blackbird Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Posted October 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: being that I do not believe in it.. that means nothing. There are things that you do not believe in and no matter how many times I repeat it, you would not change your mind. How is that any different? Think about this one hard... I have thought about that at times. I am not a preacher or gifted speaker or scholar. Just an ordinary guy. So I don't pretend to have great ability to communicate these things. If I did, it would make it a lot easier. The Bible says faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God (in English the King James Bible). Hebrews ch 11. It also says in the same part, without faith it is impossible to please God. He that cometh to God must believe that he is. That is it in a nutshell. It is a matter of faith. That faith can be gained by reading and studying the Bible. It is also a gift of God. So those two things combined. Anyone who comes to God in humility and asks Him for faith, I am sure would receive the gift. God says in the Bible he chose the foolish things and the weak things of the world to confound the wise. In other words, God may have chosen the ordinary folk, the weak people, not the strong, proud know it all folks. Of course this doesn't mean some can't be saved. It might be harder though for the rich and powerful, highly educated, to have a humble attitude and bow their head and get on their knees so to speak. However, God can save anyone if they seek Him. That's what the gospel of John says. The book of Romans in the Bible says whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. This is why it is a dangerous thing for one to think because they have a good position or job, have all the money they need and all the comforts of life, they don't need God. That is a very dangerous position to be in actually. It would be better to have nothing and have faith in God. Quote
impartialobserver Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, blackbird said: It would be better to have nothing and have faith in God. That is a matter of opinion. So in short.. you expect others to listen to what you say and hopefully convert yet you are will not or do not listen to their opposing views. So in short.. you violate the Golden Rule. Hmm... Proselytizing in the name of religion is ok but not if not it is in the name of non-religion.. not sure how much more hypocritical one can get. Edited October 11, 2023 by impartialobserver Quote
blackbird Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Posted October 11, 2023 1 minute ago, impartialobserver said: you expect others to listen to what you say and hopefully convert yet you are will not or do not listen to their opposing views. So in short.. you violate the Golden Rule. Hmm. Not true. I read what you said. I listen to opposing views. Quote
impartialobserver Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: Not true. I read what you said. I listen to opposing views. oh come on now.. you can't be playing stupid now and not expecting it to get caught. There is zero chance of someone converting you to atheism. I can discern this and hence have made zero attempt at it. Unlike others.. I do not get the security blanket of a group of like minded types. I do not care if someone is atheist or not. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, blackbird said: It is a matter of faith. Is there any position that can’t be taken on faith? Like, can I take it on faith that vaccines don’t work? Quote
blackbird Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: oh come on now.. you can't be playing stupid now and not expecting it to get caught. There is zero chance of someone converting you to atheism. I can discern this and hence have made zero attempt at it. Unlike others.. I do not get the security blanket of a group of like minded types. I do not care if someone is atheist or not. I do read what other people say. That doesn't mean I agree with it. You are correct. I would not become an atheist. I don't see it as credible. That just reminded of a very interesting debate. You might find it very interesting. The God Delusion Debate on youtube between Richard Dawkins, the famous atheist and John Lennox. Here is the link: Fortunately it just came to mind. I may watch it again. It brought in a big audience. Edited October 11, 2023 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Is there any position that can’t be taken on faith? Like, can I take it on faith that vaccines don’t work? Watch the God Delusion Debate at the link I gave. I have faith in vaccines. Faith is based on evidence. Quote
TreeBeard Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, blackbird said: Watch the God Delusion Debate at the link I gave. I have faith in vaccines. Faith is based on evidence. No, if you have evidence, you don’t need faith. I take nothing on faith. John Lennox believes that evolution is true. Edited October 11, 2023 by TreeBeard 1 Quote
impartialobserver Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, blackbird said: I do read what other people say. That doesn't mean I agree with it. You are correct. I would not become an atheist. I don't see it as credible. That just reminded of a very interesting debate. You might find it very interesting. The God Delusion Debate on youtube between Richard Dawkins, the famous atheist and John Lennox. Here is the link: Fortunately it just came to mind. I may watch it again. It brought in a big audience. And I do not find being religious to be credible. I have no reason to try to convert you or anyone else. I doubt that you have the courage to admit it..but you would be more than happy to convert myself or someone else. I find that way of being to be self absorbed and hypocritical. Quote
