West Posted January 23, 2023 Author Report Posted January 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, Moonbox said: None of them are, or at least so few as to not matter. The point with diversity in ESG is to not get caught with your pants down, rather than to push the agenda. Things like the glass ceiling for females, or making sure not to enable/promote cultures of harassment or exclusion. If I tried asking a portfolio manager how much time they spend making sure that companies have gay and black board members, they'd think I had 12 heads. That's silly. They both influence each other, but culture influences marketing much, much more. That's why book covers for the same novels are different in Canada vs the US. A good marketer taps into regional culture and rides the current, rather than wasting time and energy trying to redirect it. First off, unless you go to business school, you wouldn't know that, and even if you did you wouldn't be able to speak about most of them. As a topic, ESG would not itself be a big part of the curriculum, though many of the criteria it relates to might. The stuff you get yourself upset about, however, doesn't get nearly the oxygen you suppose. The overwhelming focus of good programs is on practical matters, much of it boring and numbers based. You're probably looking at a 3:1 course load comparing stuff like accounting, economics, finance, operations etc. vs anything that would even mention the scary things that keep you up at night. 1. Gender diversity stuff is basically in every major corporation. And as I already told you, there's certainly a PUSH to invest in companies with the ESG nonsense.. 2. I don't think so.. mass media is an entire industry built on shaping perception... billions if not trillions of dollars per year is spent on telling you this product is great, you must have this product, etc etc... your product could be sh^t but you'd still pay to tell everyone how great it is.. Businesses also give a sh^t load per year in education grants etc... all to shape perception. 3. I did go to business school... apparently more recent than you have... have visited probably about four thereafter when planning on a masters program and the Sustainable Development material is plastered all over their business programs... Quote
Army Guy Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Ok, I can accept this. 2. The members are worth billions. The organization? I couldn't find anything beyond meetings and networking. 3. Yes, it's the wealthy who belong. What are they doing beyond meetings? I found 3 sources, not very reliable or recognize sources, they quote anywhere from 600 mil to 4 bil , also found othe sources that have attached a couple on monetary funds worth from 1.7 bil to 43 bil which they say has ties to the WEF, all hearsay or rumor, nothing confirmed. Found a new source for Soros wealth status, He is worth 24.3 bil and has donated a total of 8 bil, almost every of web site gives a different figure, this one comes from a WEF web site... The 20 most generous people in the world | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) Well what does all these billionaires do with all that money buy another car, house , rocket ships, it seems like in this case they are looking at a power base, one that has influence globally...in case of the WEF it is stated in there policies laid out in the below web sites...They are in the business of influencing global affairs, WHY is that should be the question...maybe they are just concerned about the planet, i doubt that very much...How much money is in Climate change... No Privacy, No Property: The World in 2030 According to the WEF | Mises Wire 8 predictions for the world in 2030 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 23, 2023 Report Posted January 23, 2023 17 hours ago, Moonbox said: Look at the first post in the thread. If that's not garbage, than nothing here is. You can debate about the WEF and whether or not it's helpful or harmful, but you grossly conflate what is actually happening there and how much influence the organization itself has. When folks start talking about the "cabal" and pointing at it as a bogeyman pulling strings everywhere, it shows a pathetically small-minded view of our world and how it actually works. They may as well just disband the WEF, pick a different location, and have leaders meet at a different location at a different time of year from now on. The conspiracy clown parade loves their three-letter acronyms and shadow-groups, so instead we could call it, "Leaders from Around the World Getting Together and Talking about Stuff Once in Awhile". He's definitely a troll, and so far hasn't done anything but make himself look like a dumbass outside of the conservative base. Amplifying the anxiety over the WEF isn't anything but that. It's this sort of rabble-rousing populism that will allow him to defy all reason and logic and somehow manage to lose to Prime Minister Unicorn Farts. Forget what is posted, don't play the player, play the ball... Well lets see how much influence the WEF has, well it has attracted most world leaders to attend, most billionaires, a lot of celebrities. ya no influence there...the fact that most WEF talking points or projects the liberals have out of thin air also picked up build back better, just transition, all the rest of them either Justin has no imagination or WEF ideas and policies are sliding across the table and being adopted as National policies... And it is a little more than the leaders from around the world getting together, i mean they have the UN or the countless other organizations to do that, since when did anyone need the WEF and the whole dog and pony show they bring to make policies here in Canada...Have you seen any of the u tubes from the WEF i posted, they are not your average "there is nothing to see here organization web sites, it reminds me of some cult web site... