Is Hate Speech Free Speech?

[herbie]

Well then if I accept your concept that the President of the USA is King Shit and responsible for the whole world, then I can see how wars between other countries and supporting sides with democratic ideals could be construed as warmongering.

Lucky people like you lost the 1936 election.

[QuebecOverCanada]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

Or I could send you a massive fist-shaped dildo so you can thoroughly fark yourself. 🙄

Wait, I thought you were for the Just War in Ukraine?

Why do you feel insulted?

I would even pay for your funerals if you went there to defend your ideals.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Lucky people like you lost the 1936 election.

Putin is Hitler!!

I am smart.

[Hodad]

53 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Wait, I thought you were for the Just War in Ukraine?

Why do you feel insulted?

I would even pay for your funerals if you went there to defend your ideals.

Putin is Hitler!!

I am smart.

I mostly feel insulted by your lazy trolling. Even dumb people understand that one can earnestly and actively support causes without wanting to live them, or without it even being practical to live them.

"You support Doctors Without Borders? Where's your medical license and why aren't you practicing orthopedics in Uganda? Hyuk hyuk."

Yet you persist in repeating your trite line. It isn't clever. No one thinks it's clever. You, yourself, can't possibly imagine it's clever, incisive or illuminating. You just repeat it to be a jackass. 

It's frustrating that people aren't smarter, and more frustrating when those who could be treasure more pleasure in playing dumb.

 

[robosmith]

On 1/13/2024 at 3:19 PM, Legato said:

and replace him with another corrupt autocrat. Be careful what you wish for.

You first have to wait for SOMEONE to specify the "high crime" for which they plan to impeach him before drawing your conclusion WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

[robosmith]

On 1/20/2024 at 5:55 PM, QuebecOverCanada said:

But we have a nice warmongering, corrupt president at this moment, and it doesn't even make you bat an eye. Thank you for your moral compass though.

Trudeau is war mongering? What war? Has he been writing checks for Ukraine's weapons, too?

Writing checks is NOT selling (mongering) war. It is PAYING to WIN them.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Trudeau is war mongering? What war? Has he been writing checks for Ukraine's weapons, too?

Writing checks is NOT selling (mongering) war. It is PAYING to WIN them.

well he did send them our tank.

[Perspektiv]

UFC's Sean Strickland is a great example of free speech.

He has been documented as to stating that if he had a son and he became gay, that he would have failed as a man.

He also made his stance clear. Trans would know where he truly stood on the issue once Bud Light chose to sponsor the UFC.

This raised the ire of a Toronto sports writer who confronted him.

He doubled down, eluding to a few years ago, trans people used to be deemed as suffering from mental illness.

It just didn't go well for the reporter.

UFC president Dana White under immense pressure to apologize, didn't back down either.

Of course the community needs a punching bag to be made an example out of. Has nothing to do with what was said being offensive.

Glad to see people calling it out.

[Yakuda]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

UFC's Sean Strickland is a great example of free speech.

He has been documented as to stating that if he had a son and he became gay, that he would have failed as a man.

He also made his stance clear. Trans would know where he truly stood on the issue once Bud Light chose to sponsor the UFC.

This raised the ire of a Toronto sports writer who confronted him.

He doubled down, eluding to a few years ago, trans people used to be deemed as suffering from mental illness.

It just didn't go well for the reporter.

UFC president Dana White under immense pressure to apologize, didn't back down either.

Of course the community needs a punching bag to be made an example out of. Has nothing to do with what was said being offensive.

Glad to see people calling it out.

That was a great interview. Lol. We need a lot more of that. 

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, Hodad said:

I mostly feel insulted by your lazy trolling. Even dumb people understand that one can earnestly and actively support causes without wanting to live them, or without it even being practical to live them.

See, the problem with your thinking, sh*thead, is that you leftoids aren't mentally or emotionally mature enough to know where to draw the line. This is proven by your support and acceptance of things like illegal immigration and other criminal activity (allowance for misdemeanors in Portland, San Francisco etc.). 

This is yet one more reason why everyone else roles their eyes when you a$$holes make comments on virtually everything. 

 

[Perspektiv]

55 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

That was a great interview. Lol. We need a lot more of that. 

Why would you pressure someone wearing a t-shirt that literally said something around the lines of women belonging in the kitchen to apologize for offensive statements?

Thats like going to the jungle, and feeling entitled to lions allowing you to pet them. Wanting Kenya to apologize to you for losing your arm, because a lion cannot.

The fact the reporter felt it was a good idea to ask this person  to apologize, is precisely why nobody respects the media like they used to. They were trying to make an example out of someone, suppressing their freedom of speech.

What are you going to do? Cancel him? Virtually no companies want to touch the dude for sponsorships. He is known for being a loose cannon, and volatile.

The UFC is aware a significant portion of their base, is conservative. 

