Media reports majority do not support Monarchy

[blackbird]

The news reports that a majority or large percentage of Canadians do not support Charles becoming King and do not support the monarchy.  Could this be the beginning of the end of democracy in Canada?  Perhaps a judgment for Canada's general ungodliness and rejection of God and the Bible?  Seems like a possibility.  

In a world of dictatorships Canada has been one of the few democracies.  But that could be changing as many Canadians seem dissatisfied with the present system.  We could end up as a totalitarian state with no freedoms.

The existence of the Constitutional Monarchy is one of the main things that prevents a would-be dictatorship from taking control and abolishing the Parliamentary system we have.  The fact the Armed Forces, the RCMP and others swear allegiance to the King makes it very difficult for a would-be dictator from seizing power by firing a GG or President and abolishing Parliament.  Without that safeguard, the system could be more easily overthrown and changed to a dictatorship.

[Moonbox]

No King = No Freedom

You heard it first here on re:Politics, folks.  

[Legato]

I wonder how King Charles and King Trudeau will get on.

[Queenmandy85]

Thank you Blackbird. The King does not cost Canadians anything except for security when he is touring.

Canada has a blended heritage. We have the French language, the great circle of our First Nations heritage, cultural heritage of the Ukraine, Germany, Norway, the Philippines, India and Pakistan, Syria etc. We embrace and support all of these cultural gifts that make up Canada. The only part of this cultural blend that is under threat, is our British heritage. Why is my heritage under threat when all of the others are supported.

Most of the free, democratic nations in the world are constitutional monarchies. Norway, New Zealand, the Netherlands, England, Denmark, Japan, Sweden, and more.

What is the alternative? A republic with a Politician personifying the country like Putin, Xi, Trump (and Biden) or Macron? The King of Canada is the symbol of Canada. He is Canada. 

However, on the bright side, the position of being King of Canada does not depend on popularity. The position is double locked into the constitution and cannot be changed.

 

Edited April 25, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Queenmandy85]

19 minutes ago, Legato said:

I wonder how King Charles and King Trudeau will get on.

We will never know. The King is above politics and his conversations with his Prime Minister are secret.

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We will never know. The King is above politics and his conversations with his Prime Minister are secret.

How on Earth do you know the King is above political if the conversations are secret?

I'm always astounded at this ability to know what our betters are up to despite all the secrecy. It's not knowledge informing this sentiment, it's blind faith. 

[herbie]

So the polls point out most of us are well aware the Monarchy is a quaint anachronism, but until someone comes up with a better arrangement aren't willing to spend an ounce of energy let alone a nickel to DO something about it.

Especially compared to a dysfunctional Republic that would cost us far more to run every month than a Royal visit every decade or so does.

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

The news reports that a majority or large percentage of Canadians do not support Charles becoming King and do not support the monarchy.  Could this be the beginning of the end of democracy in Canada?  Perhaps a judgment for Canada's general ungodliness and rejection of God and the Bible?  Seems like a possibility.  

In a world of dictatorships Canada has been one of the few democracies.  But that could be changing as many Canadians seem dissatisfied with the present system.  We could end up as a totalitarian state with no freedoms.

The existence of the Constitutional Monarchy is one of the main things that prevents a would-be dictatorship from taking control and abolishing the Parliamentary system we have.  The fact the Armed Forces, the RCMP and others swear allegiance to the King makes it very difficult for a would-be dictator from seizing power by firing a GG or President and abolishing Parliament.  Without that safeguard, the system could be more easily overthrown and changed to a dictatorship.

Canada is a Giant Ulster

the Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada v. the Romanist Republicans of Quebec

without the British Crown, Confederation serves no purpose

at which point Canada collapses into two de facto republics

an American republic v. a Quebecois republic

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

The news reports that a majority or large percentage of Canadians do not support Charles becoming King and do not support the monarchy.  Could this be the beginning of the end of democracy in Canada?  Perhaps a judgment for Canada's general ungodliness and rejection of God and the Bible?  Seems like a possibility.  

In a world of dictatorships Canada has been one of the few democracies.  But that could be changing as many Canadians seem dissatisfied with the present system.  We could end up as a totalitarian state with no freedoms.