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Goddess Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Governments have to sell any policy at home and get elected on it. Not any more. The last 3 years should have opened your eyes to that. They only have to control the narrative, via the media, enough to fool most of the people. If someone had told you in 2018, that everyone would have to show a QR code testifying that they had obeyed a public health order to inject an experimental pharmaceutical into themselves and have that information available to countless strangers just to eat in a restaurant, would you have believed them? Would the government have been able to sell that to any us of? Did you know that before vax passports were introduced to the public they were trialed on university campuses like UCI's "Zotpass"? Students, and later the pubic, were conditioned to accept interdicts and strictures that would have sounded insane a year before. Even after nearly 100% of students and staff were vaxxed at Columbia U, new measures were introduced that prohibited students from having guests over, visiting the other residence halls, or being in a group of more than 10 people. Administrators had determined through seized contact tracing data that there were some "cases" that appeared to come from "students socializing at other residence halls, and off-campus bars, apartments and residences." Imagine the horror - college students hanging out in bars, dorms and restaurants. Journalist Michael Tracey said " the new powers conferred by this infrastructure, the ability to micromanage the private lives of young adults, track and judge the propriety of their movements, is probably creepily intoxicating on a level these administrators may not be overtly conscious of, and in any event would never admit." To wind back this biomedical security regime would take enormous psychological effort. Here's how Tracey described it: Benign "cases" ie: a positive PCR test would not have even been detected if it weren't for the compulsory and constant asymptomatic testing students were subjected to, which was a burdensome and invasive regime of frequent testing, completing daily symptom checklists, vaccine and booster verification at every doorway and monitoring of all movements. It's a self-perpetuating system, feeding on itself constantly. Students and staff at universities all over were encouraged by administrators (who have no medical knowledge) to snitch on each other for minor infractions such as not wearing your mask completely over your nose. U of Chicago students had to sign a Soviet-style affidavit pledging that they would snitch on fellow students for even minor violations. At Georgetown (98% vaxxed) and at USC Law School, students were not allowed to take their masks down during lectures, even for a sip of water. Instructors were allowed, as it was deemed necessary for them to "hydrate". Few people realize that indiscriminate asymptomatic testing violates sound principles of medical practice and creates more problems than it solves. Even before covid, did you know much about the complaints that Amazon employees have about the conditions they work under? Were you aware that Amazon developed an app that employees must use to monitor productivity and efficiency, monitoring bathroom breaks and lunch times? And other companies expressed desires to do the same. Amazon monitors its warehouse staff, leading to unionization efforts - The Washington Post There are clear signs of just how invasive, just how micro, how specified and how determined the biomedical security regime's demands will become. Imagine what will happen with climate change now that the powers that be know how much we will give up to feel "safe", which we did for a virus that has an IFR not much higher than the seasonal flu and a +99% survival rate for everyone who is not very elderly AND has multiple comorbidities. But it did have EXCELLENT marketing. Now, I know you have said obedience to authority is extremely important to you and that you believe governments and other authorities would never do anything bad to the citizenry. You do understand how childishly naive that sounds to many of the rest of us, don't you? 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: You do understand how childishly naive that sounds to many of the rest of us, don't you? Right back at you. You think that the government controls the media? The people prefer the Conservative Candidate, and were against the convoy protest and yet sympathetic to them. They're a little more nuanced than you know-it-alls give them credit for. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Goddess Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Right back at you. You think that the government controls the media? The people prefer the Conservative Candidate, and were against the convoy protest and yet sympathetic to them. They're a little more nuanced than you know-it-alls give them credit for. OK. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Moonbox Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Forget what is posted, don't play the player, play the ball... The ball was the bozo OP. ? 