascism, then we will use the term authoritarianism. When the lefts brand of authoritarianism isn't much different than fascism... Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 29 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Some things are inherently wrong, like murder, rape and stealing. Some things are a matter of perspective, like premarital sex, abortion, divorce, gay marriage etc. When someone dresses up as a dog and let's a kid pet them, I imagine they're having their heads pat or something like that - silly, harmless fun. You, on the other hand, make it sound like they're angling for a reach-around. Perspective. We are not talking about folks dressed up like a dog for Halloween... we are talking about clearly sexualized fetish level leather and chains... But yeah, sure, lets pretend like it is all just in good fun... what you are doing here isn't honest. Nothing sexualized about these outfits... at all. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Black Dog Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 19 minutes ago, User said: And yet, that identity grouping is much more, it is a hierarchy of victimhood that the left pushes special treatments to give out to them, special rules, laws, and privileges for them that puts them above others. Wait till you hear about what the fascist did with the hierarchy of racial order, it will blow your tiny mind. Quote The only issue here is one of sematics. Fine, you don't like the term fascism, then we will use the term authoritarianism. Yes semantics is assigning things their proper meaning, thanks for playing. Quote When the lefts brand of authoritarianism isn't much different than fascism... Even if I were to concede the existence of "left authoritarianism" (and I do not), the entire point here is it's nothing like fascism, which is, again, a right wing ideology. Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
CITIZEN_2015 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: In theory or practice? There are lots of examples of the system punishing white 🤍 collar crimes more lightly than you'd think, for example. But justice is an amorphous value. I'd say anyone discussing that has to agree, just to talk about the topic. In practice. It is about the topic. The march with naked men should not have been allowed or those who did it in public should have been arrested like a straight march would have been. Everyone should be equal before the law. No privileged consideration. Edited July 3 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Black Dog Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 21 minutes ago, User said: We are not talking about folks dressed up like a dog for Halloween... we are talking about clearly sexualized fetish level leather and chains... But yeah, sure, lets pretend like it is all just in good fun... what you are doing here isn't honest. Nothing sexualized about these outfits... at all. Do you have a solution here or are you. just crying for the sake of crying? Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
blackbird Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 57 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Fascism is a far right philosophy. Again, you're falling for the one of the key tenants of Fascism. Accuse the other side to which you yourself are guilty of." Hitler was a fascist! 1. He believed in one religion. 2. He loved Capitalism and even privatized many Publically owned companies. 3. He convinced; Christian, white Germans that they were better than everyone else. 4. He killed; communists, homosexuals, people with disabilities, people who weren't Christian. 5. He took control of the media and promoted his weird, disgusting propaganda. Right. That has nothing to do with social conservatives or conservatism in Canada. Social conservatives don't believe in Fascism. I think I already said what social conservatives believe. First and foremost they believe in Christian principles, which involves worshiping the true God of the Bible and shunning evil. They believe in less government control and they believe in freedom and free enterprise as all conservatives do. Quote
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 17 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Wait till you hear about what the fascist did with the hierarchy of racial order, it will blow your tiny mind. I am not here defending them like you are the left... 18 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Even if I were to concede the existence of "left authoritarianism" (and I do not), the entire point here is it's nothing like fascism, which is, again, a right wing ideology. Authoritarianism is neither right wing nor left wing, Fascism is one form of it, but the left can also be as well. There is a pretty large overlap on the Venn diagram between authoritarianism and fascism. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Dougie93 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 11 minutes ago, blackbird said: Right. That has nothing to do with social conservatives or conservatism in Canada. Social conservatives don't believe in Fascism. I think I already said what social conservatives believe. First and foremost they believe in Christian principles, which involves worshiping the true God of the Bible and shunning evil. They believe in less government control and they believe in freedom and free enterprise as all conservatives do. Fascism is simply an evolution of Romanism note where all the Fascist regimes originate therein ; Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Southern Germany, Latin America Edited July 3 by Dougie93 Quote
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 33 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Do you have a solution here or are you. just crying for the sake of crying? Why are you crying about it? Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Michael Hardner Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 37 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: 1. In practice. 2. It is about the topic. The march with naked men should not have been allowed or those who did it in public should have been arrested like a straight march would have been. 3. Everyone should be equal before the law. No privileged consideration. 1. Ok. 2. They don't arrest straight people for nudity all the time either. 3. To me this is the problem with videos, they don't provide a wide enough context to the public sphere. If you were naked, they might ask you to put clothes on or get arrested. If you were naked as a group of people at a protest, I doubt they would do that. I have some examples on that. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
DUI_Offender Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Yes, I know. People went apeshit and it went to court. I'll also add the "controversy" over breast-feeding in public. But men walking down the street with their dingalings flopping around in front of children is not only just fine, but is to be praised. Yes it's bizarre the way society has gone... 1 Quote