Nexii Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) On 10/10/2023 at 4:33 PM, I am Groot said: Realistically, any Palestinian state would be an authoritarian shithole. The only question would be whether it would be like Iran, if Hamas won, or like Syria, if the PLO won. There's no resources there to support them, and they'd always be a charity case. The only sensible way to solve the problem is to bribe Jordan to take back the West Bank, which they once occupied, and Egypt to take back the Gaza strip. The USA would have to bribe Egypt too, but yea this is probably the most sensible. The area is so polarized that it's probably best to draw the country lines across religious boundaries. The West Bank would have to be carved up, as there's 670k Israeli settlers living there. Though I do hope Israel steps back from the precipice of genociding all of Gaza by starvation. This will only lead to a much larger war than 1948. Israel might have the military might to win a quick war, but wars often are not quick. Israel does not have the population to fight an attritional war like Ukraine is. Edited October 11, 2023 by Nexii Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 11, 2023 Report Posted October 11, 2023 Class, class, class... Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
OftenWrong Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Stopped being a religious war a thousand years ago. It was and is territory. Israel is the only non-Muslim country in the region. The rest are Muslim majorities. Some are theocracies. Iran sees Israel as their enemy and openly declares they should be destroyed. Iran rejected the two-state solution and gives covert support to hamas terrorists. These are they aystollahs. Religion matters to these people big-time. Btw coming soon to a street corner in a big city near you. Your pals friends have arrived. Quote
WestCanMan Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Stopped being a religious war a thousand years ago. It was and is territory. ? OMG, that's not even a CNN talking point, only you say that. No one in the Arab world refuses to acknowledge Pakistan's right to exist. It was created the same way as Israel, 9 months earlier, and they had the same type of religious mix. In Pakistan there were muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. In Israel there were Jews and muslims. In Palestine they had every opportunity to live freely and not be bothered. The Pakistanis did an ethnic cleansing right away, and publicly burned Hindus and Sikhs alive in public executions. They killed millions of people. There's no one lingering around in refugee camps because going back to Pakistan is death. The Israelis never mass-murdered the muslims. They were by far the more civil country. They just got attacked a lot, by all of the muslims who didn't give a sh1t about the genocides in Pakistan. This is only about religion, religious bigotry rather, It has nothing to do with that "border". Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
OftenWrong Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah it is isn't it. There there. Quote
betsy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) CBC leaked emails tell reporters to not use 'terrorist' in Hamas coverage: 'This is opinion, not fact' Executive told reporters that terrorism 'remains heavily politicized' The Canadian Broadcasting Corp. gave strict guidelines to reporters on using the term "terrorist" in their coverage of Israel's war with Hamas, leaked emails reveal. "Do not refer to militants, soldiers or anyone else as ‘terrorists.’ The notion of terrorism remains heavily politicized and is part of the story," CBC's director of journalistic standards, George Achi, wrote in an email to employees on Saturday. A CBC spokesperson confirmed the internal email's legitimacy to Fox News Digital. The CBC characterized the protocol as similar to practices followed by other media outlets. https://www.foxnews.com/media/cbc-leaked-emails-tell-reporters-not-use-terrorist-hamas-coverage-opinion-not-fact CBC is blatantly lying, and going against the government in this sensitive time. Hamas Date added to the list: Nov. 27, 2002 Hamas, which stands for Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamiya, is an “Islamist-nationalist terrorist organization” with the goal of establishing an Islamic Palestinian state in Israel. The organization is responsible for “several hundred terrorist attacks” since 1990, according to Public Safety Canada. Canada, the European Union and the United States classify Hamas as a terrorist group, while Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom only consider the group’s militant wing as a terrorist group. The organization seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 and it uses the region for terrorist attacks against Israel. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/other-notable-organizations-on-canada-s-list-of-terror-groups-1.5295107 Lying about it and controlling the facts - should be ground for removing all its funding from taxpayers. Taxpayers ought to be outraged about this. It shouldn't be swept under the rugs. Edited October 12, 2023 by betsy 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 12 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Israel is the only non-Muslim country in the region. The rest are Muslim majorities. Some are theocracies. Iran sees Israel as their enemy and openly declares they should be destroyed. Iran rejected the two-state solution and gives covert support to hamas terrorists. These are they aystollahs. Religion matters to these people big-time. Btw coming soon to a street corner in a big city near you. Your pals friends have arrived. So? That is as much cultural as anything else. Hatfields and McCoys....fought so long they foregot why LOL What pals??? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