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Well lets see how much influence the WEF has, well it has attracted most world leaders to attend, most billionaires, a lot of celebrities. ya no influence there...the fact that most WEF talking points or projects the liberals have out of thin air also picked up build back better, just transition, all the rest of them either Justin has no imagination or WEF ideas and policies are sliding across the table and being adopted as National policies... Most of the world leaders attend because most of the world leaders attend. It's an opportunity for face time with global leaders, where they otherwise might not get it, or see new ideas etc - kind of like the old World Fairs of times past. It's really interesting that the Davos summit never garnered much interest before, but then the conspiracy circus starts pointing at it and talking about it all of the time and it goes from being a forum for leaders and to talk about things to the reincarnation of the Illuminati. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 No one is talking about the WEF being Illuminati. The issue continues to be a small group of unelected, unaccountable rich and powerful people influencing government policies and subverting democracies in nation states. The current level of union between big business and government hasn’t been seen since 20th century fascism because this is fascism. Read about ESG and stakeholder capitalism. I and others keep explaining it and you keep jumping to “conspiracy theorist!” 2 Quote
Goddess Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 This 2020 report from the WEF: The Future of Jobs Report 2020 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) ....predicts that by 2025, the next wave of automation, accelerated by the pandemic, will disrupt 85 million jobs (not their jobs) around the world. Quote "Businesses, governments and workers must work together to implement a new vision for the global workforce." This is said with an air of arrogant inevitability, like human choice plays no role. And how much input do you think "the workers" will have? Likely not much, since at least 85 million of us will be out of work. About as much "input" as the Amazon workers have, is my guess. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I and others keep explaining it and you keep jumping to “conspiracy theorist!” I consider myself a "conspiracy expert" at this point. ? 3 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: I consider myself a "conspiracy expert" at this point. ? Yeah I don’t respect people who bury their heads in the sand pretending that none of this is taking place. Our liberty and living standards are under assault. 1 Quote
Goddess Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yeah I don’t respect people who bury their heads in the sand pretending that none of this is taking place. Our liberty and living standards are under assault. The frustrating part is the complete and utter refusal to even consider it as a real possibility. It's like when they FINALLY and grudgingly admitted that natural immunity was real and was superior to jab immunity. Most people cannot comprehend the next logical steps or thinking. They're still stuck in the brainwashing of "Unvax people BAD, EVIL." That means that it's highly likely that the vast majority of the small number of unvaxxed people are already likely immune and therefore SAFER to be around than vaccinated people, who are catching reinfections repeatedly. The Alberta lab ICHOR tested thousands of unvaxxed people and found a large percentage had immunity and that some of that immunity came from past SARS/corona infections. And some people have very good immune systems, so if they do catch it, it will be like every other cold or flu. Instead, we have the braindead still insisting that perfectly healthy but unvaxxed people be separated from society, jailed and fined and demanding health purity passports, even though it's already well-known that vaxxed people catch and spread it. Mass hypnosis is real, man. Edited January 24, 2023 by Goddess 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
eyeball Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: No one is talking about the WEF being Illuminati. You talk about them as being a cabal of Nazi Commie dictators. Probably the same ones running the vaccine/COVID world domination scam. You're all completely and irretrievably bonkers and I bet we probably still haven't seen anything yet. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Zeitgeist Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, eyeball said: You talk about them as being a cabal of Nazi Commie dictators. Probably the same ones running the vaccine/COVID world domination scam. You're all completely and irretrievably bonkers and I bet we probably still haven't seen anything yet. You’re just in denial of the radical changes that actually unfolded in our lives over a few years. Yeah just don’t worry about it. Quote