The existence of the Constitutional Monarchy is one of the main things that prevents a would-be dictatorship from taking control and abolishing the Parliamentary system we have.  The fact the Armed Forces, the RCMP and others swear allegiance to the King makes it very difficult for a would-be dictator from seizing power by firing a GG or President and abolishing Parliament.  Without that safeguard, the system could be more easily overthrown and changed to a dictatorship.

I also like the fact that the monarchy believes in God.  The ultimate authority in our lives must not be a politician or we’re seriously screwed.  Look at every communist dictatorship to find out.  

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is a Giant Ulster

the Loyalist Orangemen of Upper Canada v. the Romanist Republicans of Quebec

without the British Crown, Confederation serves no purpose

at which point Canada collapses into two de facto republics

an American republic v. a Quebecois republic

You’re probably right.  

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re probably right.  

the Supremacy of God & the rule of law under a Parliament of Westminster

the modern liberal British state itself

founded by William III

incorporating Canada by force of arms

Treaty of Paris 1763

the birth of the British Empire

the foundation of all Canadian constitutional law

[Queenmandy85]

50 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How on Earth do you know the King is above political if the conversations are secret?

I'm always astounded at this ability to know what our betters are up to despite all the secrecy. It's not knowledge informing this sentiment, it's blind faith. 

The moment the individual ascends to the throne, a life time of training takes effect. Part of that training is learning to remove ones self from politics. In this case, we have a head of state who has trained for office for over 60 years. No other head of state has been so well trained.

As King, two of his royal perogatives are to advise and to be advised. 

46 minutes ago, herbie said:

Monarchy is a quaint anachronism,

When, exactly did the monarchy become an anachronism? Was it when Cuthwine was crowned in 565? The institution was already over 600 years old. Or maybe it was in 1167 - Henry II, over 1000years of service, or 1952 - Queen Elizabeth II, 2000 years of service. Why was the Monarchy important in the 1920's but not now? 

A thousand years ago, the monarchy was a thousand years old. Since Edward the Confessor, we have had 43 monarchs. Stephen, Edward II, Richard the Lionheart, Richard II, James II, George IV and Edward VIII were not up to the best. Seven out of 43 is a lot better record than US presidents. Even looking a republics around the world, good presidents like Zelenskyy or FDR stand out as exceptions. In our system, it is the rule. Why is it anachronistic?

 

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The moment the individual ascends to the throne, a life time of training takes effect.

HM The King is a Commissioned officer in all three services

first HM qualified as an Infantry Officer, to include P Company Selection,  with the Parachute Regiment

then he qualified as an RAF F-4 Phantom II fighter pilot

then he qualified as a RN Officer in Command of a Minesweeper

he is literally qualified to be at the head of his troops leading them into battle, land, sea & air

Utrinque Paratus

[Queenmandy85]

The ironic fact is, our Canadian King is more popular in Canada than Prime Minister Trudeau, Mr. Poilievre, Mr. Singh, and Mr. Blanchet. He is certainly more popular than any American President in my memory. But, as I said, popularity is not a factor in monarchy. 

Edited April 25, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 But, as I said, popularity is not a factor in monarchy. 

one does not have to love the King

one does not have to love the Confederation, particularly as it is majority republican reportedly

one is only bound to defend HM rule of law & associated Parliamentary Supremacy

HM only intervening if there is a constitutional crisis as the final arbiter

that is protect all HM subjects from the rule of a mob

that mob in this case,  being the bloody Fenians set upon you from America

love him or hate him, HM King Charles III is the only standing between you and American republicanism

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I also like the fact that the monarchy believes in God.

the American republic will not invoke Him by name

the American Founders were Deists, they would only say "Creator"

only the British Crown in North America defends Christ Himself, Jesus of Nazareth

see the light over Damascus shine through the regimental window at St Andrew's

Dileas Gu Brath : Faithful unto Judgment Day

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We will never know. The King is above politics and his conversations with his Prime Minister are secret.

frankly, if we must have a Progressive monarch

I will take Charles Wales over Justin Trudeau

I would actually chose an absolute monarchy of the House of Windsor over the rule of Justin Trudeau

Charles Wales has no desire to divide & conquer Canadians, quite the opposite, I'm sure

what Soldier of the Crown would ever take an oath to kill & die for the lowly office of Prime Minister ?