OftenWrong Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, ExFlyer said: So? That is as much cultural as anything else. Hatfields and McCoys....fought so long they foregot why LOL What pals??? So that's why I called it a religious war, dumbnuts And your pal, Mr Turdeua... Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, WestCanMan said: ? OMG, that's not even a CNN talking point, only you say that. No one in the Arab world refuses to acknowledge Pakistan's right to exist. It was created the same way as Israel, 9 months earlier, and they had the same type of religious mix. In Pakistan there were muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. In Israel there were Jews and muslims. In Palestine they had every opportunity to live freely and not be bothered. The Pakistanis did an ethnic cleansing right away, and publicly burned Hindus and Sikhs alive in public executions. They killed millions of people. There's no one lingering around in refugee camps because going back to Pakistan is death. The Israelis never mass-murdered the muslims. They were by far the more civil country. They just got attacked a lot, by all of the muslims who didn't give a sh1t about the genocides in Pakistan. This is only about religion, religious bigotry rather, It has nothing to do with that "border". There ya go with Pakistan again....who cares...except you LOL Edited October 12, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: So that's why I called it a religious war, dumbnuts And your pal, Mr Turdeua... Are you really such a dork or is it your online persona only?? LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
OftenWrong Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: There ya go with Pakistan again....who cares...except you LOL Where where?? LOL SOmebody said, "Christian". Oh My! ? Quote
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: So that's why I called it a religious war, dumbnuts And your pal, Mr Turdeua... Read all about it...dumbnuts.... "pits Israeli demands for security in what it has long regarded as a hostile region against Palestinian aspirations for a state of their own." https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-palestinian-dispute-hinges-statehood-land-jerusalem-refugees-2023-10-10/ 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, ExFlyer said: There ya go with Pakistan again....who cares...except you LOL Who cares about the truth, and is willing to discuss all of the relevant facts, aside from me? Can you tell me why the Arab countries accept Pakistan but not Israel? You can't, can you... Pakistan has slaughtered more people than the entire population of the west bank in just one genocide, but they did it twice. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Israelis treatment of the Palestinians - it is all about religious bigotry. As usual you aren't influenced by facts, reason and logic. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Moonbox Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, betsy said: CBC leaked emails tell reporters to not use 'terrorist' in Hamas coverage: 'This is opinion, not fact' Executive told reporters that terrorism 'remains heavily politicized' Here's why. They're taking a page out of the BBC, which has metric tons more credibility than the CBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67083432 Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson And it's always been like this in the BBC. During World War Two, BBC broadcasters were expressly told not to call the Nazis evil or wicked, even though we could and did call them "the enemy". "Above all," said a BBC document about all this, "there must be no room for ranting". Our tone had to be calm and collected. Edited October 12, 2023 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
ExFlyer Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Who cares about the truth, and is willing to discuss all of the relevant facts, aside from me? Can you tell me why the Arab countries accept Pakistan but not Israel? You can't, can you... Pakistan has slaughtered more people than the entire population of the west bank in just one genocide, but they did it twice. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with the Israelis treatment of the Palestinians - it is all about religious bigotry. As usual you aren't influenced by facts, reason and logic. Last time, who except you cares about Pakistan? You are the same as that religious fanatic and cannot stay on topic. Pakistan...who cares? LOL Oh and, it is all about territory and a country to call their own... be it Israelis or Palestinians. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-palestinian-dispute-hinges-statehood-land-jerusalem-refugees-2023-10-10/ My Personal opinion is that if the Arab nations are so anti Israel then Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and even Egypt could each give a little land and make a new Palestine. Edited October 12, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted October 12, 2023 Report Posted October 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Last time, who except you cares about Pakistan? You are the same as that religious fanatic and cannot stay on topic. Pakistan...who cares? LOL Oh and, it is all about territory and a country to call their own... be it Israelis or Palestinians. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-palestinian-dispute-hinges-statehood-land-jerusalem-refugees-2023-10-10/ What's your point? Do you understand that Palestine was split into two countries, just like India was, and that Israel never massacred Palestinian women and children like the Pakistanis did? The Palestinians had their own country, they just weren't happy with that solution. For anything bad that you can say about Israel, the fact is that Pakistan was 100x worse. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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