Moonbox Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: That just isn't guaranteed. Any of the brand name liberals that have any kind of recognition in Canada are completely tainted with Justin and it would take a lot of effort to get people to overlook that. Why would you go with a name brand Liberal? That would defeat the purpose of dropping Justin. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 25 Author Report Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Why would you go with a name brand Liberal? That would defeat the purpose of dropping Justin. So your thinking is that a person who is politically unknown, and who has no current ties with the liberal party infrastructure which would allow them to put together a winning team, and who has never fought elections should go up against believer with literally no time to prepare and that's a good idea The short answer is that being PM is not an entry level job. They would be almost guaranteed to fail worse than justin. Justin at least still has loyal fans and knows how to run a campaign if nothing else. Not to mention that the leader of the party has tremendous power within the party. You think those people are going to want some newbie who doesn't know crap calling the shots, setting their budgets and deciding if they're going to sign their nomination papers? This is what the liberals tried with Mike Ignatieff who was supposed to be the white knight outsider who would sweep in and win the hearts and minds of people etc. It was their worst showing ever. They didn't even make official opposition. Mikey talks about it in one of his books, even internal party politics are cuthroat. And the party is in worse shape now than it was then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) 54 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There hasn't been three terms of either since long before the 90s. ROFLMAO!!! But hey, thank's for showing up and giving us all a laugh and pointing out you're dumber than a brick Give it up butter cup. Harper won 3 Chretien won 3 majority elections. Oh and Justin of course won 3. ...We all know you are a closet Justin lover LOL After the 90's Caught in your lyin BS again loser. Seems to me that "you're dumber than a brick" LOL. But hey...a loser is always a loser Edited June 25 by ExFlyer Quote The truth does not require participation to exist. Bullshit does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Why would you go with a name brand Liberal? That would defeat the purpose of dropping Justin. I think it would safe to bet, that regardless who runs for the liberals it is going to be a bloodbath, people want change and right at this time that change is falling on PP due to lack of choices......if the liberals were smart they would let one of their expendable name brands take the election...the barn is already burning so let it burn... Then bring in a fresh face with a brand new plan and direction...for the next election 2029....there is no way PP is going to be able to act fast enough to fix everything that Justin broke...some Canadians might hold that against him....enough to bring back those swing votes..and put the liberals back on the map... Of course in my own head i hope the Liberals get burnt to the ground...smashed into pieces...of course lets not forget the NDP smash them as well, smash them so bad it is going to take a real leader with real leadership skills, to rebuild them from the ashes...And while hell would have to freeze over before i voted for the left ....i would vote for someone with a plan to unite Canada, and have the necessary leadership skills to do that, and rebuild canada into something it once was... It could happen...That's my dream let me have this, one time... 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 23 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So your thinking is that a person who is politically unknown, and who has no current ties with the liberal party infrastructure which would allow them to put together a winning team, and who has never fought elections should go up against believer with literally no time to prepare and that's a good idea I think a hamster would do better for the Liberals in an election than Justin Trudeau, or one of his cabinet members. Folks could also reasonably expect that a hamster would do a better job running the country. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 (edited) I got just the right hamster as well...of course he is no liberal.....but then again neither was justin...he's smart, fit, and can box better than justin his only weakness is lady hamsters...but other than that he is workable... Edited June 25 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 I'm happy the Liberals lost this one but the ballot was literally huge. You can see it on the link below. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/longest-ballot-federal-election-history-1.7233252 Candidates galore! Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Why was it a shock? Don't even believe the polls you guys have been quoting incessantly? It's was a by-election and the shock is that they barely won it. I was expecting a 10-15% margin at least. By-elections often go against a standing govt over the slightest annoyance at it. Seems a shallow upset with the level of annoyance at Trudeau being reported. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 30 minutes ago, herbie said: Why was it a shock? Don't even believe the polls you guys have been quoting incessantly? It's was a by-election and the shock is that they barely won it. I was expecting a 10-15% margin at least. By-elections often go against a standing govt over the slightest annoyance at it. Seems a shallow upset with the level of annoyance at Trudeau being reported. Not really, it survived both dion and Ignitieff. This is huge. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 I don't see the point of Prime Minister Trudeau stepping down. It won't change the result because he is still more popular than the potential replacements. For him personally, he should be working to at least get enough seats to form the official opposition. That way, he can watch Mr. Polievre come to grips with being PM and make the new Prime Minister's life "interesting." Remember MacMillain's response, "Events, dear boy, events." Leader of the opposition is a lot better job than Prime Minister. No stress, no accountability. And who knows what the next election will bring. MacDonald lost and then came back. MacKenzie King lost and came back. It is amazing how the most hated politicians become respected statesmen with the passage of time. Diefenbaker, Mulroney, and a few people are even saying a few nice things about Harper. My disclaimer will not come as a surprise. I do not believe my scenario will have any relation to reality, aside from the probability that whether the Prime Minister steps down or not, the electoral result will be the same. Why shouldn't he stay in office until the election? 