One expecting two men beating each other to a bloody pulp to be scared about offending people, is the epitome of lunacy.

Watch figure skating if one can't handle combat sports.

So happy Dana stuck up for his fighter. Don't want low IQ answers, don't ask low IQ questions.

[Yakuda]

9 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Why would you pressure someone wearing a t-shirt that literally said something around the lines of women belonging in the kitchen to apologize for offensive statements?

Thats like going to the jungle, and feeling entitled to lions allowing you to pet them. Wanting Kenya to apologize to you for losing your arm, because a lion cannot.

The fact the reporter felt it was a good idea to ask this person  to apologize, is precisely why nobody respects the media like they used to. They were trying to make an example out of someone, suppressing their freedom of speech.

What are you going to do? Cancel him? Virtually no companies want to touch the dude for sponsorships. He is known for being a loose cannon, and volatile.

The UFC is aware a significant portion of their base, is conservative. 

One expecting two men beating each other to a bloody pulp to be scared about offending people, is the epitome of lunacy.

Watch figure skating if one can't handle combat sports.

So happy Dana stuck up for his fighter. Don't want low IQ answers, don't ask low IQ questions.

I think the reporter thought the usual tactic of shaming would work like it has so many times before. These reporters actually think they are entitled to an answer. Its one of the things I've says liked about bill belichick. He has to attend the post game sessions to answer questions but he rarely ever gives an answer. 

[Perspektiv]

Just now, Yakuda said:

I think the reporter thought the usual tactic of shaming would work like it has so many times before.

Someone has to take the fall. These tactics were used in communist and socialist regimes. 

You shame and ridicule people into compliance, making what to be complied to as vague as possible, creating a major fear of dissent.

They went crazy (liberal sports reporters). Denouncing ESPN for airing the sport. Scotiabank, for associating its name (the area where the fight occurred), demanding an apology from both.

If either cave, those sports reporters get the joy of knowing they still got it. If they deflect to them not being in support or the subject matter, I think the pressure would be ratcheted up.

Ultimately it only will stand to hurt the UFC fans, as the sport won't be in a rush to return to Canada. 

Won't lie. Seeing the f*** Trudeau chants were like music to my ears.

I haven't lost faith in my country after all. Just the person leading it.

[Yakuda]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Someone has to take the fall. These tactics were used in communist and socialist regimes. 

You shame and ridicule people into compliance, making what to be complied to as vague as possible, creating a major fear of dissent.

They went crazy (liberal sports reporters). Denouncing ESPN for airing the sport. Scotiabank, for associating its name (the area where the fight occurred), demanding an apology from both.

If either cave, those sports reporters get the joy of knowing they still got it. If they deflect to them not being in support or the subject matter, I think the pressure would be ratcheted up.

Ultimately it only will stand to hurt the UFC fans, as the sport won't be in a rush to return to Canada. 

Won't lie. Seeing the f*** Trudeau chants were like music to my ears.

I haven't lost faith in my country after all. Just the person leading it.

Yes they are called struggle sessions. The media does that to people who run a foul of woke ideology. 

[Hodad]

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Someone has to take the fall. These tactics were used in communist and socialist regimes. 

You shame and ridicule people into compliance, making what to be complied to as vague as possible, creating a major fear of dissent.

They went crazy (liberal sports reporters). Denouncing ESPN for airing the sport. Scotiabank, for associating its name (the area where the fight occurred), demanding an apology from both.

If either cave, those sports reporters get the joy of knowing they still got it. If they deflect to them not being in support or the subject matter, I think the pressure would be ratcheted up.

Ultimately it only will stand to hurt the UFC fans, as the sport won't be in a rush to return to Canada. 

Won't lie. Seeing the f*** Trudeau chants were like music to my ears.

I haven't lost faith in my country after all. Just the person leading it.

Shaming is good. It's how a society enforces decent behavior. When people do or say harmful things, they should be made to feel ashamed. 

I have no idea who Sean Strickland is outside the context of this conversation, but saying that having a gay son is failing as a man is a truly, awful, horrible thing to say. And society is right to push back on it. Neither parents nor children have any control over who they are attracted to. There is no choice to be made, nor is there any thing wrong with being gay. The only way you "fail" as a man and a father is to fail to give your child the love and support they need to grow into happy thriving adults. @Nationalist

Free speech is in relationship to the government. It doesn't mean speech free of social consequence. Society sets those standards and those comments that are transgressive will get pushback.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Shaming is good. It's how a society enforces decent behavior. When people do or say harmful things, they should be made to feel ashamed. 

I have no idea who Sean Strickland is outside the context of this conversation, but saying that having a gay son is failing as a man is a truly, awful, horrible thing to say. And society is right to push back on it. Neither parents nor children have any control over who they are attracted to. There is no choice to be made, nor is there any thing wrong with being gay. The only way you "fail" as a man and a father is to fail to give your child the love and support they need to grow into happy thriving adults. @Nationalist

Free speech is in relationship to the government. It doesn't mean speech free of social consequence. Society sets those standards and those comments that are transgressive will get pushback.

