OftenWrong Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: They still need to have the mental capacity to make the decision. So they can't be a leftist then. Quote
admined Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Perhaps a polls thing, but I'm guessing they've worded something in their proposed legislation that makes it legally challengable. Maybe the part that allows minors to elect to off themselves without parental permission or even awareness. That would be them. Yeah. But it's NOT like them to notice the problem before the challenge hits... Quote
blackbird Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Why do you take antibiotics to stave off natural death when that’s what God intended for you? There is nothing wrong with taking medical aid or prolong life. I never said God intended for you to die asap. Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: There is nothing wrong with taking medical aid or prolong life. I never said God intended for you to die asap. Then your argument about a “natural death” is rather silly, as we don’t apply that standard to anything else. If God wants a natural death for you when you’re suffering at the end of your life, why wouldn’t he want a natural death for you when you get pneumonia when you’re 25? Edited January 30, 2024 by TreeBeard Quote
blackbird Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Then your argument about a “natural death” is rather silly, as we don’t apply that standard to anything else. If God wants a natural death for you when you’re suffering at the end of your life, why wouldn’t he want a natural death for you when you get pneumonia when you’re 25? Use logic kiddo. If you can be treated by what's available, that is the route to go. You don't willingly choose to die. Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 3 minutes ago, blackbird said: Use logic kiddo. If you can be treated by what's available, that is the route to go. You don't willingly choose to die. Same logic applies if I don’t want to live any longer due to intolerable suffering. MAID is available old fella, therefore it is a route to go if I choose. But you didn’t answer my question, old timer: If God values dying naturally when you’re suffering with terminal cancer, why doesn’t He value dying naturally if you have treatable pneumonia? Quote
Aristides Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: Use logic kiddo. If you can be treated by what's available, that is the route to go. You don't willingly choose to die. How would you know? The mother of a friend of my daughters was horribly injured in a car crash, over 6 months later she was still in hospital with non chance of a meaningful recovery and in constant pain. She chose MAID rather than continue to exist as she was. She got no encouragement from her family or anyone else, it was her decision alone. Quote
blackbird Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: How would you know? The mother of a friend of my daughters was horribly injured in a car crash, over 6 months later she was still in hospital with non chance of a meaningful recovery and in constant pain. She chose MAID rather than continue to exist as she was. She got no encouragement from her family or anyone else, it was her decision alone. That is tragic. All I can tell you is God considers human life as sacred and forbids killing. You can choose to believe that or not. If you think you know more than God, that is a problem. Quote
Aristides Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 18 minutes ago, blackbird said: That is tragic. All I can tell you is God considers human life as sacred and forbids killing. You can choose to believe that or not. If you think you know more than God, that is a problem. It’s not a problem at all. It’s my life to do as I choose, not what you choose. You live yours and I’ll live mine. 1 Quote
herbie Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 Allowing the mentally ill MAID is a ridiculous idea proposed by extremists. That some of you think it's an idea of the Liberals or the bogeyman 'left' merely shows your level of political ignorance. Just as your insisting even talking about it is unacceptable and proof they support it, along with claiming that tossing it to the 'round file' is merely postponing it. If it is legally accepted that the mentally ill are incapable of making rational right/wrong decisions, how can anyone say they can make life/death decisions? It will remain off the table. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 30, 2024 Report Posted January 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, herbie said: If it is legally accepted that the mentally ill are incapable of making rational right/wrong decisions, how can anyone say they can make life/death decisions? It will remain off the table. The folks who cannot make rational decisions are not eligible for MAID. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 4 hours ago, TreeBeard said: The folks who cannot make rational decisions are not eligible for MAID. For now. If liberals have their way in the future, some government chivatto in an office will make the decision for them. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 (edited) Over 40,000 Canadians have already been through the maid process according to CTV media...that number is astronomical high....I'm glad the maid program was established, especially for those in pain, or bed ridden for medical reasons.... but i think the standards should be raised a few notches...take that women who was accepted because she could not find an apartment that was odor free and yet she was granted the procedure... Mental health issues are not a good fit for this program, i know when i came back from Afghanistan on my last tour i was suffering from severe PTSD, and trust me you suffer, and suffer, your own mind is a very powerful adversary and if this program was available i know i would have signed up...if it was not for my family and how much they cared...i would be just another number in stats can , Thankfully Mental health can be treated, it is a long drawn our process, but getting healthy enough to enjoy life and my family is a god send...there is light at the end of the tunnel... I know way to many good men and women that took their own lifes, leaving behind nothing but destruction and sorrow for their families...with many of them left with ptsd of there own when finding their loved ones after they had taken their own lifes...I hope common sense prevails in this case anyways.. To be frank i'm not sure why we struggle so much with the death penalty when we just allowed 40,000 canadians to take their own lifes for much lesser reasons. Edited January 31, 2024 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