no Prime Minister is fit to be Commander-in-Chief

Cuidich 'n Righ

Edited April 25, 2023 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

  The ultimate authority in our lives must not be a politician or we’re seriously screwed.  Look at every communist dictatorship to find out.  

not just politicians

you do not want to be subject to the Confederation neither, since its basically run by Quebec

nor do you want to be subject to some mob claiming to represent "the Canadian people"

the monarchy is the bulwark for freedom of association, in a very practical sense

His Majesty defends the right

the right to have autonomy from the rule of a mob of Romanist Fenians from Quebec

God save the King & HM Parliamentary Supremacy

born on the banks of the Boyne River, 1 July 1690

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

How on Earth do you know the King is above political if the conversations are secret?

I'm always astounded at this ability to know what our betters are up to despite all the secrecy. It's not knowledge informing this sentiment, it's blind faith. 

The PM is required to brief the Monarch, or the GG in our case. The Monarch is entitled to give advice but not make it public. The PM  is under no obligation to take it. I don't think a PM getting a non political point of view is a bad thing.

As far as getting rid of the Monarch is concerned, unlike other constitutional amendments, a change in his status requires unanimous consent from the provinces. I don't see that happening any time soon.

[Moonlight Graham]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada itself is a quaint anachronism

if that quaint anachronism is torn down; Canada is no more

then you are rendered into Americans by default

yeehaw

Becoming a republic makes you an American citizen, you heard it here first!

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Becoming a republic makes you an American citizen, you heard it here first!

won't be American citizens, just de facto American republicans

a people without a history are easily led astray

[herbie]

Tradition is the least logical reason to hang onto something inefficient. Pomp & circumstance is the only reason the Monarchy still exists.

Yet as recent times have proven beyond a doubt an Inbred Royal is preferable to electing a known mental defective to be tyrant for four years.

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Inbred Royal

Care to elaborate with evidence? (Not mythology)

[eyeball]

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

The PM is required to brief the Monarch, or the GG in our case. The Monarch is entitled to give advice but not make it public. The PM  is under no obligation to take it. I don't think a PM getting a non political point of view is a bad thing.

As far as getting rid of the Monarch is concerned, unlike other constitutional amendments, a change in his status requires unanimous consent from the provinces. I don't see that happening any time soon.

I don't want to get rid of the Monarchy so much as replace its symbolic role with a capacity to smack a PM upside the head on occasion when required - in private works for me if its effective.  The reason the Monarchy's popularity is falling is simply another aspect of the general loss of faith people have in government.

Rust never sleeps and in this case the mistrust caused by decades of unrelenting evasiveness of our representatives is more than anyone seems capable of keeping up with.  We need more than just faith to mitigate it.

Edited April 26, 2023 by eyeball

[BeaverFever]

On 4/25/2023 at 2:46 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Thank you Blackbird. The King does not cost Canadians anything except for security when he is touring.

Canada has a blended heritage. We have the French language, the great circle of our First Nations heritage, cultural heritage of the Ukraine, Germany, Norway, the Philippines, India and Pakistan, Syria etc. We embrace and support all of these cultural gifts that make up Canada. The only part of this cultural blend that is under threat, is our British heritage. Why is my heritage under threat when all of the others are supported.

Most of the free, democratic nations in the world are constitutional monarchies. Norway, New Zealand, the Netherlands, England, Denmark, Japan, Sweden, and more.

What is the alternative? A republic with a Politician personifying the country like Putin, Xi, Trump (and Biden) or Macron? The King of Canada is the symbol of Canada. He is Canada. 

However, on the bright side, the position of being King of Canada does not depend on popularity. The position is double locked into the constitution and cannot be changed.

 

True that it would be extended difficult constitutionally to get rid of the monarchy but other nations have done it and  so can we.  Afterwards we can call ourselves a republic or better yet make up our own name. It’s only a name. 

On the countries you mention the politician doesn’t really personify the country…at least not in the same way as a monarch.  Sure they get some extra pomp and ceremony like a song playing when they enter a room but that’s a little different.   To make it easier the country doesn’t have to be embodied by a person. It could be embodied by tue constitution itself.   That more accurately describes the US. The state governments, the federal Congress, and the judiciary are not beholden to the president the way our provinces and branches of government are beholden to the crown. In the US they are all independent from eachother but all beholden to the constitution