The Wuhan lab leak conspiracy theory now a likely reality

[West]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe because of the messengers.

The press shaping a narrative that anyone who disagrees with them is evil is the reason we are here

[Goddess]

31 minutes ago, myata said:

I agree its way short of a smoking gun. 

There is no coronavirus known to man with that funky cleavage site.

None.

It was man-made.

 

[myata]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There is no coronavirus known to man with that funky cleavage site.

This is kind of a reversal of the argument there's nothing so complex as human eye) I'm far from being an expert to argue either way. But a solid evidence of some work done in this particular or close area would certainly add to the combined weight of the associated hypothesis.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

After all of this time, why does it matter?  How does identifying the actual source change anything?

 

Holding those who allowed this to happen to account is critical to helping prevent it in the future. 

It's like saying we shouldn't investigate a murder because "what does indentifying the murderer actually change anything"?

Your comment is something only a die hard leftist who cared more about his party than people would say.  Of COURSE knowing how this happened is important. 

44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe because of the messengers.

If that's the case - then the problem is with the ignorance bias and hatred of the listeners, not the messenger. 

[Goddess]

37 minutes ago, myata said:

This is kind of a reversal of the argument there's nothing so complex as human eye) I'm far from being an expert to argue either way. But a solid evidence of some work done in this particular or close area would certainly add to the combined weight of the associated hypothesis.

Daszcak requestèd grant money from Fauci, to work on creating a new coronavirus at the Wuhan lab. 

I posted his request on the Trickle thread.

His proposal involved:

Using an existing coronavirus from a bat

Hotwiring it with 2 particular enzymes, which he named

Creating a furin cleavage site at a particular place in the genome, which he named

Hotwiring the ACE receptors to make it integrate with human cells easier

Lo & behold, a year later, a bat coronavirus emerges a few blocks away from the Wuhan lab that contains the same furin cleavage site, ACE receptor abilities, the exact 2 enzymes from Daszaks proposal and the same genome from his proposal.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy FACT. 

The chances that this is Daszaks virus are very high. 

The only reason we have a 95% probability and not 100% is because the Chinese have destroyed records and "disappeared" some of the people involved.

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, West said:

The press shaping a narrative that anyone who disagrees with them is evil is the reason we are here

You reworded what I said already.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Lo & behold, a year later, a bat coronavirus emerges a few blocks away from the Wuhan lab that contains the same furin cleavage site, ACE receptor abilities, the exact 2 enzymes from Daszaks proposal and the same genome from his proposal.

And why wouldn't the whistle lady have mentioned this chain of amazing coincidences in her report? That would amount to a smoking gun, if/when confirmed independently and confidently.

[blackbird]

There is a book which may shed some light on things like pandemics. 

I am not saying the Covid virus had anything to do with this or that it was deliberate.  

The book is called "Unrestricted Warfare: China's Master Plan to Destroy America" written by two People's Liberation Army (PLA) officers.

This is the People's Liberation Army manual for unrestricted or non-conventional warfare that can be carried on without the enemy even thinking they are at war.  

The book is available for Kindle readers on Amazon.

The hardcover is available for $23.85 Can.  The Kindle version is $8.99 Can

The Amazon description of the book says:

"A sobering and fascinating study on war in the modern era, Unrestricted Warfare carefully explores strategies that militarily and politically disadvantaged nations might take in order to successfully attack a geopolitical super-power like the United States. American military doctrine is typically led by technology; a new class of weapon or vehicle is developed, which allows or encourages an adjustment in strategy. Military strategists Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui argue that this dynamic is a crucial weakness in the American military, and that this blind spot with regard to alternative forms warfare could be effectively exploited by enemies. Unrestricted Warfare concerns the many ways in which this might occur, and, in turn, suggests what the United States might do to defend itself.

The traditional mentality that offensive action is limited to military action is no longer adequate given the range of contemporary threats and the rising costs-both in dollars and lives lost-of traditional warfare. Instead, Liang and Xiangsui suggest the significance of alternatives to direct military confrontation, including international policy, economic warfare, attacks on digital infrastructure and networks, and terrorism. Even a relatively insignificant state can incapacitate a far more powerful enemy by applying pressure to their economic and political systems. Exploring each of these considerations with remarkable insight and clarity, Unrestricted Warfare is an engaging evaluation of our geopolitical future."

We are seeing interference on our elections in at least the past two elections.  So this should not be taken lightly and nothing can be ruled out.

 

 

Edited June 5 by blackbird

[Nationalist]

17 hours ago, Black Dog said:

And the evidence is entirely circumstantial.

ROFLMAO!

This is the only argument Libbies have left.

What dopes.

[Legato]

17 hours ago, Black Dog said:

And the evidence is entirely circumstantial.

You forgot the Pomp.

[ironstone]

19 hours ago, Black Dog said:

lmao this is incredibly weak sauce. Very funny that one of her points is that evidence the virus had emerged from the wildlife trade is still missing when she has no actual evidence connecting the virus to the lab.

Yeah, what are the odds that a virus like this could have possibly come from a lab known to have rather sketchy safety protocols that actually works on viruses just like this one?

[Black Dog]

9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Yeah, what are the odds that a virus like this could have possibly come from a lab known to have rather sketchy safety protocols that actually works on viruses just like this one?

Probably less than a virus emerging via zoonotic transfer like every other virus of its ilk.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

ROFLMAO!

This is the only argument Libbies have left.

What dopes.