August1991 Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 8 hours ago, blackbird said: Die naturally is not MAID. If nature takes its course, that is not the same as choosing medically-assisted death, which is killing. You can just allow God to take you when your time comes. There is no right to choose to be killed. That is against God's will in the Bible. I disagree. Abortion and MAiD (medically-assisted death) are not murder, killing. Quote
eyeball Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 6 hours ago, blackbird said: That is tragic. Do you figure she's burning in Hell for eternity now? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
TreeBeard Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: For now. If liberals have their way in the future, some government chivatto in an office will make the decision for them. Why in the future? Why do’nt they put your scenario, that you claim they want, into legislation now? Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: To be frank i'm not sure why we struggle so much with the death penalty when we just allowed 40,000 canadians to take their own lifes for much lesser reasons. Because they chose to. Apples and oranges. One is an individual choice to end their own suffering, the other is the state sanctioning killing someone. If you don’t see the difference there, I’m not sure what to tell you. Quote
herbie Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 In the end if they treated my wife's lungs and breathing which caused much pain and effort, her kidney's & liver would flare up and cause more pain. While I went home for a shower & change of clothes she asked the nurse to stop medicating and let her go. She passed 5 minutes before I got back. So if you want to stretch your vision of MAID then I could guess that a DNR/stop treatment request and the Dr or nurse complying could be called MAID. But that's something that has always been... Quote
Zeitgeist Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Same logic applies if I don’t want to live any longer due to intolerable suffering. MAID is available old fella, therefore it is a route to go if I choose. But you didn’t answer my question, old timer: If God values dying naturally when you’re suffering with terminal cancer, why doesn’t He value dying naturally if you have treatable pneumonia? There’s a vast difference between killing oneself and not putting oneself on life support when one would naturally die without such support.. Healthcare should be about healing, but one isn’t required to take this care. That’s altogether different from actively killing someone, which is what MAID does. A DNR request by a patient is not assisted suicide. It’s not suicide. It’s letting nature take its course. Edited January 31, 2024 by Zeitgeist Quote
OftenWrong Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 48 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Why in the future? Why do’nt they put your scenario, that you claim they want, into legislation now? How do you know they didn't try? Could that be the reason why they've delayed it again? Why aren't they telling us what's going on? Quote
blackbird Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 6 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. Abortion and MAiD (medically-assisted death) are not murder, killing. That's because you don't accept what God says in the Bible. You need to study the Bible and ask God to change you and make you a new person in Christ. Quote
blackbird Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 12 hours ago, Aristides said: It’s not a problem at all. It’s my life to do as I choose, not what you choose. You live yours and I’ll live mine. You have a serious spiritual problem and unless you repent you will face a dark future. "27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: " Hebrews 9:27 The Bible says you are dead in your trespasses and sins. You need to read the Bible and ask God into your heart to change you. You need to become a new creature in Christ Jesus. Quote
blackbird Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 (edited) 6 hours ago, eyeball said: Do you figure she's burning in Hell for eternity now? The Bible says you are dead in your trespasses and sins. "23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; " Romans 3:23 You need to read the Bible and ask God to change you and make you a new creature in Christ. Edited January 31, 2024 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 6 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Because they chose to. Apples and oranges. One is an individual choice to end their own suffering, the other is the state sanctioning killing someone. If you don’t see the difference there, I’m not sure what to tell you. Medically-assisted death is killing by the doctor or medical professional. That is state-sanctioned killing. Whether it is MAID or suicide, it is wrong. Still killing. Killing is contrary to God's word. You are dead in trespasses and sins (Romans 3:23) and need to ask God to change you and make you a new creature in Christ. Study the Bible. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 31, 2024 Report Posted January 31, 2024 Canada. The land of legalized suicide. Our claim to fame. If you're proud of this, you have serious issues. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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