Not in todays world - today if you shame someone by pointing out they're being terrible people they just put you on ignore and get on with their terribleness  

[impartialobserver]

Folks are and should be free to express their hate.. and they are also free to look stupid doing so in some cases. If my son was to be gay... that would change nothing on my end. 

[Yakuda]

32 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Shaming is good. It's how a society enforces decent behavior. When people do or say harmful things, they should be made to feel ashamed. 

I have no idea who Sean Strickland is outside the context of this conversation, but saying that having a gay son is failing as a man is a truly, awful, horrible thing to say. And society is right to push back on it. Neither parents nor children have any control over who they are attracted to. There is no choice to be made, nor is there any thing wrong with being gay. The only way you "fail" as a man and a father is to fail to give your child the love and support they need to grow into happy thriving adults. @Nationalist

Free speech is in relationship to the government. It doesn't mean speech free of social consequence. Society sets those standards and those comments that are transgressive will get pushback.

Explain why what Strickland said is "...a truly, awful, horrible thing to say?"

13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Folks are and should be free to express their hate.. and they are also free to look stupid doing so in some cases. If my son was to be gay... that would change nothing on my end. 

I dont believe Strickland said it would change anything on his end. 

[impartialobserver]

4 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

Explain why what Strickland said is "...a truly, awful, horrible thing to say?"

I dont believe Strickland said it would change anything on his end. 

Strickland said that it is a failing of a man to have a gay son. I do not view it as a failure or a success if my son is gay.

[Yakuda]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Strickland said that it is a failing of a man to have a gay son. I do not view it as a failure or a success if my son is gay.

 

7 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Strickland said that it is a failing of a man to have a gay son. I do not view it as a failure or a success if my son is gay.

Nothing changes though the boy would still be gay. 

Why and how is Strickland wrong? 

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

If my son was to be gay... that would change nothing on my end. 

Nor should it - but i AM going to ask you to phrase that differently in the future.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Shaming is good. It's how a society enforces decent behavior.  

 

  It's a venerable conservative tradition.

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Shaming is good. It's how a society enforces decent behavior. When people do or say harmful things, they should be made to feel ashamed. 

I have no idea who Sean Strickland is outside the context of this conversation, but saying that having a gay son is failing as a man is a truly, awful, horrible thing to say. And society is right to push back on it. Neither parents nor children have any control over who they are attracted to. There is no choice to be made, nor is there any thing wrong with being gay. The only way you "fail" as a man and a father is to fail to give your child the love and support they need to grow into happy thriving adults. @Nationalist

Free speech is in relationship to the government. It doesn't mean speech free of social consequence. Society sets those standards and those comments that are transgressive will get pushback.

OK this I have to agree with...and as long as the government stays out of the free speech arena...all good. But when the government directs business to censor...now I have a problem with it.

[Hodad]

12 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

Explain why what Strickland said is "...a truly, awful, horrible thing to say?"

 

I already did. Was that not sufficient?

If someone says that having a gay child equates to failure on the part of the parent/father, that's extremely hurtful to parents of gay children, whom Strickland has denounced as failures and to the children themselves, whose innate quality has resulted in the failure of their parents. It casts being gay as being wrong or bad.

And we're talking about an innate attribute that has historically been subjected to a lot of hate, violence and other misery. We're really just coming out of that period, but the history is still raw and ender.

From a logic perspective what he's said is about as dumb as saying "If my child has red hair, I will have failed as a man."

From an emotional perspective, what he's said is about as awful as "If my child is born a [n-word] I will have failed as a man."

The logic is bad, but the deliberate emotional harm is worse.

[impartialobserver]

18 minutes ago, Yakuda said:

 

Nothing changes though the boy would still be gay. 

Why and how is Strickland wrong? 

To view your son being gay as a success or failure infers that Strickland has ultimate control over that. Second, it says that he would view his son is a lesser light.. that is wrong IMO. Being gay is not immoral. 

[Yakuda]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I already did. Was that not sufficient?

If someone says that having a gay child equates to failure on the part of the parent/father, that's extremely hurtful to parents of gay children, whom Strickland has denounced as failures and to the children themselves, whose innate quality has resulted in the failure of their parents. It casts being gay as being wrong or bad.

And we're talking about an innate attribute that has historically been subjected to a lot of hate, violence and other misery. We're really just coming out of that period, but the history is still raw and ender.

From a logic perspective what he's said is about as dumb as saying "If my child has red hair, I will have failed as a man."

From an emotional perspective, what he's said is about as awful as "If my child is born a [n-word] I will have failed as a man."

The logic is bad, but the deliberate emotional harm is worse.

No it's not.

So it's a truly awful horrible thing to say because it might hurt people's feelings?