1 Quote A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Give it up butter cup. Harper won 3 Chretien won 3 majority elections. Oh and Justin of course won 3. ...We all know you are a closet Justin lover LOL Ahhh no. Justin won three elections. Not three terms. A term is 5 years with an election held after the 4th year or more specifically on the third Monday in October in the fourth calendar year following the previous general election. Which is why the last election being 2020 the next one is 2025. IF an election is called early then it's considered an early election and that term was not completed. So 3 terms would be 12 years absolute minimum if the timing was perfect, less than 15. Justin has been in power for 8 years, he first won at the end of 2015. LOL - you thought an election was the same thing as a term didn't you HAHAHA ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Wow. We can always count on you to out-dumb yourself as soon as your dumb is pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venandi Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 9 hours ago, herbie said: ... the shock is that they barely won it. I was expecting a 10-15% margin at least. By-elections often go against a standing govt over the slightest annoyance at it. Seems a shallow upset with the level of annoyance at Trudeau being reported. I admit to being surprised as well. It was 15,555 to 14,965, a difference of less than 2% in support and Liberals held the lead until the 189th poll (of 192 available). I'm certainly no analyst, a win is a win and I suppose it could be said that a loss in this riding raises the possibility of liberals losing each and every seat in the country (good news IMO) but still, the margin (to me) is surprising. Maybe not a surprise to people who follow these events more closely that I do, but I would have bet the farm on there being far less liberal support than what there clearly turned out to be. It makes me wonder how much is enough and what it takes for people to be utterly horrified and viscerally repelled by the actions of their government. It's actually scary to consider the idea that almost 41% of voters in that riding wanted more of JT, more of the current Liberal government and more of the destructive policies they champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, Venandi said: I admit to being surprised as well. It was 15,555 to 14,965, a difference of less than 2% in support and Liberals held the lead until the 189th poll (of 192 available). That's actually a pretty solid win. For a riding anything over 100 votes is considered a clear victory. Quote I'm certainly no analyst, a win is a win and I suppose it could be said that a loss in this riding raises the possibility of liberals losing each and every seat in the country (good news IMO) but still, the margin (to me) is surprising. I"m not sure what you were expecting? That was a pretty major upset that even the conservatives didn't expect. They were going to say it was a major victory if they LOST by that much, and they'd have been right. Quote Maybe not a surprise to people who follow these events more closely that I do, but I would have bet the farm on there being far less liberal support than what there clearly turned out to be. It makes me wonder how much is enough and what it takes for people to be utterly horrified and viscerally repelled by the actions of their government. The liberals have held that riding very tightly for over 20 years. It was considered a safe seat. Let me put it in perspective - imagine there was a federal election tomorrow and just over 50 percent of the seats in alberta went to the liberals. Now you'd say "wow the libs didn't win the province by MUCH" - but it would still be a hell of a shocker. It's like that. Quote It's actually scary to consider the idea that almost 41% of voters in that riding wanted more of JT, more of the current Liberal government and more of the destructive policies they champion. There are a lot of brainwashed people out there. Some just vote liberal because they always have and daddy told them to etc. And some believe the left wing propaganda that Polievre is an ultra right neo nazi who will end all abortions, increase global warming by 50%, throw gays and trans people from the highest building in the city, create a new Spanish Inquisition and demand all people be Christians, and be really mean to puppies. Do you want to bring back slavery? Because that's how you bring back slavery. Which is why the breakthrough in toronto was so amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 20 hours ago, CdnFox said: being PM is not an entry level job. Yaaaasssss! Same for cabinet members - No more wedding buddies & family friends & journalists masquerading as Finance ministers. We entrust elected officials with our hard-earned money, billions of dollars. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: Of course in my own head i hope the Liberals get burnt to the ground...smashed into pieces...of course lets not forget the NDP smash them as well, smash them so bad it is going to take a real leader with real leadership skills, to rebuild them from the ashes... Hopefully it'll take someone that doesn't rise to the occasion simply because they're not Poilievre when it's his turn to be the focus of discontent. 