Moonbox Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 16 hours ago, Goddess said: This 2020 report from the WEF: The Future of Jobs Report 2020 | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) ....predicts that by 2025, the next wave of automation, accelerated by the pandemic, will disrupt 85 million jobs (not their jobs) around the world. This is said with an air of arrogant inevitability, like human choice plays no role. And how much input do you think "the workers" will have? Likely not much, since at least 85 million of us will be out of work. About as much "input" as the Amazon workers have, is my guess. So by 2025, something like 2-3% of jobs will be obsoleted. Every single one of those people are totally doomed. It's not like we've ever had any previous technological shake-ups that disrupted jobs before. Oh wait... Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 39 minutes ago, Moonbox said: So by 2025, something like 2-3% of jobs will be obsoleted. The thing is: we DON'T have a say as to how/when/whether technology will be adopted. What tends to happen is social change catches up after the fact. We might be part way there already. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Moonbox Posted January 24, 2023 Report Posted January 24, 2023 We never did have any say. Disruptive technologies and competition for your industry are coming regardless of whether or not you want it or try to resist it. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 22 hours ago, Moonbox said: The ball was the bozo OP. ? Most of the world leaders attend because most of the world leaders attend. It's an opportunity for face time with global leaders, where they otherwise might not get it, or see new ideas etc - kind of like the old World Fairs of times past. It's really interesting that the Davos summit never garnered much interest before, but then the conspiracy circus starts pointing at it and talking about it all of the time and it goes from being a forum for leaders and to talk about things to the reincarnation of the Illuminati. Nobody is forcing you to play it.. And yet some how you do, i find the topic interesting, and the more i research it the more questions i have... you can brush it under the table if you like, but i find it odd that world leaders would attend an Organization with Cult like ideas...i find that very odd... And world leaders have access to all the same technology as we do it is as easy as making a phone call to see anyone in the globe. Why not the UN , or NATO conferences, or the dozens of other that happen every year... Davos' conferences has garner attention way before this one, and if we dismissed every topic with a conspiracy theory attached to it, well things be a little boring...wouldn't be much to discuss. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
taxme Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 4:06 AM, Michael Hardner said: I can't see the posts in the thread but it's important to point out that lobbying isn't any better when it's close to home. The right had more money than the Left and uses it for influence. Is that bad then? This lobby group Empower Texas for example openly publishes a scorecard on who to vote for, DIRECTLY funds and picks candidates, and is funded by the State through pension plans itself. It's controlled by three founding businessmen. And you never hear about them from the conspiracy sheep because they are sucking up propaganda from those funding WEP conspiracy stories. At least WEP is in the open. These people were fined for not registering as lobbyists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empower_Texans So not sure what people are saying about WEF, but... This. I don't think that you have a real clue as to what the WEF globalists are really trying to do in the world. Do you think that we should all start eating bugs to save the planet or get rid of our gas guzzling vehicles, or be happy to own nothing. The WEF globalists are trying to implement a communist like Chinese society on the rest of the world. China and the globalist get along just fine. Your dear WEF fascist leader in Ottawa is on their side and is helping the WEF along in their trying to turn Canada into a globalist communist like social credit cashless digital currency system where the government can actually then freeze ones bank account or credit cardslike we say happening during the truckers convoy event. The WEF is not an open club. It's closed to you and me. If any of we the peasants were to be allowed to have access to all that goes on at their Davos meetings, then I would say that, yah, they are open. A fine for them is peanuts. They have billions in their bank to pay those fines. Just like big pharma has paid hundreds of billions in fines over the years, they still have not gone bankrupt just yet. Lots of people are saying that the WEF is nothing more than just another globalist corrupt conspiracy group of thugs and bullies that is still trying to create chaos and havoc in the world. Believe it or not. ? Quote
taxme Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 4:57 PM, West said: Well the group of psychopaths are meeting again to discuss how they alone are going to save humanity. Freeland will be speaking. What crazy nonsense will these loons be imposing next? Whatever it will be it won't be good for you or me or Canada. Freeland and Trudeau should be arrested and charged and jailed for committing crimes against Canadians and humanity and getting Canada involved with the WEF without we the people's consent in the first place. The WEF does not have any concern or interest for we the people and our well being. It's more about the money and more power for the WEF globalist elite. They want control over our lives and eat bugs and give up meat. Over my dead body will I ever stop eating meat. Let the globalists eat the bugs and own nothing and save the planet and keep all the meat for we the people. A nice cheeseburger sure sounds like something that I still prefer to eat and dam the planet. I do not ever want to have to eat a bug cheeseburger made up of locus and worms or whatever is out there in bug land. Let WEF Klaus the Schwabster and the rest of his buddy globalist ilk have and eat all the bugs that they want to eat. Although, I think that the globalists would prefer that we the people eat the bugs while they still eat meat. Up yours, Klaus. ? Quote