Oh I'm sorry is "circumstantial" too big a word for you? Please find someone to look it up and tell you what it means.

[blackbird]

My own opinion is that there is a good possibility that the Covid 19 virus originated from the Wuhan lab.  This fits in with the unrestricted warfare scenario in the book "Unrestricted Warfare"....described in my above post.

Edited June 5 by blackbird

[blackbird]

We seem to have lots of uninformed CCP puppets and supporters in Canada.  Now we hear they are even in the federal government as MPs. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Probably less than a virus emerging via zoonotic transfer like every other virus of its ilk.

Well, there are some essential variables in this equation: 1) the timing and 2) multiple probabilities. What would be the chance of it appearing naturally exactly at the time when some lab was presumably working on something similar AND in the same place too? That would be like two unlikely positions of the planets aligning like by some magic.

Whereas (assuming some evidence) lab leaks and mishaps do happen routinely. I think saw something about researchers in the group complaining of something flu-like right at the time these events were developing.

If only the fact of the actual work can be confirmed with some confidence, the balance of possibilities could tip the other way quite naturally (no pun).

Edited June 5 by myata

[ironstone]

37 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Probably less than a virus emerging via zoonotic transfer like every other virus of its ilk.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-safety-issues-in-wuhan-lab-report-2020-4?op=1

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-suspends-federal-funding-wuhan-lab-over-non-compliance-2023-07-19/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-intel-report-identified-3-wuhan-lab-researchers-who-n1268327

For the last link, I suppose that it's possible that those lab workers all happened to be in the same wet market at approximately the same time.

[myata]

To summarize the balance of likelihood:

1. Natural emergence + some virus institute in the area (a coincidence of location): OK, a coincidence

2. Same + virus institute with specialization in bat viruses: interesting

3. Same + virus institute with specialization in bat viruses and an active project in the similar kind of virus at the time of the event: the coincidence of the time and location becomes unlikely

4. + other circumstantial evidence: approaching the smoking gun level.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Probably less than a virus emerging via zoonotic transfer like every other virus of its ilk.

 

Well the experts disagree with you.

US funded COVID 'lab leak' in China, damning report finds (nypost.com)

COVID Origins Hearing Wrap Up: Facts, Science, Evidence Point to a Wuhan Lab Leak - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

A Lab Leak in China Most Likely Origin of Covid Pandemic, Energy Department Says - WSJ

 

Sorry doggie  but the science and the experts say you're probably wrong. It's been thoroughly investigated and the most likely source is the lab. 

You just didn't get the memo. Loser lefties like you NEEDED to pretend people who said it was the lab were 'racists' till the election was over.  After that the truth came out and they've changed their tune.  Your talking points are out of date. 

Thats what happens when you base your opinions on "muh feels" and your echo chamber rather than on facts or science. 

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Goddess said:

It was man-made

Does that mean we should have just let it rip through human populations like they had it coming or something?

Maybe throw COVID parties for old folks?

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Does that mean we should have just let it rip through human populations like they had it coming or something?

Maybe throw COVID parties for old folks?

The Great Barrington declaration has been explained to you multiple times.

There was never a "let it rip" philosophy.

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Goddess said:

The Great Barrington declaration has been explained to you multiple times.

There was never a "let it rip" philosophy.

 

He just gets like this. He knows he's wrong and whatever he knows he's wrong and can't argue otherwise he just starts making stupid statements that are way over the top.

Basically comments like that are his way of admitting he already knows you're right. He's just having a little bit of a hissy fit because he's not happy that you're right

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

he just starts making stupid statements that are way over the top.

The hypocritical part is, no matter how many studies, datasets and news articles confirm heart issues and neurological issues in children and young adults, he's 100% on board with letting *THAT* vaccine injury rip.

[myata]

The declaration

Some countries followed it almost to the word. And look: the sky did not fall down. Only a flu-like disease with a disproportionately high impact in the vulnerable population. Focused protection makes all the sense. Population-wide indiscriminate draconian policies: not much; and all the way to a clear overreach and abuse of power.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The hypocritical part is, no matter how many studies, datasets and news articles confirm heart issues and neurological issues in children and young adults, he's 100% on board with letting *THAT* vaccine injury rip.

Sure, but that is consistent with both his personal and the left-wing in generals mentality. If a mistake is made and people are hurt by something that a group that you approve of did then you gloss over it, minimize it, and move on as fast as possible and tell people to debate is over.

And then you get angry if they won't let it go.

We all know that denial is a key component to the left wing as it currently exists, but not that many people understand how the mechanism works. It is absolutely critical that they teach their people not to pay attention to anything that happened more than 5 minutes ago. The only thing they focus on is what is happening right this second.

The reason for that is because many times what they are saying or doing right now is in complete contradiction to what they said or did even a month ago and if their people were to think about both things at the same time they would realize there is a level of hypocrisy.

So in eyeballs mind and many like him he made a decision about the vaccines a few years ago and now his brain can't even access that. Of time because he refuses to consider anything other than what is happening at this minute. So his opinion is frozen in time forever.

I don't say this to be mean to eyeball or lefties. Although that's always fun  .  But it is important to discuss how their mentality works and the mentality that they teach their kind to maintain in order to understand why discussing things with them in a normal fashion maybe ineffective.

[blackbird]

Remember Trudeau was sucked in completely by China and wanted to buy protective equipment from them, but they wouldn't deliver it and the deal fell through.  This shows his naivety.  Another embarrassment for Canada.