19 hours ago, Army Guy said: And while hell would have to freeze over before i voted for the left ....i would vote for someone with a plan to unite Canada, and have the necessary leadership skills to do that, and rebuild canada into something it once was... It could happen...That's my dream let me have this, one time... The future is in the opposite direction. Canada's natural governing ideology is progressive. It's always been two steps forward and one back. As for Hell freezing over I suspect climate change will keep things cozy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hopefully it'll take someone that doesn't rise to the occasion simply because they're not Poilievre when it's his turn to be the focus of discontent. historically people will not switch their vote unless there is a viable alternative. It is a common myth that people vote governments out, but they won't do that unless there is someone to vote in. People were discontent with Trudeau in 2019 and in 2021, but they didn't vote him out. Poilievre is actually fairly popular and even people that don't like him are believing that he will make a positive change. Quote The future is in the opposite direction. Canada's natural governing ideology is progressive. It's always been two steps forward and one back. Absolutely false. First off, canada's natural governing ideology has always been whatever makes Ontario and Quebec happy. However the population in the west has grown to the point where you can no longer win a majority government without strong western representation, and that trend will continue. The west already has more seats than Quebec and that will just become more pronounced over the next 10 years. Second The last 10 years has severely soured an entire generation on going woke. More and more they're going to be looking for responsible governments that keep spending under control and improve rather than destroy quality of life. We saw that after the last Trudeau to a degree and it'll be even more pronounced this time. Chretien wasn't exactly a progressive. So the future is probably going to look a lot more like two steps forward and three steps back for progressives. You losers really shat the bed this time Quote As for Hell freezing over I suspect climate change will keep things cozy. There CAN'T be global warming - I paid my carbon tax! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 33 minutes ago, Goddess said: Same for cabinet members - No more wedding buddies & family friends & journalists masquerading as Finance ministers. We entrust elected officials with our hard-earned money, billions of dollars. Convicted of mischief, this eco-terrorist was appointed as Minister of Environment . . . wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 Just now, Nefarious Banana said: Convicted of mischief, this eco-terrorist was appointed as Minister of Environment . . . wtf For the liberals being a corrupt and dishonest person is pretty much a prerequisite to getting hired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: That way, he can watch Mr. Polievre come to grips with being PM and make the new Prime Minister's life "interesting." Shouldn't their priority be serving Canadian's interests, not revenge? 1 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefarious Banana Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 14 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: I don't see the point of Prime Minister Trudeau stepping down. It won't change the result because he is still more popular than the potential replacements. For him personally, he should be working to at least get enough seats to form the official opposition. That way, he can watch Mr. Polievre come to grips with being PM and make the new Prime Minister's life "interesting." So says 'the sheep in sheep's clothing' . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 52 minutes ago, eyeball said: Hopefully it'll take someone that doesn't rise to the occasion simply because they're not Poilievre when it's his turn to be the focus of discontent. The future is in the opposite direction. Canada's natural governing ideology is progressive. It's always been two steps forward and one back. As for Hell freezing over I suspect climate change will keep things cozy. I think Canadians are done with anything progressive, it is time to return things to the center, maybe a little to the right got to give the progressives something to complain about... Canada has taken 10 steps backwards, already... I like cozy... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: I don't see the point of Prime Minister Trudeau stepping down. It won't change the result because he is still more popular than the potential replacements. For him personally, he should be working to at least get enough seats to form the official opposition. That way, he can watch Mr. Polievre come to grips with being PM and make the new Prime Minister's life "interesting." Remember MacMillain's response, "Events, dear boy, events." Leader of the opposition is a lot better job than Prime Minister. No stress, no accountability. And who knows what the next election will bring. MacDonald lost and then came back. MacKenzie King lost and came back. It is amazing how the most hated politicians become respected statesmen with the passage of time. Diefenbaker, Mulroney, and a few people are even saying a few nice things about Harper. My disclaimer will not come as a surprise. I do not believe my scenario will have any relation to reality, aside from the probability that whether the Prime Minister steps down or not, the electoral result will be the same. Why shouldn't he stay in office until the election? At some point in his life he has to ask WHY...why would your effort be worth staying in power of a country that actually does not even like you, he is harassed and shouted down at all most all of his events...he can't go out by himself to enjoy a simple meal, without getting heckled...SO why would he unless he is pised off, and wants to Rub Canadians faces in his presence as long as possible....I personal would just resign and start rebuilding his life after politics...it's not like he has to finish off some legacy project or something... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddess Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: At some point in his life he has to ask WHY He's a classic narcissist. The WHY for him is always someone else's fault. Listen to all the interviews with Liberals since after this election - They really think the problem is that Canadians want them to do MORE of what they have already been doing and that they want it done FASTER. They think the problem is that Canadians are too stupid to understand their "vision" for Canada and that they need to be clearer on the "messaging." 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 "The evil men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar." Quote A friend will help you move. A good friend will help you move a body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnFox Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 59 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: "The evil men do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. So let it be with Caesar." Your boy is a nut and the only thing that's getting buried with him are the hopes and dreams of a future generation and some dung beetles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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