Moonbox Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Nobody is forcing you to play it.. And yet some how you do, i find the topic interesting, and the more i research it the more questions i have... you can brush it under the table if you like, but i find it odd that world leaders would attend an Organization with Cult like ideas...i find that very odd... The cult-like ideas...such as? When you're reading and looking for things to confirm what you already feel and believe, it's very easy to find lots of information on it. What I find really odd is how a forum (which means "place to talk") for world leaders that's been attended by world leaders for decades has now been conjured into a nefarious CABAL/CULT simply by virtue of angry repetition. Here's a great quote: “Thank you Professor Schwab for that kind introduction, I also want to thank you particularly for the invitation to speak here that you extended to me earlier this year. But more than that, Professor, you have made the World Economic Forum an indispensable part of the global conversation among leaders in politics, business, and civil society. And in the face of continuing global economic instability, the opportunity this gathering provides is now more valuable than ever. So I know everyone here joins me in thanking you for, in service of the common good, your vision and your leadership." -Stephen Harper, Davos 2012 I don't think it's any surprise that you weren't fussing and whining about this 10 years ago, nor do I find it surprising that our mouthpiece opposition leader had nothing to say about it back then when he was part of the Harper government. The only reason he has anything to say about it now is because the conspiracy circus has been talking about it non-stop for the last 2+ years and he can harness that befuddled rage by echoing it back to you and pointing it at someone. Edited January 25, 2023 by Moonbox 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: The only reason he has anything to say about it now is because the conspiracy circus has been talking about it non-stop for the last 2+ years and he can harness that befuddled rage by echoing it back to you and pointing it at someone. Poilievre himself was apparently on their website, and he hasn't said why. https://www.beyondthenarrative.ca/canadian-federal-politician-members-of-the-world-economic-forum/ 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Moonbox said: The cult-like ideas...such as? When you're reading and looking for things to confirm what you already feel and believe, it's very easy to find lots of information on it. What I find really odd is how a forum (which means "place to talk") for world leaders that's been attended by world leaders for decades has now been conjured into a nefarious CABAL/CULT simply by virtue of angry repetition. Here's a great quote: “Thank you Professor Schwab for that kind introduction, I also want to thank you particularly for the invitation to speak here that you extended to me earlier this year. But more than that, Professor, you have made the World Economic Forum an indispensable part of the global conversation among leaders in politics, business, and civil society. And in the face of continuing global economic instability, the opportunity this gathering provides is now more valuable than ever. So I know everyone here joins me in thanking you for, in service of the common good, your vision and your leadership." -Stephen Harper, Davos 2012 I don't think it's any surprise that you weren't fussing and whining about this 10 years ago, nor do I find it surprising that our mouthpiece opposition leader had nothing to say about it back then when he was part of the Harper government. The only reason he has anything to say about it now is because the conspiracy circus has been talking about it non-stop for the last 2+ years and he can harness that befuddled rage by echoing it back to you and pointing it at someone. In 2012...were western nations actively squelching the fossil fuel industry? No.' The general public does not react to national leaders stroking each others' egos. The general public reacts when these leaders begin imposing suffering on us. Here endith the lesson in extremely basic psychology. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted January 25, 2023 Report Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: In 2012...were western nations actively squelching the fossil fuel industry? No.' Have you heard of the Kyoto protocol, signed in 1997? Are we forgetting Stephane Dion's "Green Shift" proposals, all the way back to 2008? So...yes? 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Here endith the lesson in extremely basic psychology. Well done. You've proven the Dunning-Kruger effect, where you bluster while demonstrating astounding ignorance of recent history. Here endith the lessons in not just psychology, but also history and basic reality. Edited January 25, 2023 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted January 25, 2023 Author Report Posted January 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Poilievre himself was apparently on their website, and he hasn't said why. https://www.beyondthenarrative.ca/canadian-federal-politician-members-of-the-world-economic-forum/ Why alot of folks distrust Pierre. The Conservatives also made it law that Canada had to report their progress on SDGs to the UN in 2015 Quote
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