Black Dog Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 29 minutes ago, User said: I am not here defending them like you are the left... I'm not defending anything here, just pointing out the idea of leftist fascism is retarded. Quote Authoritarianism is neither right wing nor left wing, Fascism is one form of it, but the left can also be as well. You said "the lefts brand of authoritarianism isn't much different than fascism". That's fundamentally incorrect. Quote There is a pretty large overlap on the Venn diagram between authoritarianism and fascism. Yes fascism is an authoritarian ideology, so is juche, but they aren't the same thing. 18 minutes ago, User said: Why are you crying about it? I'm not crying about anything, you're having a hissy fit over people bringing their kids to Pride events, so I'll ask again: what do you want to do about it? 1 Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 31 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I'm not defending anything here, just pointing out the idea of leftist fascism is retarded. No, you were trying to claim: "what you will about the leftist tendency to sort people by group identities, but there's absolutely no similarity with the fascist impulse to create a hierarchy of racial supremacy and its stupid to pretend there is." Then I said: "And yet, that identity grouping is much more, it is a hierarchy of victimhood that the left pushes special treatments to give out to them, special rules, laws, and privileges for them that puts them above others. " 33 minutes ago, Black Dog said: You said "the lefts brand of authoritarianism isn't much different than fascism". That's fundamentally incorrect. No, it is not fundamentally incorrect. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, regardless of political ideology. 33 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Yes fascism is an authoritarian ideology, so is juche, but they aren't the same thing. Have you not heard of a Venn diagram before? I did not say they were the same thing. Its like saying there is a lot of overlap between a truck and a car... I did not say a truck and a car were the same thing, but they have a lot of similarities. 35 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I'm not crying about anything, you're having a hissy fit over people bringing their kids to Pride events, so I'll ask again: what do you want to do about it? You are still crying right now. Look at this hissy fit you are throwing. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 2 hours ago, User said: What makes you ask me if it is OK to sell my daughter into slavery? What makes you ask me if it is OK to cheat on all three wives with the next one? What makes you ask me if it is OK to beat a slave as long I they are not killed? You don't seem to be very familiar with how things ended for Lot's lineage... not does The Biblical story offer any moral condoning of what Lot's daughters did. It was merely an account of what was done, which did not turn out too well for them nor do Jews or Christians look on that story as anything other than an example of immorality and the problems of being drunk as well. I am a bit confused now, as you just got done showing your ignorance and bigotry towards Christianity and now... you say go out and do Good Christian stuff? Being a Christian is based on what we know of Jesus as told in The Bible. The Bible says it, should we ignore that verse? Edited July 3 by CrazyCanuck89 Quote
CrazyCanuck89 Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Right. That has nothing to do with social conservatives or conservatism in Canada. Social conservatives don't believe in Fascism. I think I already said what social conservatives believe. First and foremost they believe in Christian principles, which involves worshiping the true God of the Bible and shunning evil. They believe in less government control and they believe in freedom and free enterprise as all conservatives do. Social Conservatism= Control Fascism= Control Whether you like it or not, Fascism is a right wing philosophy. Quote
User Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 15 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: The Bible says it, should we ignore that verse? The Bible says what, how, in what context? As the one specific example you mentioned illustrated, with Lot, you clearly have little more than what appears to be the average surface-level deep talking points you are parroting off of someone somewhere without much more thought given to them. Quote LOL, when people have to tell you they are ignoring you... From Robosmith: "IGNORE AWARDED DUE TO WORTHLESS POSTS. BYE."
Black Dog Posted July 3 Report Posted July 3 (edited) 48 minutes ago, User said: No, you were trying to claim: "what you will about the leftist tendency to sort people by group identities, but there's absolutely no similarity with the fascist impulse to create a hierarchy of racial supremacy and its stupid to pretend there is." Then I said: "And yet, that identity grouping is much more, it is a hierarchy of victimhood that the left pushes special treatments to give out to them, special rules, laws, and privileges for them that puts them above others. " Yes, thanks for clarifying why what you said is retarded. A "hierarchy of racial supremacy" and "a hierarchy of victimhood" are not equivalent, Quote No, it is not fundamentally incorrect. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, regardless of political ideology. No this is a simpleton's way of viewing the world. Authoritarian ideologies may share certain characteristics, but that onlty reinforces the importance of highlighting the differences. Quote Have you not heard of a Venn diagram before? I did not say they were the same thing. Its like saying there is a lot of overlap between a truck and a car... I did not say a truck and a car were the same thing, but they have a lot of similarities. Except in this case I was describing the things that make a car a car and you came along with "but have you considered trucks?" who cares, it's irrelevant. Quote You are still crying right now. Look at this hissy fit you are throwing. lol: On 7/1/2024 at 8:05 AM, User said: The LGBTQ movement has always been intertwined with sexual deviancy and debauchery. Why they feel the need to drag children into all of this... well, I have my beliefs behind their motives. It is because children can be influenced and they seek their approval. My 'favorite' are the sick adults who play "pup play" dressed up in leather, like dogs, and then let the children pet them. They are using children for their perverse pleasure. The fact that the movement at large doesn't condemn this shit or demand it is relegated to adult-themed events only is a disgrace. On 7/1/2024 at 11:06 AM, User said: This is the game folks play. He did this in another thread last week where it was a scantly clad dude/woman at a Draq show with boobs out and a G-string with money hanging out of it with a child. They can't condemn the easily condemnable, so they obfuscate instead. 2 hours ago, User said: We are not talking about folks dressed up like a dog for Halloween... we are talking about clearly sexualized fetish level leather and chains... But yeah, sure, lets pretend like it is all just in good fun... what you are doing here isn't honest. Nothing sexualized about these outfits... at all. Blooo blooo bloo. I also not you can't answer the question I spoon fed you. Edited July 3 by Black Dog Quote "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Francis M. Wilhoit
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